- “Fat may have a beneficial role in post-workout protein metabolism (talk about destroying dogma LOL).”
Wow! You don’t say? Now who would have ever thought that?
The “latest science” changes once again…LOL I love it 
Deshawn, what is your pre workout nutrition like?
Salmon oil… depending on your body weight I’d use 7-10 grams/day, as long as it has the standard 180/120 EPA/DHA ratio. More is better up to a point, but then the law of diminishing returns will likely kick in (gut feeling) as well as “the unknown”.
BCAA’s consumed during exercise will hang around in the blood long enough that you won’t need them after. This is particularly true if a moderate speed protein, such as whey isolate, is consumed after a workout.
At least 10g should be consumed during the workout if you’re fasted before, but considering the proven benefits of pre workout nutrition, this may be irrelevant.
Gatorade during a workout is great if you can afford it.
Cheers
dave, your words to me last week…
"wufwugy, you’re not alone in feeling headaches from tyrosine. Ironically, this amino acid is also often used to treat migraines. As for the cause of the headaches, it’s far too easy to blame it on excess catecholamine synthesis, and I don’t buy that theory. I can’t find any other cause than that you’re susceptible. Hopefully we’ll know soon and can destroy the catecholamine theory. I’ve never heard of carnitine or choline having this effect before.
As with the others, I have heard of no negative effects from Power Drive, but it may be that the other ingredients admonish ay potential headaches that would otherwise occur. Don’t forget that Biotest has a return policy too!
Keep us updated on your decision and experience!
Cheers"
well, i got some Power Drive, first time got a headache, drank more water with it every other time since then and haven’t gotten a headache.
cheers
HF, unfortunately this is made out to be far sexier than it actually is.
Basically it’s an antioxidant that may help glucose transport.
The evidence on which 2 of the ingredients are based, occurred in pig intestine, rather than actual muscle or fat tissue.
We really don’t have much evidence that ALA is all that great, so to start trying to make improvements on it is really jumping the gun.
Thanks for the question!
DB besides ala being touted as a glucose transport isn’t it a good antioxidant or what?
BTW I have been on a hypocaloric diet being 3 weeks from a show and the early morning pre workout nutrition is definitely keeping my energy levels and strength levels steady. Do you have any input on precontest nutrtion? To drink shakes or not precontest? Is cottage cheese okay precontest? What is your view on taking carbs out completely or do you think you can keep them in postworkout during precontest? When should I be taking BCAA while calories are low? If you could suggest anything on these topics I would really appreciate it.
fedaykin, I’m a big fan of your statement that you won’t have to worry about weight, because this makes it all about mass and strength.
I’m a big fan of creatine, and lipoic acid can enhance its uptake.
Spike will jack you up before workouts and during the meet.
Pre/post workout supplementation is a given, and amino acids or whey hydrolysate are ideal. Whey isolate is more of a moderate speed protein, and isn’t as efective.
Nightime protein is important, specifically casein (micellar is great).
Avoid antioxidant pre/post workout.
That’s it for now, I’ll hit you back as I think of additions.
Cheers
Mr. Barr what is the best way to determine maintenance calories. I’ve heard of different formulas and other methods but I don’t know how sound they are.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The “latest science” changes once again…LOL I love it [/quote]
LOL No kidding… this is why I’m so against dogma. Of course we don’t know how it affects glycogen, but it’s always important to keep an open mind.
[quote]wufwugy wrote:
well, i got some Power Drive, first time got a headache, drank more water with it every other time since then and haven’t gotten a headache.
cheers[/quote]
That’s great to hear! We can all benefit from your experience.
Cheers
Why avoid anti-oxidant pre and post workout? I just heard it was a good time to take postworkout. Also what is your view on liver pills for someone who is natural?
[quote]David Barr wrote:
fedaykin, I’m a big fan of your statement that you won’t have to worry about weight, because this makes it all about mass and strength.
I’m a big fan of creatine, and lipoic acid can enhance its uptake.
Spike will jack you up before workouts and during the meet.
Pre/post workout supplementation is a given, and amino acids or whey hydrolysate are ideal. Whey isolate is more of a moderate speed protein, and isn’t as efective.
Nightime protein is important, specifically casein (micellar is great).
Avoid antioxidant pre/post workout.
That’s it for now, I’ll hit you back as I think of additions.
Cheers[/quote]
What about methoxyisovlavone and/or ecdysterone? Any thoughts on these?
Dave,
Regarding Fedaykin’s question. I think JB or CW has suggested Power Drive post workout to help stimulate neural recovery. What is your take on this?
I know that Spike and Powerdrive should not be taken together, but I think if I remember correctly, if taken 3-4 hours apart, it should be fine. Any comments?
Ryan
So, Dave, when counting calories, should I initially restrict and then modify based upon my results?
Wow Mike, those are good questions. I’ll break them down for the ease of reading.
ALA is certainly a great antioxidant. In fact, that may partially explain its effect on glucose transport.
In terms of precontest nutrition, most people I speak to already have the basics down. They generally contact me when there’s a problem, then I fix it. It seems like you have everything down so far (Kudos for that).
Cottage cheese and PWO nutrition are generally okay for pre comp. Days before you may want to restrict that though.
I’d never kill carbs completely, but some may respond better to this than others. Do you have any experience with very low carb?
BCAA’s during low cals are great idea (one of the few times I like their use).
Hope this helps!
philtwine, although I have yet to find an ideal calculator, generally the more in depth they are, the more applicable. I don’t want to start a myth that this always the case, it seems to apply here.
Cheers
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Mr. Barr what is the best way to determine maintenance calories. I’ve heard of different formulas and other methods but I don’t know how sound they are.[/quote]
It’s commonly thought that post workout is ideal for antioxidant use. Unfortunately, the only data we have shows that this will enhance damage and delay recovery. While I believe this to be antioxidant-specific, I don’t want to take any chances.
[quote]mike hanley wrote:
Why avoid anti-oxidant pre and post workout? I just heard it was a good time to take postworkout. Also what is your view on liver pills for someone who is natural?[/quote]
DB how many times a day with BCAA’s and when?
So liquid PWO like Surge is okay for precontest?
My calories are at 2000 right now with no more than 150 grams of carbs. I am wondering if I should go lower than that for the next few weeks. I am training 4xweek with weights and 3xcardio low intensity for 45-60min in the AM with just 10g of whey and some caffeine in me. What do you think should I go lower and up the fat or stay?
What about the avoid anti-oxident pre/post workout? I heard post was agood time for it. I would love to know the answer to that one . Thanks for all your help.
[quote]fedaykin wrote:
What about methoxyisovlavone and/or ecdysterone? Any thoughts on these?[/quote]
I’ve seen absolutely no real data supporting ecdysterone, and I’m convinced that its original popularity stemmed from the name sounding like “steroid”.
Methoxy-7 would be a great addition and Carbolin 19 is worth a try too!
Good call!
Since you answered the anti ox already what about liver pills for someone who is natural.
Doc Ryan, Power Drive for neural recovery is a great idea, but has a very specific use. For low rep overtraning, or strength training/Olympic lifting, PD is best applied. Higher rep (over)training is best recovered by muscular, rather than neural, nutrients (IMO).
I’ve never taken Power Drive and Spike together, but taking Power Drive before Spike would give you a smaller window to wait.
[quote]Dr. Ryan wrote:
Dave,
Regarding Fedaykin’s question. I think JB or CW has suggested Power Drive post workout to help stimulate neural recovery. What is your take on this?
I know that Spike and Powerdrive should not be taken together, but I think if I remember correctly, if taken 3-4 hours apart, it should be fine. Any comments?
Ryan[/quote]