[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Bram Wiley wrote:
That said I’m looking forward to the next Pride PPV – Bushido. Lots of good fights on the card and I’ll be getting that for sure.
I agree. Kang, Gono, Misaki, Filho. We’re talking 4 of the top 6 or 7 185 pounders in the world going to war on the same night. That card is stacked. And I get to see someone booted in the head unlike the gay Nevada rules.[/quote]
The Nevada rules do indeed inhibit a fight.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Dave Meltzer reported in his newsletter the official payroll for Pride real deal reported to the nevade state athletic commission.
Total Attendence - 11,727, Paid Attendence 10,527
Fedor Emelianenko $1,070,000
Mauricio Rua $130,000
Dan Henderson $125,000
Josh Barnett $125,000
Kazuhiro Nakamura $105,000
Phil Baroni $97,000
Mark Coleman $82,000
Vitor Belfort $75,000
Kevin Randleman $60,000
Robbie Lawler $50,000
Eric Esch $50,000
Pawel Nastula $40,000
Joey Villasenor $35,000
Yosuke Nishijima $25,000
Sean O’Haire $15,000
Travis Galbraith $10,000
Total reported payout: $2,094,000
Now, let’s look at the last two UFC’s:
UFC 63 Fighter Salaries
Event took place on September 23, 2006 and aired on pay-per-view
Title Match & Main Event Fighters
-Matt Hughes: $130,000
-BJ Penn: $50,000
-Jens Pulver: $30,000
-Rashad Evans: $24,000
-Mike Swick: $14,000
-Melvin Guillard: $10,000
-Jason Lambert: $9,000
-David Loiseau: $9,000
-Joe Lauzon: $6,000
-Gabe Ruediger: $3,000
-Tyson Griffin: $14,000
-Jorge Gurgel: $10,000
-Roger Huerta: $6,000
-Danny Abaddi: $5,000
-Eddie Sanchez: $4,000
-Jason Dent: $3,000
-Mario Neto: $3,000
-David Lee: $2,000
Disclosed Fighter Payroll for UFC 63: $332,000
UFC 64 Fighter Salaries
Event took place on October 14, 2006 and aired on pay-per-view
Title Match & Main Event Fighters
-Anderson Silva: $50,000
-Sean Sherk: $22,000
-Rich Franklin: $21,000
-Kenny Florian: $8,000
-Cheick Kongo: $20,000
-Jon Fitch: $20,000
-Spencer Fisher: $20,000
-Kuniyoshi Hironaka: $6,000
-Carmelo Marrero: $6,000
-Dan Lauzon: $3,000
-Yushin Okami: $12,000
-Clay Guida: $6,000
-Kalib Starnes: $5,000
-Kurt Pellegrino: $4,000
-Junior Assuncao: $3,000
-Justin James: $3,000
Disclosed Fighter Payroll for UFC 64: $209,000
Fedor alone made almost twice the total payout of the last two UFC PPV’s. Hmmm…where would I rather fight?[/quote]
Are these numbers right? For some reason it bothers me that that’s all the UFC guys get paid. No wonder all the talent goes to Pride. $21,000 for the champion of a title fight, are you kidding me!
Good post EmperialChina.
While watching it with some other people, most of them were making fun of a lot of the theatrics. Hell, I didn’t really like the techno stuff either but I try to at least understand it. We Americans can be pretty damn arrogant.
And by the way, I saw someone on another board compare watching Fedor to Jordan in his prime. I have to agree.
I stand by my criticism of the announcing and commentating. I did not cirticize the stage productions (lighting, video, stage setup), in fact I know they are some of the best in the world and far ahead of all other fighting sports.
The woman announcer and Japanese songs are a question if taste, if they want to continue using them on US shows I don’t think it will make much difference business-wise. After all, I can always turn down the volume instead of listening.
Thanks for clearing up why Crocop and Wandy didn’t fight. I am surprised though that Nogueira wasn’t ready to fighta month after the OWGP finals, that guy is tougher than a $2 steak.
