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[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Did you read what he wrote?
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who fucking cares you handle ALL DISSENTERS the same
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No, actually I hold a special place for the truly dumb.[/quote]
Narcism at it’s best [/quote]

You mean “Narcissism” go have another joint Pittski, it’s helped you so much.
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I think Pitbull has hit the nail on its head. You don’t like being disagreed with, but you clearly take great joy in your own opinions. And when you can’t argue a point eloquently or otherwise you just deride and dismiss your opponents. That’s cool. Hope it has worked out for you all this time. Actually, why am I surprised? You support Mitt Romney.
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Gee now why would you agree with Pittbull?

Hey I know!

It’s because I proved your wrong and there was no way to talk yourself out of it.

Would you like me to post your racist statements involving your lack of faith with the typical democratic voter?

Ha, You won’t be saying that again will you Skippy?

You’re pretty typical of the Obama entitlement voter.

Run along I’m done with you now.[/quote]

No, you’re not done with me. You accused me of racism by taking something I said and twisted it around a meaning that suited you. This discussion wasn’t actually about race per se except in how Republican driven legislature would affect certain minorities. But you wouldn’t stop with the Ad Hominem, non fact, libelous name calling and you suddenly turned this thread into “Pigeonkak is a racist”. I’m going to assume you don’t care how angry that makes me. But I realise there is absolutely nothing I can do about you being ignorant of your histrionic, all-knowing, disingenuous attitude towards things you disagree with.

I also sense that you called me a racist because inside you’re a bigot. The Merriam-Webster you so devoutly quote to burn Pitbull reinforces my belief in this:

Bigot: “a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”

And if you are a bigot, but persist in declaring other people racist, then doesn’t that make you a:

Your arguement is flawed, misdirecting and intentionally dishonest. I don’t need to prove my own innocence. You need to get better at reading other people’s opinions without flipping out and spitting venom.
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You accuse me of twisting what you said, but all I did was post what you said. It can only be interpreted one way…and YOU KNOW IT!

There are no amount of dictionary quotes that can get you out of what you wrote.

And here we go again…just for you junior.

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
But my immediate and main objection to the ID rule is not that it makes it absolutely impossible for these people to vote, but rather that it seems a loaded piece of legislature aimed at making it that much harder for Democrats to vote. Assuming you trust the figures presenting all these Hispanics, minorities and other groups as largely Democrat. I do believe they tend to Obama…[/quote]

There is no way around it is there? You are accusing minorities who vote democrat of being too stupid, or not ambitious enough to obtain a voter ID.

Now, instead of jotting off another of your long winded diatribes which have no effect on getting you off the hook you should man up and admit that you’re wrong and should have chosen your words more wisely. But wait, you can’t really do that can you? Or, simple admit that you’re a racist and think that minorities (who vote democrat) are just not as bright as the rest of us.

Those words of yours are all I need to slap you down repeatedly. Don’t get me wrong I’m enjoying the heck out of doing it…so thanks and let’s keep this going.

Want to try to tell us all what you meant when you insulted minorities?

If there is another way to take such strong language I’d like to hear it. So far you’ve been unable to explain it away by saying that I’m twisting your words as I post them clearly. So tell us all what you meant when you implied that minorities are not smart enough to obtain a voter ID.

Love to hear a really good explanation.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
except in how Republican driven legislature would affect certain minorities.
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Didn’t you earlier say that it is unfair for everyone? (Therefore making it fair but we’ll ignore that part I guess.)

How does an ID law affect minorities any more than majorities?[/quote]

According to what he’s written (see my previous post) he thinks that minorities who vote democrat are either too dumb or not ambitious enough to obtain a voter ID.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

According to what he’s written (see my previous post) he thinks that minorities who vote democrat are either too dumb or not ambitious enough to obtain a voter ID.[/quote]

If you change “minorities” to “poor people,” (I know they overlap, but poverty is the salient factor here), I would say that that is about right in a substantial number of cases.

That isn’t meant to be a good argument against voter ID laws. The retort–that their lack of concern/ambition is not the authorities’ problem–is a legitimate one.

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Pigeon,

During my first year of college, I was 17 years old.

I also came to the US legally.

Both are reasons why specific ID’s work, and others do not.

Never in my life, would I have viewed being asked to prove I am legally allowed to vote as an inconvenience, or an act of suppression. You need to do ALOT more than that to suppress me, know what I mean ?

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Must the poor present anything to collect tax payer funded assistance programs?

