everyone knows the concept of pre-fatigue, but I’d like to know if anyone has heard of or tried pre-fatiguing the rear delts or just overall delt complex for that matter when working on chest. It may be stupid to you but i figured i’d ask since i’m interested…
wot are you trying to acheive…more stress on the chest or shoudlers
the rear delts have “probably little” to “absolutely none” involvement in chest btw
[quote]Clown Face wrote:
wot are you trying to acheive…more stress on the chest or shoudlers
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im trying to achieve both more rear deltoid involvement because i feel my posture is slacking and more chest involvement. If I prefatigue my rear delts theyll fatigue easily through my workout and leave only chest and triceps to do the brunt of the work towards the end…
[quote]Clown Face wrote:
the rear delts have “probably little” to “absolutely none” involvement in chest btw[/quote]
Is this a joke of some kind?
Your rear delts get fatigued when doing chest exercises?
I was completely unaware that your rear delts are being used to any extent during chest exercises.
Dude… I’m thoroughly confused here…
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I am too stu.
Diamond, if you are messing with us, it’s a ridiculous good fake out because I am lost.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I was completely unaware that your rear delts are being used to any extent during chest exercises.[/quote]
They aren’t (well, maybe from a stabilization standpoint, but even then very little). If your rear delts were contracting, they’d be directly working against your chest. Not very efficient from a biomechanical standpoint.
The only chest exercise this might work with would be pull-overs.
OP, forget about pre-fatiguing your rear delts before doing a chest routine (unless it’s going to be only pull-overs); it’s a waste of time/energy. If you wanted to pre-fatigue them before doing a back workout, now that might make sense.
Do you want to tire up your rear delt before bench press to have less resistance from them? If yes, then tha’ts not “pre-fatigue”, you might wanna do some research on that.
You might just stretch your back before benching if that’s the goal.
See antagonist strecht + contraction
If you want to improve posture, add face pulls and snatch grip deadlift (with straps).
How do you do snatch grip deadlift without the bar getting stuck at your nut stack 3/4 of the way up?!
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
I was completely unaware that your rear delts are being used to any extent during chest exercises.
They aren’t (well, maybe from a stabilization standpoint, but even then very little). If your rear delts were contracting, they’d be directly working against your chest. Not very efficient from a biomechanical standpoint.
The only chest exercise this might work with would be pull-overs.
OP, forget about pre-fatiguing your rear delts before doing a chest routine (unless it’s going to be only pull-overs); it’s a waste of time/energy. If you wanted to pre-fatigue them before doing a back workout, now that might make sense.[/quote]
theyre not directly worked but i always concentrate on controlling the neg portion of any chest exercise because i have bad shoulders. When i do this I feel my lats and rear delts stabilize me to some extent. CP kinda hit what i meant, im sure i wasnt that clear so my fault on that…
You are thinking outside the box. Nothing stupid about that. Try it and see how you like it. I think I understand why you are asking. It is like doing antagonist exercises…
[quote]diamonddelts59 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
I was completely unaware that your rear delts are being used to any extent during chest exercises.
They aren’t (well, maybe from a stabilization standpoint, but even then very little). If your rear delts were contracting, they’d be directly working against your chest. Not very efficient from a biomechanical standpoint.
The only chest exercise this might work with would be pull-overs.
OP, forget about pre-fatiguing your rear delts before doing a chest routine (unless it’s going to be only pull-overs); it’s a waste of time/energy. If you wanted to pre-fatigue them before doing a back workout, now that might make sense.
theyre not directly worked but i always concentrate on controlling the neg portion of any chest exercise because i have bad shoulders. When i do this I feel my lats and rear delts stabilize me to some extent. CP kinda hit what i meant, im sure i wasnt that clear so my fault on that…[/quote]
Well, ok (still don’t know if rear delts do much for stabilization, but whatever) but then why would you want to tire out your stabilizers if you are worried about stabilization?
It’s a bad idea for the bench press, and the reason is because it can predispose you to MORE shoulder injuries, precisely because you just fatigued your shoulder stabilizers. Believe me, you WANT that stabilization.
rear delt flys before dumbell rows with a squeeze of the rear delts at the top of every rep.
I barely do any rear delt work any more because db/cable rows have made them and my traps my strongest parts of my back.
rear delts come in to play (possibly) when not actively engaging the chest during presses, e.g. completing a circuit so to speak, down the arm through the deltoid around the back and up and out the other arm. If your shoulder blades are tucked, chest out, etc., then maybe your anterior delt gets worked, even that should be minimized by proper form.
as for pre-exhaust, i wouldn’t call it that w/ the intention you have in mind. Priority principal comes to mind. If your posterior deltoids are lagging hit them first or double them up x2 a week for a bit.
your correlation to rear delt and chest seems off, anterior and chest makes a heck of a lot more sense.
[quote]diamonddelts59 wrote:
everyone knows the concept of pre-fatigue, but I’d like to know if anyone has heard of or tried pre-fatiguing the rear delts or just overall delt complex for that matter when working on chest. It may be stupid to you but i figured i’d ask since i’m interested…[/quote]
You are very probably mistaking rear delts for inter/ext. rotators, moreover external rotators since they are positioned very near the rear delts and are in work, contraction, during horizontal pushing, and in some cases one type of rotator is even fused with delt.
If you feel fatigue in that muscle or excessive involvement, because it has been worked than your roators are clearly undeveloped an lack strenght. So ext. rotations with cables or some other movement types will be needed.
[quote]testosteroniak wrote:
diamonddelts59 wrote:
everyone knows the concept of pre-fatigue, but I’d like to know if anyone has heard of or tried pre-fatiguing the rear delts or just overall delt complex for that matter when working on chest. It may be stupid to you but i figured i’d ask since i’m interested…
You are very probably mistaking rear delts for inter/ext. rotators, moreover external rotators since they are positioned very near the rear delts and are in work, contraction, during horizontal pushing, and in some cases one type of rotator is even fused with delt.
If you feel fatigue in that muscle or excessive involvement, because it has been worked than your roators are clearly undeveloped an lack strenght. So ext. rotations with cables or some other movement types will be needed.
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possibly my problem, im sure my rotators are weak since I never train them, thanks…