Maybe as suggested its because he’s a sub guy and not a KO guy.
PRIDE is definitely tops in talent, UFC is way behind. Even in the US, UFC is probably behind WFA in terms of talent and IFL is looking good, especially with Renzo Gracie and Carlos Newton.
That wasn’t techno
[quote]carter12 wrote:
Good post EmperialChina.
While watching it with some other people, most of them were making fun of a lot of the theatrics. Hell, I didn’t really like the techno stuff either but I try to at least understand it. We Americans can be pretty damn arrogant.
And by the way, I saw someone on another board compare watching Fedor to Jordan in his prime. I have to agree. [/quote]
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
I think the thing that hurt the PRIDE show was the intermission. It was too long for the PPV audience. I’m sure for the people there in attendance it didn’t seem as bad b/c they had a chance to go to the consessions, bathrooms and buy some merchandise. But, an hour break in the middle of a show hurts a television audience.[/quote]
Maybe I passed out or something, but wasn’t the intermission 20 minutes? Besides there was minimal time between fights unlike the UFC PPVs. The PRIDE fights started almost immediately after one another.
I also liked that they showed all the fights and hope they continue to do so in the future PPVs. The UFC only shows the undercards if there is “time” in their schedule.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Dave Meltzer reported in his newsletter the official payroll for Pride real deal reported to the nevade state athletic commission.
Total Attendence - 11,727, Paid Attendence 10,527
Fedor Emelianenko $1,070,000
Mauricio Rua $130,000
Dan Henderson $125,000
Josh Barnett $125,000
Kazuhiro Nakamura $105,000
Phil Baroni $97,000
Mark Coleman $82,000
Vitor Belfort $75,000
Kevin Randleman $60,000
Robbie Lawler $50,000
Eric Esch $50,000
Pawel Nastula $40,000
Joey Villasenor $35,000
Yosuke Nishijima $25,000
Sean O’Haire $15,000
Travis Galbraith $10,000
Total reported payout: $2,094,000
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Holy balls, if my writing teacher were here she would kick my ass. It appears these numbers were a hoax that someone slipped onto Dave Meltzer’s site. I should have checked NSAC official page, but I saw this quoted all over MMA sites so I wasn’t the only one. Everyone laugh at me for being a dumbass.
[quote]Thad wrote:
Now, let’s look at the last two UFC’s:
UFC 63 Fighter Salaries
Event took place on September 23, 2006 and aired on pay-per-view
Title Match & Main Event Fighters
-Matt Hughes: $130,000
-BJ Penn: $50,000
-Jens Pulver: $30,000
-Rashad Evans: $24,000
-Mike Swick: $14,000
-Melvin Guillard: $10,000
-Jason Lambert: $9,000
-David Loiseau: $9,000
-Joe Lauzon: $6,000
-Gabe Ruediger: $3,000
-Tyson Griffin: $14,000
-Jorge Gurgel: $10,000
-Roger Huerta: $6,000
-Danny Abaddi: $5,000
-Eddie Sanchez: $4,000
-Jason Dent: $3,000
-Mario Neto: $3,000
-David Lee: $2,000
Disclosed Fighter Payroll for UFC 63: $332,000
UFC 64 Fighter Salaries
Event took place on October 14, 2006 and aired on pay-per-view
Title Match & Main Event Fighters
-Anderson Silva: $50,000
-Sean Sherk: $22,000
-Rich Franklin: $21,000
-Kenny Florian: $8,000
-Cheick Kongo: $20,000
-Jon Fitch: $20,000
-Spencer Fisher: $20,000
-Kuniyoshi Hironaka: $6,000
-Carmelo Marrero: $6,000
-Dan Lauzon: $3,000
-Yushin Okami: $12,000
-Clay Guida: $6,000
-Kalib Starnes: $5,000
-Kurt Pellegrino: $4,000
-Junior Assuncao: $3,000
-Justin James: $3,000
Disclosed Fighter Payroll for UFC 64: $209,000
Are these numbers right? For some reason it bothers me that that’s all the UFC guys get paid. No wonder all the talent goes to Pride. $21,000 for the champion of a title fight, are you kidding me!
