[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
poeple that debate this sort of shit have too much time on their hands. this debate seems to come up every once in awhile. there’s no way to generalize things. there are strong bodybuilder and their are weak as piss bodybuilders. same with powerlifters.
Strong is Strong… plain and simple.
You would think that would be common sense. Guess some guys cant deal with a 165lb man benching twice what that do at 220. Very well said. Strong is Strong.
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its simple you become best at what you do.bodybuilders train medium weight high reps,powerlifters train heavy weigth low reps.powerlifters would beat bodybuilders in 1rm and bodybuilders would beat powerlifters in anything above 10 reps beacuase the bodybuilders developed more musculuar endurance by training in higher reps.
this explains it a little bit more clearly then me.
From what I have seen, 90% of the time there is almost no difference between the two camps. The bodybuilders I have known squat, pull, bench, and row and go pretty heavy for pretty low reps. Just like we do. They train and eat to grow and get bigger/stronger. Guess what- if they keep with it, they get pretty strong.
The main differences come into play in gettting ready for a show or a meet. We put on gear and hone our technique in full gear and maximal strength on single reps. They starve themselves and drop to very high-rep hypertrophy work. The stereotype of the bodybuilder that never touches a barbell outside a smith machine and is all show and no go simply does pan out in my experience.
I have said a lot of times, if you don’t compete you are not a bodybuilder. You are a guy who trains for the ultimate goal of hypertrophy, while a competitive PL trains with the ultimate goal of moving as much as they can in the big 3
The thing is, I know of no successful PL’s who don’t spend time working on hypertrophy, nor do I know any successful BB’s who don’t spend time working on getting stronger.
If largely boils down to the peaking process.
A competitive PL cares about little more than hitting the platform as strong as possible.
A competitive BB cares about little more than hitting the stage looking as muscular and balanced as possible.
Hell, I have written off season squat cycles for a few of the guys I know who compete in BB, and there are two guys who if they see us at the gym come over and squat with us all the time because we help keep their form on target and push them harder than they would otherwise.
Same with DL’ing. We had a Junior Champ of some sort pull with us for 12 weeks in the off season to build mass. We kicked his ass like a red headed step child and he got significantly thicker in that 12 weeks. He was very pleased with the results.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
From what I have seen, 90% of the time there is almost no difference between the two camps. The bodybuilders I have known squat, pull, bench, and row and go pretty heavy for pretty low reps. Just like we do. They train and eat to grow and get bigger/stronger. Guess what- if they keep with it, they get pretty strong.
The main differences come into play in gettting ready for a show or a meet. We put on gear and hone our technique in full gear and maximal strength on single reps. They starve themselves and drop to very high-rep hypertrophy work. The stereotype of the bodybuilder that never touches a barbell outside a smith machine and is all show and no go simply does pan out in my experience. [/quote]
[quote]Pinto wrote:
From what I have seen, 90% of the time there is almost no difference between the two camps. The bodybuilders I have known squat, pull, bench, and row and go pretty heavy for pretty low reps. Just like we do. They train and eat to grow and get bigger/stronger. Guess what- if they keep with it, they get pretty strong.
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Yup, that’s pretty much what happens in real life!!
This whole thing started, because people couldn’t agree on what strength is, and that strength and size aren’t mutually exclusive.
Is a gymnast that can do HSPU’s and the iron cross strong?
Is a PL’er squatting 1000lbs strong?
Is an MMA fighter that can break your skull strong?
Is a bb’er squatting 20 reps with 400lbs strong?
Is a 130lb gymnast deadlifting 500lbs strong?
Nobody can agree that strength is more than just 1rm strength, or how much you can curl or whatever.