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

According to what he’s written (see my previous post) he thinks that minorities who vote democrat are either too dumb or not ambitious enough to obtain a voter ID.[/quote]

If you change “minorities” to “poor people,” (I know they overlap, but poverty is the salient factor here), I would say that that is about right in a substantial number of cases.

That isn’t meant to be a good argument against voter ID laws. The retort–that their lack of concern/ambition is not the authorities’ problem–is a legitimate one.

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I don’t feel that those who are poor are any less intelligent. Perhaps they’ve been groomed to be poor by our nanny state?

Nevertheless, he stated that they ARE minorities, they ARE democrats and he implied that they are too stupid to obtain a voter ID.

Those remarks are indefensible.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

According to what he’s written (see my previous post) he thinks that minorities who vote democrat are either too dumb or not ambitious enough to obtain a voter ID.[/quote]

If you change “minorities” to “poor people,” (I know they overlap, but poverty is the salient factor here), I would say that that is about right in a substantial number of cases.

That isn’t meant to be a good argument against voter ID laws. The retort–that their lack of concern/ambition is not the authorities’ problem–is a legitimate one.

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I don’t feel that those who are poor are any less intelligent. Perhaps they’ve been groomed to be poor by our nanny state?

Nevertheless, he stated that they ARE minorities, they ARE democrats and he implied that they are too stupid to obtain a voter ID.

Those remarks are indefensible.[/quote]

I seriously don’t know what the hell you’re reading ZEB. Or smoking for that matter.

Seriously now, what word implies ‘stupid’? What word implies ‘dumb’? What word implies ‘lazy’? Please, clarify for me which dark recess of your arse you pulled that misinterpretation.

And maybe I can ask a favour of some of the other posters here? Please point out to me what you could misconstrue as racism in the comment ZEB continues to highlight. I really just don’t understand why ZEB is unwilling to address the topic and is pushing the ‘Pigeonkak is a racist’ diatribe in my face. I am able to take criticism, but it needs to be warranted, constructive and not a personal hate attack against my character. I expect that ofg others and I try return the attitude.

From what I understand in other forums I’ve read, ZEB kinda treats people who disagree with him like this all the time. I’m new to these forums, but I’ve been reading T-Nation articles for years. This really is a poor introduction to the quality of forum I’m likely to experience here. And the thing is, he even behaves like this in the COMBAT forum, over topics like MMA. Which totally bums me out because I’m a martial artist myself and want to spend time using those forums. But ZEB seems to lurk under all the bridges around here.

So, to recap: ZEB, ease up on the baseless attacks. Yes, baseless. And TNation… your thoughts on my comment.

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[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

I seriously don’t know what the hell you’re reading ZEB. Or smoking for that matter.[/quote]

Reading your indefensible post. Here it is again for anyone who would like to see it:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
But my immediate and main objection to the ID rule is not that it makes it absolutely impossible for these people to vote, but rather that it seems a loaded piece of legislature aimed at making it that much harder for Democrats to vote. Assuming you trust the figures presenting all these Hispanics, minorities and other groups as largely Democrat. I do believe they tend to Obama…[/quote]

Maybe you didn’t want to sound like a bigot…I get it. But you are what you are. When you say that minorities who tend to vote democrat are somehow unable to obtain an ID card you are making a claim that they are either too stupid or not ambitious enough, that pretty much speaks for itself. All anyone has to do is read your above statement.

This is warranted and constructive. The next time you address minorities you better not assume that they are too stupid to obtain a voter ID. Keep your racism to yourself!

That’s a lie, I only treat turds like that. That would be you and one other poster in particular. And with that said I’ve never called anyone a racist before. There is a reason for that, no one I’ve ever debated has accused minorities of not beig smart enough or ambitious enough to obtain a voter ID.

Then you should know that we DO NOT accept racism as a means to win an argument.

Then leave…there is no one that I know of on either side that is partial to racists in the forum.

I’ve posted in the combat forums about three times in the past 6 months. Did I offend your racist tendencies by rooting for a fighter who was of a certain minority? You are a disgusting pathetic individual and it has been a pleasure exposing you.

Then I guess you better leave…RACIST!