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Yes, the UFC numbers are correct, I pulled them from MMA Weekly archives which quoted them from the NSAC site.
I was actually shocked at those Pride numbers which is why I posted them in a hurry. I expected Pride to do what K-1 does: Pay their fighters about 10% of their contract here, the rest in Japan to avoid the 30% Nevada tax on fighter income. I guess we’ll see if they took this route when the real numbers come out.
[quote]carter12 wrote:
And by the way, I saw someone on another board compare watching Fedor to Jordan in his prime. I have to agree. [/quote]
Yes, I agree. I get goosebumps when he walks to the ring to the creepy ass choir music. It’s like church. The closest fighter I can compare him to is Ali or Joe Lewis, but Fedor doesn’t have the social importance of those two so that is a very unfair comparison. In the ring though, he’s the best ever.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I would love for PRIDE to please give a chance to younger, hungrier fighters, especially heavyweights, and get rid of Hammer House and Belfort. If their contracts are guaranteed, then put them on as curtain-jerkers and let guys who are not washed up prove themsleves as worthy fighters. Its not fair to the next generation of fighters. That’s what UFC has done, and its paying off handsomely in their lighter weight classes.
Best match: Barnett-Nastula
Worst match: Randleman-Rua
Thumbs in the middle, leaning down
Very weird show, I didn’t really like it. Here’s why from a production standpoint: Frank Trigg is mealy-mouthed and currently displays the talent level of a late-night public access show host.
I can’t understand him, sometimes I can’t hear him because he doesn’t know how to project his voice, and he fails to realize his job is not to drone on and on, but to provide technical analysis, of which he provides almost nothing.
-Who was the 3rd commentator and why is he on the show? He brought nothing to the show.
-The announcer is awful, she is one of the worst things I have ever heard. Her voice is unbearable. Whenever I heard her voice on the shows I just figured it was a Japanese thing and she was Japanese. I didn’t think they’d use her or the other announcer.
-The intro music sucked. Those horrid japanese pop intro songs have to go, they make the show come across as cheesy and strange.
From a planning standpoint, why are PRIDE’s biggest stars not on their US debut show? Crocop, Silva, Yoshida, Nogueira, why were none of them fighting on a show vital for the future of the company? If Barnett could fight a month after the finals of the Hvwt tourney, Crocop and/or Noguiera should be able to as well.
Re: the fights, I found O’Haires performance suspicious. Lazy high kick, lazy kick to the body, doesn’t cover his chin, then he shoves himself into Butterbean’s belly and stays there seemingly waiting for the close range shots which are Butterbean’s strength and more or less the only offense Butterbean has to offer against a much much larger opponent.
Also suspicious: Vitor throws maybe 2 punches, then offers little resistance for 3 entire rounds. Once in a while he threw a love tap from the bottom. Randleman’s perfromances are always suspicious. He also didn’t put up much of a fight, and how can he get caught with a basic heel hook and knee bar, moves that really only work late into fights. It seemed like he just decided to take the punishment instead of resist, Did he throw the fight like O’Haire did or has he not learned simple leg-lock escapes in 10 years of fighting?
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Meltzner said Pride is on another planet compared to UFC and WWE in terms of production and presentation. I tend to agree; Pride shows have much more of a “big deal” feel compared to anything UFC does.
The Pride numbers that have Fedor making a million are false. They were supposedlky reported my Dave Meltzer was has mentioned that he didn’t report them and has no idea where they came from.
