Pregnant or is she just freaking out?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

Also, if I am correct with my assessment and at least the part I stated as facts can easily be verified, you can of course choose to be a happy go lucky, trusting, I hesitate to type “well adjusted” person.

Because you would not be, because you would not be adjusted to landscape that surrounds you.

You would be a lamb, waiting to be slaughtered. [/quote]

Slaughtered by what? Just seems to me that having such a tainted and pesimistic veiw on reality and interpersonal relationships is a lonely and uneventful way to experience life. Instead of seeking out good understanding that you may experience bad, why avoid all to escape the bad? Sounds more like passing time until death than living.

You constantly act that your reality and perception is the one true reality, I hate to tell you that it isnt. It is just your reality because you chose it to be so and because you are the one who is in fact experiencing it. [/quote]

That’s very well put. Life isn’t risk free. It just requires some sense to avoid many (but not all) of the pitfalls.

Crying about women who take advantage of men’s reproductive responsibilities is like all the women who cry about the endless stream of assholes they encounter and date and then insist all men are assholes. They aren’t. The women and men who pick these marginal people should start to examine their own repeated choices.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

Also, if I am correct with my assessment and at least the part I stated as facts can easily be verified, you can of course choose to be a happy go lucky, trusting, I hesitate to type “well adjusted” person.

Because you would not be, because you would not be adjusted to landscape that surrounds you.

You would be a lamb, waiting to be slaughtered. [/quote]

Slaughtered by what? Just seems to me that having such a tainted and pesimistic veiw on reality and interpersonal relationships is a lonely and uneventful way to experience life. Instead of seeking out good understanding that you may experience bad, why avoid all to escape the bad? Sounds more like passing time until death than living.

You constantly act that your reality and perception is the one true reality, I hate to tell you that it isnt. It is just your reality because you chose it to be so and because you are the one who is in fact experiencing it. [/quote]

Oh Jesus Christ.

Yeah, thats just my opinion maaaaannnnn…

Except that I point to facts and statistics that can easily be verified, you just choose not to do so.

Except that when I point out that female sexuality has a decidedly dark side and tell you where to look for it, you choose not to do so.

Not even if it would probably quadruple your success with women, whichever way you chose to measure it.

But, you are right, if you really get how women tick you also get that on a very fundamental level you will always be alone, because women are unable to love you the way you can love them.

Fine, but then its a business deal after all, you know, the way 98% of all human societes handled it before we us super awesome brainiacs removed all the norms, traditions and values designed to keep female sexuality in check and then decided to subsidize the lowest common denominator of female instincts for good measure.

Now, if the situation even comes remotely close of being headed in even the general direction I describe there are no grounds for me to rejoice and be happy.

So a:

What I am and what I feel means fuck all.

b: If I even remotely have a point, I not only have a perfectly well adjusted reaction to but also protip: Men who are very hard to get into a relationship are oh so terribly interesting.

c: Dont refrain from wading through statistics regarding divorce rates, including when women really file for divorce, or partner count and marriage success rates, or what domestic violence statistics really tell you, or what living through a divorce really means for children and so further and so on, just because it might ruin your day.

But, as long as you have not done your homework, as quzite frankly I have, dont tell me hpow to feel about it, because being “happy” is not the end all and be all of my existence.

I wont call a turd a diamond just to feel better.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

Also, if I am correct with my assessment and at least the part I stated as facts can easily be verified, you can of course choose to be a happy go lucky, trusting, I hesitate to type “well adjusted” person.

Because you would not be, because you would not be adjusted to landscape that surrounds you.

You would be a lamb, waiting to be slaughtered. [/quote]

Slaughtered by what? Just seems to me that having such a tainted and pesimistic veiw on reality and interpersonal relationships is a lonely and uneventful way to experience life. Instead of seeking out good understanding that you may experience bad, why avoid all to escape the bad? Sounds more like passing time until death than living.

You constantly act that your reality and perception is the one true reality, I hate to tell you that it isnt. It is just your reality because you chose it to be so and because you are the one who is in fact experiencing it. [/quote]

That’s very well put. Life isn’t risk free. It just requires some sense to avoid many (but not all) of the pitfalls.