[quote]So, to recap: ZEB, ease up on the baseless attacks. Yes, baseless. And TNation… your thoughts on my comment.
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So to recap you said the following racist remarks which have no place on this forum:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

But my immediate and main objection to the ID rule is not that it makes it absolutely impossible for these people to vote, but rather that it seems a loaded piece of legislature aimed at making it that much harder for Democrats to vote. Assuming you trust the figures presenting all these Hispanics, minorities and other groups as largely Democrat. I do believe they tend to Obama…[/quote]

In addition to the above charge (which I have proven) you are also a little whiny cry baby…“sniff, sniff…Can I aska favor of everyone…I want to spend more time on T Nation, sniff but someone tell Zeb not to be mean to me…help me someone.”

Here’s the deal…

I will drop it here if you like, people make mistakes and you made a big one. We can move on from here. But in the future choose your words more wisely.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

I seriously don’t know what the hell you’re reading ZEB. Or smoking for that matter.[/quote]

Reading your indefensible post. Here it is again for anyone who would like to see it:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
But my immediate and main objection to the ID rule is not that it makes it absolutely impossible for these people to vote, but rather that it seems a loaded piece of legislature aimed at making it that much harder for Democrats to vote. Assuming you trust the figures presenting all these Hispanics, minorities and other groups as largely Democrat. I do believe they tend to Obama…[/quote]

Maybe you didn’t want to sound like a bigot…I get it. But you are what you are. When you say that minorities who tend to vote democrat are somehow unable to obtain an ID card you are making a claim that they are either too stupid or not ambitious enough, that pretty much speaks for itself. All anyone has to do is read your above statement.

This is warranted and constructive. The next time you address minorities you better not assume that they are too stupid to obtain a voter ID. Keep your racism to yourself!

That’s a lie, I only treat turds like that. That would be you and one other poster in particular. And with that said I’ve never called anyone a racist before. There is a reason for that, no one I’ve ever debated has accused minorities of not beig smart enough or ambitious enough to obtain a voter ID.

Then you should know that we DO NOT accept racism as a means to win an argument.

Then leave…there is no one that I know of on either side that is partial to racists in the forum.

I’ve posted in the combat forums about three times in the past 6 months. Did I offend your racist tendencies by rooting for a fighter who was of a certain minority? You are a disgusting pathetic individual and it has been a pleasure exposing you.

Then I guess you better leave…RACIST!

[quote]So, to recap: ZEB, ease up on the baseless attacks. Yes, baseless. And TNation… your thoughts on my comment.
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So to recap you said the following racist remarks which have no place on this forum:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

But my immediate and main objection to the ID rule is not that it makes it absolutely impossible for these people to vote, but rather that it seems a loaded piece of legislature aimed at making it that much harder for Democrats to vote. Assuming you trust the figures presenting all these Hispanics, minorities and other groups as largely Democrat. I do believe they tend to Obama…[/quote]

In addition to the above charge (which I have proven) you are also a little whiny cry baby…“sniff, sniff…Can I aska favor of everyone…I want to spend more time on T Nation, sniff but someone tell Zeb not to be mean to me…help me someone.”

Here’s the deal…

I will drop it here if you like, people make mistakes and you made a big one. We can move on from here. But in the future choose your words more wisely.
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You throw down pretty damn hard on the internet ZEB. What exactly do you want, apart from me admitting to something that I’m not?

I think you need to pursue more masculine ventures.

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[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

You throw down pretty damn hard on the internet ZEB. What exactly do you want, apart from me admitting to something that I’m not?

I think you need to pursue more masculine ventures.[/quote]

You are just not quite smart enough to let this drop are you? You want me to stop posting on the topic yet at the same time you keep responding.

So not only are you a racist, you’re a dumb racist as well (as if there are any other kind).

The next time you claim that minorities are not smart enough make sure you have a different audience. As long as I post here and read such things I assure you that I will respond.

You’ve happened to take the wrong side on a topic that is very near and dear to me. Since I don’t owe you an explanation I will leave it at that.

Now wonder on down the road kicking that pebble in front of you. If you continue to drag this on (and a little while ago you were begging me not to) I will post your racist words once again.

As I’ve already stated in my previous post, people make mistakes and you made a big one. Don’t repeat it and there will be no more problem between us.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
You Obama supporters are in good company cough.

If I thought it would make a difference I would celebrate this endorsement. But, not enough people will know about it…unless Romney mentions it in the debate. But he has so much else to mention that the MSLM has not mentioned that I doubt he’ll have time.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

You throw down pretty damn hard on the internet ZEB. What exactly do you want, apart from me admitting to something that I’m not?