The real numbers are out though…
Robbie Lawler $10,000
Joey Villasenor $3,000
Kazuhiro Nakamura $10,000
Travis Galbraith $2,000
Phil Baroni $15,000
Yosuke Nishijima $15,000
Dan Henderson $50,000
Vitor Belfort $30,000
Eric Esch $30,000
Sean O’Haire $15,000
Josh Barnett $60,000
Pawel Nastula $20,000
Mauricio Rua $25,000
Kevin Randleman $40,000
Fedor Emelianenko $100,000
Mark Coleman $70,000
source: Keith Kizer
I know they look low.
Pride baiscally did, for want of a better term, a K-1.
An article on K-1…
Fri. Aug. 13, 2004
K-1 Salaries raise questions
by Ivan Trembow from mmaweekly.com
Before we get into the analysis and commentary on these numbers and an interview with Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Marc Ratner, let’s take a look at the numbers themselves. These are the dollar figures that K-1 submitted to the Nevada State Athletic Commission for the K-1 USA event that took place on August 7, 2004.
K-1: Battle the Bellagio III Fighter Salaries
-Marvin Eastman: $10,000
-Sergei Gur: $9,100
-Chad “Akebono” Rowan: $7,800
-Gary Goodridge: $7,800
-Rony Sefo: $7,800
-Brecht Walis: $7,800
-Jorgen Kruth: $7,800
-Jan Nortje: $7,800
-Ray Sefo: $6,550
-Alexander Ustinov: $6,500
-Carter Williams: $6,000
-Rick Roufus: $6,000
-Dewey Cooper: $6,000
-Mighty Mo Siliga: $5,550
-Tommy Glanville: $5,000
-Scott Lighty: $2,000
-Frank Cota, Jr: $2,000
-Rob McCullough: $2,000
-Anthony Brown: $1,800
-Brian Warren: $1,500
-Raul Romero: $1,500
-James Martinez: $1,000
-Alex Jucan: $1,000
Total Fighter Payroll: $120,300
Comparative Notes on Total Fighter Payroll:
UFC 46: $540,500 (average per fighter of $33,781)
UFC 47: $333,000 (average per fighter of $20,813)
UFC 48: $586,000 (average per fighter of $36,625)
K-1: $120,300 (average per fighter of $5,230)
Comparative Notes on Number of Fighters Making $10,000 or More MMAWeekly
UFC 46: 8 out of 16 fighters made $10,000 or more
UFC 47: 6 out of 16 fighters made $10,000 or more
UFC 48: 10 out of 16 fighters made $10,000 or more
K-1: 1 out of 16 fighters made $10,000 or more MMAWeekly
Commentary and Analysis:
-You may be asking yourself how it’s possible that not a single one of the fighters made more than $10,000 on a card promoted by a company with deep pockets like K-1. While there’s no doubt that K-1 doesn’t spend as much money on its American shows as it does on its Japanese shows, the company as a whole has the deepest pockets of any MMA/kickboxing organization in the world. K-1 as a company has more money to throw around and is more notorious for throwing such money around than its Japanese competitor Dream Stage Entertainment (which runs Pride), and is in a different league financially than the UFC.
-While exact figures are not known, by all accounts K-1’s top fighters make six-figures per fight in Japan or at least high five-figures. Even if one makes the assumption that American fighters make a lot less money on K-1 USA shows since the shows don’t generate a large amount of revenue, it would be naive to think that K-1’s top fighters in the Japanese market are not well taken care of, especially considering the bidding wars that frequently take place between K-1 and Pride.
-K-1 is not legally required to disclose to the Nevada State Athletic Commission the complete financial structure of any given fighter’s contract, and we’ll get into why that’s the case later in this article. It would certainly seem that K-1 is using its legal right to not disclose the complete salaries, because it would be hard to look at the salaries listed above and believe that K-1 is paying 20+ fighters a grand total of $120,300. That would be a very difficult to believe assertion in general, but let’s look at three cases that would be particularly hard to believe.