Crying about women who take advantage of men’s reproductive responsibilities is like all the women who cry about the endless stream of assholes they encounter and date and then insist all men are assholes. They aren’t. The women and men who pick these marginal people should start to examine their own repeated choices.
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Yup, sometimes people are shitty and things don’t go your way, but you get out of life what you put in. You better put some effort into your relationships if you expect to get anything out of them.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
This isn’t really directed to the original poster but to everyone else who jumped to the conclusion that she is pregnant with another man’s baby. Perhaps people should try having sex/a relationship with a better class of person than one you think would screw around on you. You’re known by the company you keep. If it’s with a skank, what does that say for you?[/quote]
Too much logic.[/quote]

It lacks logic, to me.

If I’m afraid my wife is screwing around, then yes, I should be weary of myself because of the company I keep. If I’m concerned about someone else’s wife screwing around on them, that doesn’t say anything about my wife or myself, does it? After all, she’s not the one I’m concerned with. [/quote]

It’s more the frame of mind that they immediately think she’s a slut/skank. It seems like an over familiarity with that type of behaviour which leads me to believe they associate with people who behave poorly. I don’t expect the worst of people because I don’t marry, sleep with, hang with or become friends with people who I believe will shit on me. That doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced it but it’s the exception rather than the expectation.
[/quote]

Fair enough - and I don’t totally disagree. [/quote]

I do, and here is why.

From an evopsych perspective, we have developed to err on the side of caution in many cases, because there are disproportionate risk/rewards.

If something rustles the grass it might be the wind, it might be a lion.

If you automatically assume its a lion, you may err often, but whats the harm?

If you automatically assume its the wind you may be right often, but only err once.

Its better to err on the side of caution if the risk/reward is laid out like it regrettably is , i.e. men having almost no reproductive rights in our society.

If the one exception can ruin you, better to be vigilant always.
[/quote]

Have fun being paranoid your entire life.

There is a tremendous harm in ALWAYS erring on the side of caution. It’s like Pascal’s wager when he says there is no risk in believing in God. There certainly is a huge risk in spending your entire life living by certain principles, worshiping a fictional character (if you’re wrong) and spending so much of the limited time you have devoted to God.

[/quote]

That’s kind of my thought (except the God part). Unless you live in a war zone in which paranoia is well founded you risk living a sad, shriveled existence when you distrust everyone. You may not get burned but the price to your soul seems pretty high.
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And again would you trust a man you barely know with 100000$

You would, wouldnt you?

Otherwise, your constant paranoia might damage your soul…

Or maybe you would engage in an activity that could lead to serious emotional, social and financial harm with a group of people who are known to reneg 50% of all time and there is shit all you can do about it?

Well, yes, you would do that too, because otherwise you risk bitterness.

BULLSHIT.

If you had the same reproductive rights as men, if you were in the same position as men are in al Western nations, women themselves would sew their vaginas shut.

The very fact that women have bit by bit and inch by inch made it so that they hold all the cards in the reproductive game and that they complete devalued the male provider role by choosing to get at our resources via state coercion instead of cultivating female virtues so that a man might commit means first and foremost one thing.

YOU DONT TRUST US ONE BIT.

But, you would like us to trust you.

Because the whole house comes down if we stop doing so in sufficient numbers. [/quote]

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

I would wager thats how he comes off to everyone.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

Crying about women who take advantage of men’s reproductive responsibilities is like all the women who cry about the endless stream of assholes they encounter and date and then insist all men are assholes. They aren’t. The women and men who pick these marginal people should start to examine their own repeated choices.
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Yayayaya…

First, they do take advantage of mens responsibilities while they have little to none, that part is important.

Second, you compare a pump and dump to frivorce rape?

Have you ever looked at the statistics at the suicide rate of divorced men? The alcoholism, the drug abuse, the risk of being thrown in jail because he cannot pay her alimony?

Have you ever looked at the statistics of how a divorce fucks up children?

Hint: If one parent dies, it damages a child less.

So, unless you havent, I encourage you do to so.

And then, you could do the unthinkable.

You could try, for once, to put yourself in a mans shoes and just answer one question:

Would I risk that?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

Also, if I am correct with my assessment and at least the part I stated as facts can easily be verified, you can of course choose to be a happy go lucky, trusting, I hesitate to type “well adjusted” person.

Because you would not be, because you would not be adjusted to landscape that surrounds you.