I think you need to pursue more masculine ventures.[/quote]

You are just not quite smart enough to let this drop are you? You want me to stop posting on the topic yet at the same time you keep responding.

So not only are you a racist, you’re a dumb racist as well (as if there are any other kind).

The next time you claim that minorities are not smart enough make sure you have a different audience. As long as I post here and read such things I assure you that I will respond.

You’ve happened to take the wrong side on a topic that is very near and dear to me. Since I don’t owe you an explanation I will leave it at that.

Now wonder on down the road kicking that pebble in front of you. If you continue to drag this on (and a little while ago you were begging me not to) I will post your racist words once again.

As I’ve already stated in my previous post, people make mistakes and you made a big one. Don’t repeat it and there will be no more problem between us.
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In case anyone about to read this doesn’t care, the following is very much tl;dr.

Zeb. You misunderstand, which appears to be a chronic disorder you suffer. I want you to retract your accusation that I am a racist. You don’t know one tiny little thing about me. Not one tiny little thing of any importance, and yet you have the audacity to make such a heavy slur. You are also yet to actually point out the exact words in my own statement, that are synonyms for “dumb”, “stupid”, “lazy” or “lacking ambition”.

You’re an internet bully who uses abuse and Ad Hominem slurs to ‘win’ arguements against people that disagree with you. And you’ve been accused of this before. I can’t even enjoy reading through a forum thread without stumbling over your obscene treatment of other users. Your words are that friggin pink stuff the Cat in the Hat can’t get out of the carpet. So if you think I’m going to just idly sit here and allow you to taint my good name with one of the worst things I’ve ever been called, then you’re wrong.

I didn’t ask TNation users to back me up. I asked them to check out my comment, and let me know if they agree with you. I don’t like being misinterpreted and I especially want to get my message across without offending anyone.

I also asked you to stop being the Troll that you are. But that was clearly wishful thinking. What are you like IRL? Do you go around abusing people like this in Starbucks? Does this verbal attack on me give you pleasure? Pleasure, despite the premise of your arguement being a dishonest representation of non facts?

I have another question: if racism, or the fight against it is such a “near and dear” thing to you (for whatever reason), why are you striking out at me for something that is not racism at all. I mean, from my side, it looks like you’re using ‘racism’ as a pretext for attacking me for disagreeing with you. Pretty much your Modus Operandi I guess. Zeb: “He disagreed! I’ll make shit up and discredit him, without actually addressing the original issue!”

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
You Obama supporters are in good company cough.

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[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:

Zeb. You misunderstand, which appears to be a chronic disorder you suffer.[/quote]

Not true junior I understand only to well that your following statement is racist.

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
But my immediate and main objection to the ID rule is not that it makes it absolutely impossible for these people to vote, but rather that it seems a loaded piece of legislature aimed at making it that much harder for Democrats to vote. Assuming you trust the figures presenting all these Hispanics, minorities and other groups as largely Democrat. I do believe they tend to Obama…[/quote]

And no matter how many times you post desparately trying to change what you wrote, you cannot do it. You clearly implied that minorites are not smart or ambitious enough to obtain an ID.

And that is a fact!

Okay, you are a racist. Oops!

I guess instead of retracting it I stated it once again. And do you know why I did that Piggy? I did it because you are a RACIST Bastard.

Wrong, I know a few things about you.

  1. You use racist statements on the Internet.

  2. You don’t like being called out on your racist statements.

  3. You are overly sensitive, which is highly entertaining.

I thought that I did that 5 posts back, but let me do it again for you.

[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
But my immediate and main objection to the ID rule is not that it makes it absolutely impossible for these people to vote, but rather that it seems a loaded piece of legislature aimed at making it that much harder for Democrats to vote. Assuming you trust the figures presenting all these Hispanics, minorities and other groups as largely Democrat. I do believe they tend to Obama…[/quote]

Here it comes…

Even the way you put it makes me sick the term “all these” hispanics and other “groups” such as blacks pig?

Sort of like saying “you people” referring to a specific minority group.

RAICST.

I would disagree with that characterization. But if you like it you can go with it. Either way, I’d rather be a bully than a racist, which by the way is what you are!

And they have to stumble over your racist remarks. How do you think our hispanic readers feel? You singled them out as being too stupid to obtain an ID card.

And your words are racist. I’d rather have that pink stuff that is in the story book you read each night.

I have noticed through the years that racists hate to be called out on their belittling comments. You are no different in that regard. And after all it is your Internet name. Maybe you should change your name and get back on the forum as someone else? But I warn you if you post racist comments you’re going to be back in the toilet!

