If @hankthetank89 is reading, I will get a lot of push back from him. I liked Winstrol as a contest AAS. But I didn’t do heavy doses. Winstrol V, I only used 50mg/wk and Winstrol orals, I only used 20mg/day. So I never experienced any side effects. So I am not much help here.
I tagged hank so that he can give you his opinion, which I respect.
Do you prefer injectable or oral win?
Definitely the oral. We thought Winstrol made your muscles fuller than Anavar, while both helped keep them dry.
For size there arent many options - test, eq, deca, tren.
Pick one, two or three of these and go.
Test id say - 1g as base. Then if u take EQ, 700-1000, depending on how your e2 reacts on it.
1g of test, 1g of deca. 1g of test, 700 tren E. 1g of test, 500eq, 500 tren. U get the idea.
As far as picking EQ because its “milder” - it is also milder gains, so longer time on it, so at the end its the same.
What i dont suggest is doing these stupid doses of like 500mgs of anything.
If you have the genetics to aim to do a show, you will gain like 80% of your lifetime size in 1-2 years in the offseason.
Look at the top bodybuilders now, and look at em 2 years back. Most of their size was there already. Look at Cbum - he has improved, but its not like he has doubled the size. Most of his size was there 3 years ago.
Most bodybuilders dont get noticably bigger year after year. They start with most of the size and then they work for details, so going into a show on 500mgs of anything just means it will take 10 years until you reach the size thats any good.
Pro bodybuilders make very small improvements year after year. The size is there when they start, so the approach of spending 10 years on what needs to be done in 2, is setting yourself up for a fail.
If you cant gain serious size on a 2 year blast, you have nothing to do in bodybuilding, besides just “enjoying the journey for yourself” and maybe competing in a show in someones backyard, and being the champion of people who suck at this.
20yrs is not young. McCarver turned pro at 21. Sure he is not the best example but if he would have lived, he would have been very good.
Basically, by the time you are 22-23, you should have ALL THE SIZE you can hold, and then work on it so by the age of 27 you look like something.
If one of these stages dont go well, you should just drop the idea.
As far as people crying about high dosages…well, if something doesnt work out, you can ALWAYS lower the dose.
What you cant, is turn back time, and up it 10 years back, haha.
Go 200% for one year. If you dont have what it takes at least you can move on knowing you did it all.
If I was to run either 1g of test and/or deca/eq how long should this cycle be? 12 weeks?
No. It would take at least 5-6 weeks for deca and eq to even build up in the system, leaving you 6 weeks to make gains, and then you do a stupid ass PCT which takes away half of the gains at the best case scenario.
If you want to bodybuild, you blast around 9-10 months, come off for 2 months(on TRT), check your shit and repeat the process.
Nowdays you can follow every pro-BB, they video-log everything. Have you ever seen anyone shink down and smooth out every 12 weeks for months? Nope… That must tell you whats going on.
p.s - i am talking about gaining serious size and actually doing shows… no one who does that, spends half the year off building nothing and losing muscle.
If we were to talk about you just gaining 10lbs of some muscle over the next 2 years, my cycle recomendations and lengths, of course, would be completely different.
I believe this is correct for the guys that “look” like they are on steroids (jacked and big physique, BBer or not). I maybe have a high standard for what looking like being on steroids is though haha.
There are outliers that get away with less total and for less time, but the chances that a person is one of those outliers is slim.
I’ll use myself as an example. If I was going for pro classic physique (not that I have my pro card) at my height (a bit above 5’10"), I’d be allowed to weigh 215 lbs for a show. To be competitive, that is a weight at around 5% BF. I couldn’t get there on low doses, or 12 week on 12 week cruise, unless the cruise was also like 500 mg/wk. It would have to be at least 8-9 months on multiple compounds totaling over a gram and a half.
A guy that has the genetics to make the open at the Mr. O, would have a better physique natty or with a beginner cycle than I would blasting for almost a year though.
I had never heard this during my competitive years. My experience is that it might take 5-6 weeks to build up in your system, I don’t know, but it doesn’t take more than two weeks to get out of your system. Within 2 weeks of ending a cycle, I began to notice significant loss of strength.
I do strongly agree that you should be “on cycle” more than “off cycle.”
What method did you try to recover?
I don’t know … this seems wildly irresponsible. You’ve never competed and you’re already asking about boat loads of anabolics.
I don’t feel you or anybody at your age has the capacity to make a decision that affects the rest of your life. I would try to fix myself first and complete in natural tested shows.
I know it’s irresponsible, doctor tried helping me with several aspects, diet, sleep, vitamins and the best it was since then was the low 300s