You would be a lamb, waiting to be slaughtered. [/quote]

Slaughtered by what? Just seems to me that having such a tainted and pesimistic veiw on reality and interpersonal relationships is a lonely and uneventful way to experience life. Instead of seeking out good understanding that you may experience bad, why avoid all to escape the bad? Sounds more like passing time until death than living.

You constantly act that your reality and perception is the one true reality, I hate to tell you that it isnt. It is just your reality because you chose it to be so and because you are the one who is in fact experiencing it. [/quote]

Oh Jesus Christ.

Yeah, thats just my opinion maaaaannnnn…

Except that I point to facts and statistics that can easily be verified, you just choose not to do so.

Except that when I point out that female sexuality has a decidedly dark side and tell you where to look for it, you choose not to do so.

Not even if it would probably quadruple your success with women, whichever way you chose to measure it.

But, you are right, if you really get how women tick you also get that on a very fundamental level you will always be alone, because women are unable to love you the way you can love them.

Fine, but then its a business deal after all, you know, the way 98% of all human societes handled it before we us super awesome brainiacs removed all the norms, traditions and values designed to keep female sexuality in check and then decided to subsidize the lowest common denominator of female instincts for good measure.

Now, if the situation even comes remotely close of being headed in even the general direction I describe there are no grounds for me to rejoice and be happy.

So a:

What I am and what I feel means fuck all.

b: If I even remotely have a point, I not only have a perfectly well adjusted reaction to but also protip: Men who are very hard to get into a relationship are oh so terribly interesting.

c: Dont refrain from wading through statistics regarding divorce rates, including when women really file for divorce, or partner count and marriage success rates, or what domestic violence statistics really tell you, or what living through a divorce really means for children and so further and so on, just because it might ruin your day.

But, as long as you have not done your homework, as quzite frankly I have, dont tell me hpow to feel about it, because being “happy” is not the end all and be all of my existence.

I wont call a turd a diamond just to feel better. [/quote]

So using statistics of failed relationships and divorce rates gives you some form of statistical validation that you or any one person cannot find love and happiness or generally get through life enjoying it instead of being a cynical loner which no experience of true intamacy? Yeah cool story buddy.

You cannot bring statistics into your choice for beeing a mysigonist. Correlation does not mean causality. You just choose to be emotionall disconnect because you enjoy it, much like somoene else can enjoy being vunerable and emotionally connected.

Look at the statistics of wealth. The odds of me become a multi-millionare with large amounts of cashflow are very slim. Guess I should just live life like a pomper to avoid the heartbreak!

Dont you have a No Ma’am meeting you are late to?

EDIT- was going to edit all the grammar issues but fuck it. I apologize for writing like a 4rth grader here.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

I would wager thats how he comes off to everyone. [/quote]

On the other hands, be merry and oblivious, dont interupt your grazing.

There is nothing to see, there is nothing to learn, and if you just find the right one…

… chances are fifty/fifty that you will learn the hard way.

Good luck and enjoy your illusions while they last.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

I would wager thats how he comes off to everyone. [/quote]

On the other hands, be merry and oblivious, dont interupt your grazing.

There is nothing to see, there is nothing to learn, and if you just find the right one…

… chances are fifty/fifty that you will learn the hard way.

Good luck and enjoy your illusions while they last.

[/quote]

You do realize the concept of time right? The past does not exist anymore, and the future has not yet happened. There is only the present, the NOW if you will. Why would you want someone who is enjoying their NOW, to worry about a future that hasnt happened yet, or a past that no longer exists.

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Most people don’t survive life. No one dies unscathed. I can wager if you talk to anyone here or in your life, they all have a sad or tragic story to share. How you carry on, conduct yourself and treat others is a choice. Don’t they say living well (and happily) is the best revenge? If you want to be a victim of your own sad/tragic incident(s) carry on as you are.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I would wager thats how he comes off to everyone. [/quote]

On the other hands, be merry and oblivious, dont interupt your grazing.

There is nothing to see, there is nothing to learn, and if you just find the right one…

… chances are fifty/fifty that you will learn the hard way.

Good luck and enjoy your illusions while they last.

