[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why the fuck would I be doing rows for big biceps?
Rows are for my back.
They are for your back too.
That might alleviate some of that confusion.
-Guy with big arms.[/quote]
I don’t think he said anything about doing rows for biceps. He was saying that he feels pullups in his biceps…
[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
3). You’re a beginner and shouldn’t be worried about pre-fatigue, but rather learning to perfect the form on all the basic movement patterns and improve your strength each week. [/quote]
I had shitty MMC on bench press. I fixed that by starting a few chest days on the pec deck doing high reps with low weight to get a little pump in my chest. After that, I hit the bench and the MMC was improved.
I’m a beginner and I know pre-fatigue is helping me perfect my form (ie MMC) on the bench press.
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That’s because you were starting your chest workout with a movement that heavily uses the chest, delts, tris, lats, traps, hips, etc. and not something like DB incline press with a good stretch at the bottom and hard flex at the top of every rep.
[quote]nuts wrote:
I do find it a little weird that LoRez seems to give advice here and there, BUT at least he has pictures up and doesn’t hide the fact he’s a beginner which is far better than a lot of other guys who give advice like they know what they’re talking about, and unless they are saying outright dumb shit you really don’t know.
People can read his advice, look at his hub or whatever, and then decide whether or not to take it. In the process he gets critiqued on his advice and learns stuff. He has probably read more books on training/etc than I have, and I don’t think regurgitating what you’ve read is SUCH a bad thing. What’s the difference between that and you reading a book? What really sucks is when people who don’t have any pictures etc do this, because as a newbie there’s no way to tell if they are one of the good guys.
although I really dislike the advice he gave in this thread lol[/quote]
Kind of like not having to look through google results
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
3). You’re a beginner and shouldn’t be worried about pre-fatigue, but rather learning to perfect the form on all the basic movement patterns and improve your strength each week. [/quote]
I had shitty MMC on bench press. I fixed that by starting a few chest days on the pec deck doing high reps with low weight to get a little pump in my chest. After that, I hit the bench and the MMC was improved.
I’m a beginner and I know pre-fatigue is helping me perfect my form (ie MMC) on the bench press.
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That’s because you were starting your chest workout with a movement that heavily uses the chest, delts, tris, lats, traps, hips, etc. and not something like DB incline press with a good stretch at the bottom and hard flex at the top of every rep.
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You just can’t let it go, huh?
But yeah, no doubt. You are right about that. I do two different chest workouts and the one that starts with incline dumbbell press doesn’t require me to do a pre-fatigue or chest activation exercise or whatever you want to call it.
[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
3). You’re a beginner and shouldn’t be worried about pre-fatigue, but rather learning to perfect the form on all the basic movement patterns and improve your strength each week. [/quote]
I had shitty MMC on bench press. I fixed that by starting a few chest days on the pec deck doing high reps with low weight to get a little pump in my chest. After that, I hit the bench and the MMC was improved.
I’m a beginner and I know pre-fatigue is helping me perfect my form (ie MMC) on the bench press.
[/quote]
That’s because you were starting your chest workout with a movement that heavily uses the chest, delts, tris, lats, traps, hips, etc. and not something like DB incline press with a good stretch at the bottom and hard flex at the top of every rep.
[/quote]
You just can’t let it go, huh?
But yeah, no doubt. You are right about that. I do two different chest workouts and the one that starts with incline dumbbell press doesn’t require me to do a pre-fatigue or chest activation exercise or whatever you want to call it.
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Not trying to be a douche, I just thought my point was very relevant to the thread. Bench press to target chest is much like doing chin-ups to target the lats. You don’t feel it there because of the nature of the lifts–they pull in a bunch of muscles and are complex, full upperbody movements. For that reason, I don’t think it’s particularly efficient.
Perfecting form is not the same thing as MMC. If you are feeling bench press primarily in your chest, you are changing the way you do the movement…not necessarily “perfecting” it. That’s relative to the goal, whether it’s putting up the most weight possible, or annihilating the chest.