EDIT: it doesn’t matter.
Romney is obviously out of his league in foreign policy. He is gonna get pwned next week.
CNN is carrying serious obama water right now, lol.
Obama deffo stopped the bleeding tonight, I would imagine he gets a couple points back.
Romney is fucked if he doesn’t surge in Ohio.
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You cannot cut tax rates to reduce both the debt and the deficit. This is called what George H. Bush says as voodoo economics. The laffer curve does not work in practice and this is why after Reagan’s second term ended Bush 1 (a republican) raised taxes to close the deficit Reagen left. Bush 1 was a good economist 
Cutting taxes does not increase tax revenues.
Oil pipeline in Canada is a Canadian sovereignty issue not an American one and the Canadian federal government is doing environmental assessments because the company involved has had multiple spills. (international law permits sovereignty rights)
Romney and Obamacare are healthcare insurance laws to not be disallowed coverage and does not alter your medical service provider (your choice of doctor).
Government can create jobs through investments in human capital (education subsidies) GI Bill under Roosevelt.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
CBS Poll among “uncommitted” voters has it as 37% Obama won, 30% Romney won, 33% tie. [/quote]
I didn’t get to watch much of it, so I’ll hold off on an overall comment until I can. However, just checked up on that poll. Interesting thing is they (the poll respondents) favored Romney on the economy 65-35. Hmm, I’m not sure the answer to ‘who won’ reflects who is more likely to win their vote after the debate. Wondering if they gave it Obama on style, but if Romney actually wins them over on the state of the economy.
Like I predicted, more or less a draw but a more energetic Obama means a “win” for him in light of how bad last time was. In all honesty, I was far less impressed with how Romney presented himself this time than last time-it did look like he lost some wind in his sails. I would say the battle of the half truths (oil confrontation and Libya) came out on Obama’s side.
Surprised Romney didn’t do as well on Libya as I would have expected-people seemed to like Obama taking blame which may have blunted some momentum there when compounded with his emotional tone on the issue. Not saying it’s right necessarily but it seems to be the case. He needs to make this a winning point for the next debate, which may be tough. Sitting with others, the general consensus was they were ill at ease with this issue being discussed. More attacks based on it may damage likability, especially if it is not a strong suit for him.
All told, I think this blunts some momentum and brings the race back to neck and neck-closer than it was before the first debate, so net Romney benefit from the debates still however.
I would say that Candy Crowley and Barack Obama finished slightly ahead of Mitt Romney.
As I predicted Candy Crowley helped Obama. On at least four occasions she either interrupted, or cut off Mitt Romney. At the same time allowing Obama to speak a full 4:00 longer during the debate. And giving Obama the last word on the majority of topics regardless of who was asked the question.
Over all I think Romney did exceptionally well considering the odds.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
CBS Poll among “uncommitted” voters has it as 37% Obama won, 30% Romney won, 33% tie. [/quote]
I didn’t get to watch much of it, so I’ll hold off on an overall comment until I can. However, just checked up on that poll. Interesting thing is they (the poll respondents) favored Romney on the economy 65-35. Hmm, I’m not sure the answer to ‘who won’ reflects who is more likely to win their vote after the debate. Wondering if they gave it Obama on style, but if Romney actually wins them over on the state of the economy.[/quote]
I agree, not sure how you measure this, or what was being measured overall.
Obama presented himself well, he had a heartbeat this time. Both guys were aggressive, I think both bases will be fired up, I don’t know if either side won independents more than the other.
Obama might gain a little, who knows.
The goal of any president should be to get America producing American made goods again. American manufacturing, engineering, and intelligence are the key. Less focus on software for social media and more focus on products to advance the human race (i.e. technology)
Too many engineers, physicists and scientists end up on wall street when they could become entrepeneurs.
I am curious to see what Libs are saying about this, and if you turned on MS-NBC, you would think Obama just walked on water.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I would say that Candy Crowley and Barack Obama finished slightly ahead of Mitt Romney.
As I predicted Candy Crowley helped Obama. On at least four occasions she either interrupted, or cut off Mitt Romney. At the same time allowing Obama to speak a full 4:00 longer during the debate. And giving Obama the last word on the majority of topics regardless of who was asked the question.
Over all I think Romney did exceptionally well considering the odds.
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Lol ZEB your phrasing is so lovely. When will poor Mitt Romney ever get a chance…
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
Cutting taxes does not increase tax revenues.[/quote]
Please show this with numbers.
How does education “subsidies” create jobs?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
EDIT: it doesn’t matter.
Romney is obviously out of his league in foreign policy. He is gonna get pwned next week.
CNN is carrying serious obama water right now, lol.
Obama deffo stopped the bleeding tonight, I would imagine he gets a couple points back.
Romney is fucked if he doesn’t surge in Ohio.
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Right on Ohio, right on CNN, but wrong on Obama gaining a couple of points from this. There is another debate on Monday night. The middle debate will mean far less than the original impression from the first one and of course the final one.
Bob Schieffer, yet another democrat will be the moderator of the third debate. However, I don’t think he’ll be as obviously bias as Candy (I love Obama) Crowley was.
The strongest states in the US have the most small businesses and the most diversity in their economy. Single industry economies cannot weather market downturns (Detroit). There is no correlation between large corporate tax cuts and economic growth and this has been stated over and over. To grow and economy you need a fertile ground for entrepeneurs and small businesses who want to bring new products, methods and innovative ideas to a market place.
Obama: It is offensive to suggest we would play politics over the attack.
Romney: you had people for two weeks saying it was because of the video on youtube and not a terror attack.
Obama: I said the next day it was an act of terror.
What Romney should have said… If you knew the next day it was an act of terror, why did you have your staff continue for 2 weeks to say it was because of the youtube video. That Mr. President, is the definition of politicizing.
And now, it needs to be addressed, Obama is caught in a lie here, and it’s a pretty serious one in my opinion, he is doing exactly what he is accusing Romney of and telling him it is offensive.
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@ Counting Beans==> I cannot do a graph on tnation for you. Just use google scholar or read an economics text or google anything
CNN poll: 46 Obama 39 Romeny, 33/33/33 split with registered.
Uh, I’m seeing on twitter that Crowley said about Romney regarding Libya “He was right in the main, but he just chose the wrong word.”
Education subsidies create jobs by allowing the cost of education to go down and become more affordable. The more affordable a product becomes the more people’s willingness to pay increases opening the range of new people into the education market place. With more people in the education market place more economic opportunities occur because those who are educated have higher absorptive capacity (generally) for new ideas. Education generally leads to information exchange or positive spillovers which creates new methods or ways of doing things. WIth new ways of doing things people may pursue economic ventures. ====> harvard economist Edward Glaeser (Republican)
Democrats:
FYI - the above clip has black guys in it, that’s ok in the politics forum right?