[/quote]

You do realize the concept of time right? The past does not exist anymore, and the future has not yet happened. There is only the present, the NOW if you will. Why would you want someone who is enjoying their NOW, to worry about a future that hasnt happened yet, or a past that no longer exists.
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I don’t think orion would disparage you (or anyone) who is happily married. If you’ve got a great wife and a great marriage, then congratulations! You already escaped the dark fate of which he speaks lol!

I think he just talks about these kinds of things to try and keep people from jumping into bad situations without having any idea about what they could really be in for and what happens perhaps much more often then they want to think or were lead to believe.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I would wager thats how he comes off to everyone. [/quote]

On the other hands, be merry and oblivious, dont interupt your grazing.

There is nothing to see, there is nothing to learn, and if you just find the right one…

… chances are fifty/fifty that you will learn the hard way.

Good luck and enjoy your illusions while they last.

[/quote]

You do realize the concept of time right? The past does not exist anymore, and the future has not yet happened. There is only the present, the NOW if you will. Why would you want someone who is enjoying their NOW, to worry about a future that hasnt happened yet, or a past that no longer exists.
[/quote]
I don’t think orion would disparage you (or anyone) who is happily married. If you’ve got a great wife and a great marriage, then congratulations! You already escaped the dark fate of which he speaks lol!

I think he just talks about these kinds of things to try and keep people from jumping into bad situations without having any idea about what they could really be in for and what happens perhaps much more often then they want to think or were lead to believe.[/quote]

I just like debating with him. He is intellegent and can actually articulate himself even when I disagree with his opinion. It is intellectually refreshing.

That being said everytime I read his posts this pops into my head.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
That being said everytime I read his posts this pops into my head.
[/quote]
Well fuck. Now there’s two of us.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
You can’t trust the pill[/quote]
You… You can’t?[/quote]

You just can’t trust anything.[/quote]

Yes.

Yes you can.

You can trust the snip.
[/quote]

The snip doesn’t prevent disease.[/quote]

Bingola bingolallalallaaaa
[/quote]

That is a totally DIFFERENT matter.

This was a discussion about impregnation, which I think I qualify as an expert on.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

I would wager thats how he comes off to everyone. [/quote]

On the other hands, be merry and oblivious, dont interupt your grazing.

There is nothing to see, there is nothing to learn, and if you just find the right one…

… chances are fifty/fifty that you will learn the hard way.

Good luck and enjoy your illusions while they last.

[/quote]

You do realize the concept of time right? The past does not exist anymore, and the future has not yet happened. There is only the present, the NOW if you will. Why would you want someone who is enjoying their NOW, to worry about a future that hasnt happened yet, or a past that no longer exists.

[/quote]

Who cares? For all his thought-provoking and statistically backed mumbo jumbo regarding women and relationships, he mainly comes across as some dude who has been burned and never got over it. It happens to plenty of people. I know some people that have had it particularly bad. They are all most certainly more enjoyable to be around and converse with than this poor sap.

Its called sacking up and getting on with your life. When you avoid any and all character-building experiences, surprise - you lack character.

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[quote]2busy wrote:

That is a totally DIFFERENT matter.

This was a discussion about impregnation, which I think I qualify as an expert on.[/quote]

Hahahaha!!!

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I do not mean this as an insult, but you just general come off as someone who has socially and emotionally shut themselves off from the outside world. It must be lonely. [/quote]

I would wager thats how he comes off to everyone. [/quote]

On the other hands, be merry and oblivious, dont interupt your grazing.

There is nothing to see, there is nothing to learn, and if you just find the right one…

… chances are fifty/fifty that you will learn the hard way.

Good luck and enjoy your illusions while they last.

[/quote]

You do realize the concept of time right? The past does not exist anymore, and the future has not yet happened. There is only the present, the NOW if you will. Why would you want someone who is enjoying their NOW, to worry about a future that hasnt happened yet, or a past that no longer exists.

[/quote]

Who cares? For all his thought-provoking and statistically backed mumbo jumbo regarding women and relationships, he mainly comes across as some dude who has been burned and never got over it. It happens to plenty of people. I know some people that have had it particularly bad. They are all most certainly more enjoyable to be around and converse with than this poor sap.