Also, this was talked about recently on the Iron radio podcast. The discussion was between a PL’er, weightlifter, and bb’er I believe. And they all agreed that getting stronger will make you bigger, and getting bigger will likely make you stronger. But they mentioned a trend in the recent years; with the inclusion of much omre drugs, that bb’ers dont care how strong they are. Its all about looks. They mentioned that Jay Cutler was asked what he benches, and he stated he didn’t care. It may be a bit of an overstatement, but in this view, bb’ing is all about taking drugs and getting “pumped” Now natural bb’ing is a bit different. And they also have talked about how in the past, bb’ers were much stronger for their size than they are now. But the problem comes in with “bodybuilders” that aren’t competative that dont care how much they lift and only want to get bigger. Everyone is doing 20 rep squats, and enldess sets of lateral raises and curls, but then they are weak, and cant lift crap.
And we all know pl’ers, strongmen, and weightlifters are strong. They have to be.
so since there are so many definitions of strong, basically if you lift heavy shit, you are strong. And if you like to keep it light, and go for the “pump” then your a pussy.
[quote]dankid wrote:
This whole thing started, because people couldn’t agree on what strength is, and that strength and size aren’t mutually exclusive.
Is a gymnast that can do HSPU’s and the iron cross strong?
Is a PL’er squatting 1000lbs strong?
Is an MMA fighter that can break your skull strong?
Is a bb’er squatting 20 reps with 400lbs strong?
Is a 130lb gymnast deadlifting 500lbs strong?
Nobody can agree that strength is more than just 1rm strength, or how much you can curl or whatever.
Also, this was talked about recently on the Iron radio podcast. The discussion was between a PL’er, weightlifter, and bb’er I believe. And they all agreed that getting stronger will make you bigger, and getting bigger will likely make you stronger. But they mentioned a trend in the recent years; with the inclusion of much omre drugs, that bb’ers dont care how strong they are. Its all about looks. They mentioned that Jay Cutler was asked what he benches, and he stated he didn’t care. It may be a bit of an overstatement, but in this view, bb’ing is all about taking drugs and getting “pumped” Now natural bb’ing is a bit different. And they also have talked about how in the past, bb’ers were much stronger for their size than they are now. But the problem comes in with “bodybuilders” that aren’t competative that dont care how much they lift and only want to get bigger. Everyone is doing 20 rep squats, and enldess sets of lateral raises and curls, but then they are weak, and cant lift crap.
And we all know pl’ers, strongmen, and weightlifters are strong. They have to be.
so since there are so many definitions of strong, basically if you lift heavy shit, you are strong. And if you like to keep it light, and go for the “pump” then your a pussy.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH OH MAN THAT MADE MY DAY JUST THAT LAST SENTENCE WAS WORTH THE WHOLE READ. HAHAHAHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GOOD FOR THE SOUL
Who the hell cares? Let’s just say BB’er and PL’er are both douches. BB’er are douches for prancing around in their fake tans and speedos on stage. PL’er are douches because if they had any athletic ability they would be on the field playing a real sport like football and only using the powerlifts to supplement their training. BWHAHAHAHAHA
[quote]harmony72 wrote:
Who the hell cares? Let’s just say BB’er and PL’er are both douches. BB’er are douches for prancing around in their fake tans and speedos on stage. PL’er are douches because if they had any athletic ability they would be on the field playing a real sport like football and only using the powerlifts to supplement their training. BWHAHAHAHAHA[/quote]
I can live with that. ummmm now what is all this crazy talk about fake tans???
Where is this quote (supposedly) in the bb’ing section of this site, if indeed anywhere on the Internet?
I am not saying for a fact it doesn’t exist. But I question it. Can the OP show where it comes from?
EDIT: I was in error to question its existence, I did find it (though Google could not, while it usually can find anything in this site.)
However the OP, in my opinion, is making a total misrepresentation of the overall discussion of the thread. Any aspect that he is concerned with not being correct or well said, there has already been widespread criticism within the thread.
I still see it as being a trolling effort, though one based on an actual isolated quote, but not the overall tenor of the thread. Which has nothing to do with disparaging powerlifters, but only of saying that some bodybuilders are quite strong. Which is true.