That is asking for help. You wanted other racists to come to your aid. But I warn you to my knowledge there are no other racists on T Nation…you are the only one.

Then my first and best suggestion would be to drop the racist remarks. That way no one will think that you’re a racist.

I am like this in my real life as well. If I was involved in a conversation in Starbucks and the person talking to me had racist comments I would call him out on it. I don’t care if it’s over the Internet or in my real life. In fact, just the other day my wife and I were in line at the neighborhood drug store. There were three (20 something) guys standing behind us, one of them just couldn’t utter a word without saying “fuck” after it. My wife kept shaking her head and rolling her eyes. So I turned around and basically told the guy to respect the fact that my wife is in ear shot and she doesn’t enjoy hearing his gutter mouth. Am I a tough guy? No, I just take a stand when I think it’s right to do so. Just as I did against your racist remarks.

You are either really dumb, and I doubt that because I have seen dumb on this site and you are not it, or you are simply aghast because you were caught.

Either way, when someone implies that minorities are too dumb to obtain an ID that is racism Junior! Maybe you didn’t realize it when you said it, but that does not give you the right to say it now does it?

Basically you are ticked off because you got caught using a racist statement.

I promise you one thing, you can post about how innocent you are from now until Christmas and it will not change a single thing. Your words have been noted several times and cannot be changed. But if you man up and admit that you used racist language I might let you slide this one time.

But knowing that you are a ballless little boy I don’t expect you to man up any time soon…Keep squirming however it is highly entertaining.

Thanks

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
You Obama supporters are in good company cough.

f[/quote]

I bet this makes the top news story on MSNBC…Bwahahahaha

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There is nothing right about your stand ZEB. When I said “these Hispanics” I was referring to the very specific number of 10 000 000 that would be affected by the new ID laws. I posted the links referencing the number. I was referring to a very specific number of hispanic voters, and other minority groups that may be affected by the laws. You obviously didn’t read my post, or the links.

You obviously harbour a deep, deep seated, very repressed issue that you aren’t resolving. You’re going at me, over really ONE word. THESE as in, THEM, as in THAT specific group of disaffected voters, as in THIS Hispanic guy over HERE, and THAT Hispanic lady over THERE.

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[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
There is nothing right about your stand ZEB. When I said “these Hispanics” I was referring to the very specific number of 10 000 000 that would be affected by the new ID laws. I posted the links referencing the number. I was referring to a very specific number of hispanic voters, and other minority groups that may be affected by the laws. You obviously didn’t read my post, or the links.[/quote]

And why would “these people” be effected by voter ID laws Pig? Explain how they are not as smart as other people which is what you implied.

Let me explain what “repression” is. Repression means that one is repelling one’s own desires and impulses. I’m not doing that. What I’m doing is exposing you for your racist remarks. In other words, I’m not repressing anything.

In the future before you try to psychoanalyze people over the Internet I suggest that you think twice. You don’t have the experience, the education or the skills. So you better use another form of defense for your racist remarks.

[quote]You’re going at me, over really ONE word. THESE as in, THEM, as in THAT specific group of disaffected voters, as in THIS Hispanic guy over HERE, and THAT Hispanic lady over THERE.
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Not true, I am going after you because you implied that minorities were either not smart or ambitious enough to obtain an ID card. And to date you have not explained in any detail your racist remarks.

Why don’t you tell us all why you would say what you said unless you’re assuming that they are not smart or ambitious enough.

You can’t.

But you can whine like a baby when called out on it.

LOL

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[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
There is nothing right about your stand ZEB. When I said “these Hispanics” I was referring to the very specific number of 10 000 000 that would be affected by the new ID laws. I posted the links referencing the number. I was referring to a very specific number of hispanic voters, and other minority groups that may be affected by the laws. You obviously didn’t read my post, or the links.

You obviously harbour a deep, deep seated, very repressed issue that you aren’t resolving. You’re going at me, over really ONE word. THESE as in, THEM, as in THAT specific group of disaffected voters, as in THIS Hispanic guy over HERE, and THAT Hispanic lady over THERE.

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It’s the internet, if you don’t like arguing over some dumb shit then don’t, but after a post reply or two you should realize the trap you are in. It’s slightly entertaining but you are arguing with people who would tell the sun it’s racist for trying to make everybody black. I pretty much say this to say you are wasting your time.

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