Its called sacking up and getting on with your life. When you avoid any and all character-building experiences, surprise - you lack character. [/quote]
he’s dealing with it the best way he sees fit, who are you o judge him? just because your time with women has been better doesn’t mean his has, it literally takes you getting burned once by your significant other and you’d be saying the same thing, or you’re the kind of pussy that would just make excuses for her and blame yourself

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
This isn’t really directed to the original poster but to everyone else who jumped to the conclusion that she is pregnant with another man’s baby. Perhaps people should try having sex/a relationship with a better class of person than one you think would screw around on you. You’re known by the company you keep. If it’s with a skank, what does that say for you?[/quote]
Too much logic.[/quote]

It lacks logic, to me.

If I’m afraid my wife is screwing around, then yes, I should be weary of myself because of the company I keep. If I’m concerned about someone else’s wife screwing around on them, that doesn’t say anything about my wife or myself, does it? After all, she’s not the one I’m concerned with. [/quote]

It’s more the frame of mind that they immediately think she’s a slut/skank. It seems like an over familiarity with that type of behaviour which leads me to believe they associate with people who behave poorly. I don’t expect the worst of people because I don’t marry, sleep with, hang with or become friends with people who I believe will shit on me. That doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced it but it’s the exception rather than the expectation.
[/quote]

Fair enough - and I don’t totally disagree. [/quote]

I do, and here is why.

From an evopsych perspective, we have developed to err on the side of caution in many cases, because there are disproportionate risk/rewards.

If something rustles the grass it might be the wind, it might be a lion.

If you automatically assume its a lion, you may err often, but whats the harm?

If you automatically assume its the wind you may be right often, but only err once.

Its better to err on the side of caution if the risk/reward is laid out like it regrettably is , i.e. men having almost no reproductive rights in our society.

If the one exception can ruin you, better to be vigilant always.
[/quote]

Have fun being paranoid your entire life.

There is a tremendous harm in ALWAYS erring on the side of caution. It’s like Pascal’s wager when he says there is no risk in believing in God. There certainly is a huge risk in spending your entire life living by certain principles, worshiping a fictional character (if you’re wrong) and spending so much of the limited time you have devoted to God.

[/quote]

Ummm… We’re talking about wearing condoms, right? In this day of casual sex, coupled with the consequences and lack of options for men IF the female gets knocked up, I feel that condom compliance is kinda smart. In fact the HUGE risk is NOT using them. What’s the risk in using a condom? A skin allergy? There’s plenty of other options besides latex.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
This isn’t really directed to the original poster but to everyone else who jumped to the conclusion that she is pregnant with another man’s baby. Perhaps people should try having sex/a relationship with a better class of person than one you think would screw around on you. You’re known by the company you keep. If it’s with a skank, what does that say for you?[/quote]
Too much logic.[/quote]

It lacks logic, to me.

If I’m afraid my wife is screwing around, then yes, I should be weary of myself because of the company I keep. If I’m concerned about someone else’s wife screwing around on them, that doesn’t say anything about my wife or myself, does it? After all, she’s not the one I’m concerned with. [/quote]

It’s more the frame of mind that they immediately think she’s a slut/skank. It seems like an over familiarity with that type of behaviour which leads me to believe they associate with people who behave poorly. I don’t expect the worst of people because I don’t marry, sleep with, hang with or become friends with people who I believe will shit on me. That doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced it but it’s the exception rather than the expectation.
[/quote]

Fair enough - and I don’t totally disagree. [/quote]

I do, and here is why.

From an evopsych perspective, we have developed to err on the side of caution in many cases, because there are disproportionate risk/rewards.

If something rustles the grass it might be the wind, it might be a lion.

If you automatically assume its a lion, you may err often, but whats the harm?

If you automatically assume its the wind you may be right often, but only err once.

Its better to err on the side of caution if the risk/reward is laid out like it regrettably is , i.e. men having almost no reproductive rights in our society.

If the one exception can ruin you, better to be vigilant always.
[/quote]

Have fun being paranoid your entire life.

There is a tremendous harm in ALWAYS erring on the side of caution. It’s like Pascal’s wager when he says there is no risk in believing in God. There certainly is a huge risk in spending your entire life living by certain principles, worshiping a fictional character (if you’re wrong) and spending so much of the limited time you have devoted to God.