Ray Sefo has been a huge star in K-1 for years, and this year has been groomed to become one of K-1’s very top stars by being fed a burnt-out Bob Sapp in a match in Japan, which Sefo predictably won by TKO. He is listed as making $6,550 on this show. Okay, maybe Sefo just loves to fight and is willing to travel to America and do it for next-to-nothing. That argument can be made, but it’s a lot harder to explain the cases of Gary Goodridge and Chad “Akebono” Rowan.
Gary Goodridge is one of many fighters who have been snatched away from the competing company in the ongoing war between K-1 and Pride in Japan. Goodridge had a contract with Pride that paid him high five-figures or low six-figures, and he was signed away by K-1 with the promise of more money. He is listed as making $7,800 on this show.
Chad “Akebono” Rowan, despite never having won a K-1 fight, is one of K-1’s mega-stars in Japan, having drawn several of K-1’s top ratings of all time. He makes well into the six-figure range per fight, and yet he is listed as making $7,800 on this show. To put that number in perspective, eleven of the sixteen fighters who were on the UFC 48 card made more than that… and the UFC has a small fraction of the money to work with that K-1 has.
Digging deeper only reveals more questionable numbers. Let’s take a look very specifically at some of K-1’s top stars in Japan and how much money they supposedly made for various fights in America over the course of the past three years.
-Perennial Grand Prix players Peter Aerts and Stefan Leko supposedly made $750 each for a K-1 USA show on August 11, 2001.
-Multi-time World Grand Prix Champion Ernesto Hoost was listed as making $100 at K-1 USA’s show on August 17, 2002. On the same show, Stefan Leko and Mike Bernardo were also listed as making $100, while Gary Goodridge supposedly made $1,100. Additionally, all eight fighters in that night’s tournament were listed as making between $100 and $500.
-Former World Grand Prix Champion Mark Hunt supposedly made $50 for his K-1 USA fight on May 2, 2003. Gary Goodridge and Stefan Leko also allegedly made $50 that night.
-Bob Sapp was listed as making $5,000 for his April 30, 2004 fight against Tommy Glanville in Las Vegas. When you consider that Sapp was one of the K-1’s biggest stars of all time, and very likely K-1’s highest-paid fighter of all time, it seems ridiculous to suggest that he would be fighting for $5,000 under any circumstances.
-If you think Bob Sapp fighting for $5,000 is questionable, consider this: For his K-1 fight against Kimo on August 15, 2003, Sapp supposedly made $50. One of the biggest stars in K-1’s history… signing a bout agreement that pays him fifty bucks.
-How would it be legal for K-1 to not report the full amount that the fighters are making, you ask? Well, as a foreign company with foreign contracts that are not bound by US law, K-1 is fully entitled to have “promotional contracts” wherein a particular fighter might make X amount of dollars per year and X amount of dollars per fight on top of that.
These promotional contracts are not public record in Japan and are completely outside the jurisdiction of the Nevada State Athletic Commission and all other branches of US government. Therefore, there is no way to know how much K-1 fighters are making on their promotional contracts, or if K-1 is reporting these figures to the appropriate branches of government in Japan. In no way does MMAWeekly have evidence of K-1 doing anything illegal in this situation; all we seek to do is report on the numbers that K-1 has filed with the athletic commission over the years and then raise the obvious questions that those numbers bring up. K-1 has not responded to MMAWeekly’s requests for comment as of press time.
If one assumes that K-1 has promotional contracts with fighters in Japan that pay the fighters a base salary and an additional amount for any given fight, it would still be hard to believe that Akebono’s amount for any single fight would be $7,800; or that Peter Aerts’ amount for any single fight would be $750, or that Ernesto Hoost’s amount for any single fight would be $100, or that Bob Sapp’s amount for any single fight would be $50.