[/quote]

That’s kind of my thought (except the God part). Unless you live in a war zone in which paranoia is well founded you risk living a sad, shriveled existence when you distrust everyone. You may not get burned but the price to your soul seems pretty high.
[/quote]

Guys, we’re talking about CONDOMS, right? Did I miss something? Wearing a condom is straining my SOUL? Really?

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
This isn’t really directed to the original poster but to everyone else who jumped to the conclusion that she is pregnant with another man’s baby. Perhaps people should try having sex/a relationship with a better class of person than one you think would screw around on you. You’re known by the company you keep. If it’s with a skank, what does that say for you?[/quote]
Too much logic.[/quote]

It lacks logic, to me.

If I’m afraid my wife is screwing around, then yes, I should be weary of myself because of the company I keep. If I’m concerned about someone else’s wife screwing around on them, that doesn’t say anything about my wife or myself, does it? After all, she’s not the one I’m concerned with. [/quote]

It’s more the frame of mind that they immediately think she’s a slut/skank. It seems like an over familiarity with that type of behaviour which leads me to believe they associate with people who behave poorly. I don’t expect the worst of people because I don’t marry, sleep with, hang with or become friends with people who I believe will shit on me. That doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced it but it’s the exception rather than the expectation.
[/quote]

Fair enough - and I don’t totally disagree. [/quote]

I do, and here is why.

From an evopsych perspective, we have developed to err on the side of caution in many cases, because there are disproportionate risk/rewards.

If something rustles the grass it might be the wind, it might be a lion.

If you automatically assume its a lion, you may err often, but whats the harm?

If you automatically assume its the wind you may be right often, but only err once.

Its better to err on the side of caution if the risk/reward is laid out like it regrettably is , i.e. men having almost no reproductive rights in our society.

If the one exception can ruin you, better to be vigilant always.
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Have fun being paranoid your entire life.

There is a tremendous harm in ALWAYS erring on the side of caution. It’s like Pascal’s wager when he says there is no risk in believing in God. There certainly is a huge risk in spending your entire life living by certain principles, worshiping a fictional character (if you’re wrong) and spending so much of the limited time you have devoted to God.

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That’s kind of my thought (except the God part). Unless you live in a war zone in which paranoia is well founded you risk living a sad, shriveled existence when you distrust everyone. You may not get burned but the price to your soul seems pretty high.
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And again would you trust a man you barely know with 100000$

You would, wouldnt you?

Otherwise, your constant paranoia might damage your soul…

Or maybe you would engage in an activity that could lead to serious emotional, social and financial harm with a group of people who are known to reneg 50% of all time and there is shit all you can do about it?

Well, yes, you would do that too, because otherwise you risk bitterness.

BULLSHIT.

If you had the same reproductive rights as men, if you were in the same position as men are in al Western nations, women themselves would sew their vaginas shut.

The very fact that women have bit by bit and inch by inch made it so that they hold all the cards in the reproductive game and that they complete devalued the male provider role by choosing to get at our resources via state coercion instead of cultivating female virtues so that a man might commit means first and foremost one thing.

YOU DONT TRUST US ONE BIT.

But, you would like us to trust you.

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Okay.

I’m sure you understand calculating risk. You don’t give a random stranger $100,000. I would suggest you don’t stick your dick into a random stranger either.

You attempt to govern your behaviour in a manner that minimizes your own risk. That doesn’t mean treat everyone as though they intend to rob you or foist someone else’s child upon you. That means don’t fuck crazy or morally corrupt and don’t walk through dark alley’s at night. There is a vast distance between blindly trusting and distrusting everyone. It is the grey area in which most of us operate.
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Sticking your dick in crazy is one thing, but even if you just meet a girl, how do you know she isn’t HIV positive? She could be a good girl and had a one night fling, or had an ex BF cheat on her. That isn’t an assault on her character, nor is it likely to show up on your “skank radar”. But it’s still a very real possibility in today’s world, right? Even if you both got tested before you had sex, HIV doesn’t show up right away…

I think all the “mistrust will shrivel your soul” talk is very ill conceived in a discussion of safe sex. Whether or not the fear is becoming a cuckold, an accidental pregnancy or catching a disease is irrelevant. Practicing safe sex is just smart. It isn’t inherently misogynistic. It’s the only thing a guy can do to have the best chance of protecting himself from a NUMBER of risks. What’s wrong with that?