After taking all of the above into consideration, one also has to consider that K-1’s former CEO Kazuyoshi Ishii was convicted of massive tax fraud in Japan earlier this year and was sentenced to 22 months of prison time. According to court records and numerous Japanese newspapers, the court found that Ishii and at least two other K-1 employees concealed millions of dollars of income over several years and thus avoided paying millions of dollars in taxes. While K-1’s business practices in Japan do not necessarily have any bearing on any of the company’s US operations, Ishii’s conviction means at the very least that one cannot simply give K-1 the benefit of the doubt in any legal matter without looking at the matter from every possible angle.
-For more details on the legalities of this situation, and the specific role that the Nevada State Athletic Commission is able to play in the process of K-1 fighters getting paid when they fight in America, we turn now to the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Marc Ratner. After an initial exchange of e-mails in which I explained what my concerns were, I spoke to Mr. Ratner via telephone and here is how the conversation went.
Ivan Trembow: I appreciate you taking the time to comment on this…
Marc Ratner: …Well, what you’re asking me, we have these contracts and they say they’re fighting for a thousand dollars or whatever that number might be. And there are other contracts, promotional contracts in foreign countries, which is legal. Our fidiciary duty at the athletic commission is to make sure that the fighter gets paid what’s on the contract that they signed in Nevada, the bout agreement.
Trembow: So provided that K-1 reports the salaries in Japan or whatever country they’re paying any given fighter, it would be perfectly legal for any given fighter to be paid additional money in Japan, or with money coming from Japan?
Ratner: Yes, it would be legal because a fighter might have a promotional deal that pays them a certain amount per year, and then whenever they fight they get an additional amount. But the purse that they get in the state of Nevada is what I go on. The contract they sign with the Bellagio… my legal duty, my fidiciary duty is to make sure that they have a check for that amount.
Trembow: So anything else in addition to that would be beyond the jurisdiction of the Nevada State Athletic Commission?
Ratner: Yes, that’s correct.
Trembow: And it would be beyond the jurisdiction of the Attorney General’s Office or anything else in American government as well?
Ratner: Right, that’s correct, because what we’re going by is the bout agreements. And I mean, certain fighters in boxing, they have promotionals where they get a certain amount, and then they make a certain amount for fighting, and they might get paid an amount by a promoter in England or wherever it may be. All we want to make sure is that we have the money for what they get paid as far as the contracts that they sign, the bout agreements signed in the state of Nevada. The tax liability is upon the fighter when they get paid and has nothing to do with the state. All the fighter will get here from the Bellagio is a 1099 [tax form that they can fill out] for whatever amount they earn here in Nevada.
Trembow: One big factor that raised a red flag in my mind in the first place is the fact that the former CEO of K-1 in Japan was convicted and sentenced to jail time for tax evasion…
Ratner: …Right, but I understand that he may have been here, so he’s not gone yet.
Trembow: Yeah, he had a suspended sentence as of a few months ago. I’m not sure if it’s still suspended or if…
Ratner: …That’s K-1 Japan, and this is an important legal distinction. K-1 Japan is completely separate from K-1 America even though these guys, they’re completely separate corporation-wise, I’ll say that. And when K-1 fights here in America, the sole promoter is the Bellagio (Hotel & Casino), which has a very important gaming license. And they are aware of Mister Ishii’s problems in Japan, and that’s why they have an arms-length agreement to do business with K-1 America, because they couldn’t do business with a felon in a foreign country. The gaming company wouldn’t be able to. So we as the athletic commission, through our lawyer who is also with the gaming commission, made sure that the Bellagio/Mirage/MGM corporate lawyer was aware of everything that’s going on in Japan with Mister Ishii, and they are.
Part Two of MMAWeekly’s interview with Marc Ratner on a variety of topics (some related to K-1, some not) will be published soon
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Also with regards the UFC’s salaries.
The main event guys in the UFC are making good money. Meltzer did report recently that on the smaller PPV shows the main eventers get $1 each from every PPV buy. On the big shows the main eventers get $2.50 each from PPV buy.
Also a direct quote from Meltzer posting at the wrestlingclassins.com message board.
"UFC main eventers make huge money. Rich made $280,000 for his match against Loiseau. He made $1 per buy against Silva as a bonus plus his $21,000. Figure that’s another $200,000 to $300,000.
Pride mid-card and undercard guys make far more than UFC.
Nobody is Pride makes close to what Ortiz makes because of % of PPV."
[quote]Mr90210 wrote:
The Pride numbers that have Fedor making a million are false. They were supposedlky reported my Dave Meltzer was has mentioned that he didn’t report them and has no idea where they came from.
The real numbers are out though…
Robbie Lawler $10,000
Joey Villasenor $3,000
Kazuhiro Nakamura $10,000
Travis Galbraith $2,000
Phil Baroni $15,000
Yosuke Nishijima $15,000
Dan Henderson $50,000
Vitor Belfort $30,000
Eric Esch $30,000
Sean O’Haire $15,000
Josh Barnett $60,000
Pawel Nastula $20,000
Mauricio Rua $25,000
Kevin Randleman $40,000
Fedor Emelianenko $100,000
Mark Coleman $70,000
source: Keith Kizer
I know they look low.
Pride baiscally did, for want of a better term, a K-1.
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Thanks, that makes more sense now.
Pride and K1 are both notorious for inflating purses. So this is no big thing to me.
I enjoy UFC’s because of their faster pace, better announcing for the American audience ect. If I am not mistaken they don’t allow as much playtime as Pride before calling for a restart.
Dana White has taken the UFC from bankrupcy to national exposure. Their PPV’s are setting records. Shows like “Ultimate Fighter” bring in more viewers. What do I get from Pride and K1 except a 30 minute ppv pre show?
[quote]MrCritical wrote:
If I am not mistaken they don’t allow as much playtime as Pride before calling for a restart.
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No, quite the opposite. Pride is notorious for fast stand ups and giving out yellow cards if a fighter stalls for more than a moment on the ground, which means a 10 percent reduction in their purse. Of course, in Nevada they were not allowed to use these, not that it mattered because everything went at a good clip.
Yea Mr. Critical, I’m not sure if you haven’t watched a recent Pride fight, or if you are confused.
[quote]MrCritical wrote:
What do I get from Pride and K1 except a 30 minute ppv pre show?[/quote]
The best fighters in the world…I thought that was pretty apparent.
[quote]MrCritical wrote:
Pride and K1 are both notorious for inflating purses. So this is no big thing to me.
I enjoy UFC’s because of their faster pace, better announcing for the American audience ect. If I am not mistaken they don’t allow as much playtime as Pride before calling for a restart.
Dana White has taken the UFC from bankrupcy to national exposure. Their PPV’s are setting records. Shows like “Ultimate Fighter” bring in more viewers. What do I get from Pride and K1 except a 30 minute ppv pre show?[/quote]
You really should stop now before you embarass yourself more.
Also, why are you swinging from Dana White’s nut sack? I hope you’re on the UFC’s payroll. If not, then you are by far the biggest douchebag I’ve ever seen.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Bram Wiley wrote:
That said I’m looking forward to the next Pride PPV – Bushido. Lots of good fights on the card and I’ll be getting that for sure.
I agree. Kang, Gono, Misaki, Filho. We’re talking 4 of the top 6 or 7 185 pounders in the world going to war on the same night. That card is stacked. And I get to see someone booted in the head unlike the gay Nevada rules.[/quote]
I think Gono’s going to be crushed.
Mitsuhiro Ishida and Shinya Aoki are two of my favorite fighters and will be fighting also.
Shinya Aoki highlight (first 1:45 is ring entrance/intro):
I love the UFC and I love Pride, but one thing that was painful to watch was the way Pride hyped up Coleman’s love for his kids then let them run up on stage after the fight. It was downright uncomfortable and embarrassing for me to watch. Then Coleman introduced his kids to Fedor right before softly punching Fedor on the chin just to finally land a punch against the champ. To give Fedor credit, he handled all these antics very well.