Man, you dudes really make me wonder sometime…Janice and Denise were both hard trainers and looked just fine for what they were trying to acheive…Denise was once touted as the “Next Cory Everson”…All you big tough guys cant deal with the mere thought of some tiny little thing with a delt and bicep, get all upset and nasty catty and, dare I say “bitchy” with the carping comments…It has an inherent beauty of it’s own, if you cant see it, fine, just move on f’crissake…pish’…Buncha’ flippin pantywaists…
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
Man, you dudes really make me wonder sometime…Janice and Denise were both hard trainers and looked just fine for what they were trying to acheive…Denise was once touted as the “Next Cory Everson”…All you big tough guys cant deal with the mere thought of some tiny little thing with a delt and bicep, get all upset and nasty catty and, dare I say “bitchy” with the carping comments…It has an inherent beauty of it’s own, if you cant see it, fine, just move on f’crissake…pish’…Buncha’ flippin pantywaists…[/quote]
Hey man, I like my women to look like women, know what I mean? And when someone of one gender has traits that are normally associated with another, I get freaked out, even grossed out.
So I’m not sorry I get grossed out when I see the PI which is something I normally look forward to, and see a “woman” who’s biceps are bigger than my head.
Don’t get me wrong, I love women who work out and have some sort of muscle, but I still like it when they look like…women.
I definitely agree with Jinx and her earlier post. Not all the PI images have to be anything we aspire to, I’m not into bodybuilding at all and some of the male images make me cringe.
Personally I don’t understand why anyone would want to get that huge, male or female, but it does make you think, indeed.
[quote]HendrixJams wrote:
Hey man, I like my women to look like women, know what I mean? And when someone of one gender has traits that are normally associated with another, I get freaked out, even grossed out.
So I’m not sorry I get grossed out when I see the PI which is something I normally look forward to, and see a “woman” who’s biceps are bigger than my head.
Don’t get me wrong, I love women who work out and have some sort of muscle, but I still like it when they look like…women.
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“…It has an inherent beauty of it’s own, if you cant see it, fine, just move on f’crissake…”
[quote]iscariot wrote:
You know what’s scarier than the powerful image? All the ‘oh my god…you latent homosexual you…’
Insecure much?
“…ohhhh don’t go near the muscular woman…boys…you might be gay”
blink
I’m sure some of the women on here would be highly impressed if one of you said: “Ever since you developed a bicep, babe, I’ve been questioning my sexuality…”
What I find even more amusing is that many of the same people you see on this, and other, forums doing the whole homophobia thing never seem to have any problem making with the aesthetic comments regarding male BB-ers etc…
Now that makes me wonder…[/quote]
You can never have too much money, but a woman CAN have too much muscle. Where the line is drawn is a matter of individual choice.
If a woman was drawn to pics of very masculine women, women who dripped testosterone out of every pore, you might question why she likes such pictures. The same goes for men who like pics of heavily-muscled babes, lifting iron.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
You can never have too much money, but a woman CAN have too much muscle. Where the line is drawn is a matter of individual choice.
If a woman was drawn to pics of very masculine women, women who dripped testosterone out of every pore, you might question why she likes such pictures. The same goes for men who like pics of heavily-muscled babes, lifting iron. [/quote]
It sounds like YOU might question a lot of things.
You had it right in your first paragraph. The location of the “the line” is a matter of personal choice. Period.
May I add that matters of individual choice extend to what pictures I may like. What I have a problem with is some pinhead on the sidelines “questioning” why I like what I like.
Your two paragraphs are at odds with each other. Unless you’re a licensed psychiatrist and I’m paying you $100/hr, I’ll thank you to keep your questions to yourself.
[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You can never have too much money, but a woman CAN have too much muscle. Where the line is drawn is a matter of individual choice.
If a woman was drawn to pics of very masculine women, women who dripped testosterone out of every pore, you might question why she likes such pictures. The same goes for men who like pics of heavily-muscled babes, lifting iron.
It sounds like YOU might question a lot of things.
You had it right in your first paragraph. The location of the “the line” is a matter of personal choice. Period.
May I add that matters of individual choice extend to what pictures I may like. What I have a problem with is some pinhead on the sidelines “questioning” why I like what I like.
Your two paragraphs are at odds with each other. Unless you’re a licensed psychiatrist and I’m paying you $100/hr, I’ll thank you to keep your questions to yourself.
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Is this last sentence from personal experience?
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
Man, you dudes really make me wonder sometime…Janice and Denise were both hard trainers and looked just fine for what they were trying to acheive…Denise was once touted as the “Next Cory Everson”…All you big tough guys cant deal with the mere thought of some tiny little thing with a delt and bicep, get all upset and nasty catty and, dare I say “bitchy” with the carping comments…It has an inherent beauty of it’s own, if you cant see it, fine, just move on f’crissake…pish’…Buncha’ flippin pantywaists…[/quote]
Yea…nothin turns me more than the sight of a woman who has more test in her right nut then I do in my entire body…
Say what you want, that broad is a freak. I bet she’s a nice woman and all, and she worked real hard, but she’s still a damn freak. And I wouldn’t fuck her with your dick.
I didn’t find that pic a turn-on, but if you do an image search for her, there are some that show her in a much cuter way - not all flexed up. Not my preference, but not undesireable either.
Like somebody already said, she’s much more attractive than the fat-asses you see every day all around you. And you gotta respect the effort, even with the juice involved.
I think it’s silly to go straight for the gay button anytime a woman like this is posted and guys defend her. But I know for myself, that if I had an erection and came across this picture, it would disappear. It’s a simple matter of biology. I truly don’t see how anyone could find this woman physically attractive or be aroused by her.
I like small waists and high firm boobs. Flat, taut stomachs. Sculpted but not striated legs and tight, rounded asses. I can’t understand how any man could be attracted to broad backs and big striated shoulders. Big, bulging traps. Big, ripped arms with full separation. Large, shredded quads.
Not trying to pick a fight, it’s just truly incomprehensible to me. To the guy that says, “It has a beauty all it’s own,” I might agree. But so does a mountain. But I wouldn’t want to sleep with it. Having said all this, it IS impressive, and it is powerful. It does invoke a visceral reaction and spark conversation. So, Jinx and Jilly are right-images like this definitely deserve to be posted.
[quote]HendrixJams wrote:
I’m not into bodybuilding at all
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Then why, pray tell, are you posting on a site that bills itself as “Bodybuilding’s Think Tank”?
Earlier I brought up the fact that this image’s power lies, in part with the strong feelings it elicits, and its ability to make us think.
People are getting a bit defensive (in response to others who are getting a bit offensive), but maybe instead of taking this personally, it would be more enlightening to think about sexuality, gender, and what defines those things for us.
Personally, I agree with a lot of the guys here, in that I find the PI to be a very masculine image. It certainly doesn’t make me sick like some people claim, but I think female bodybuilders can sometimes approach gender bending. Thing is, that’s fine with me. I just don’t find it feminine.
Same goes with men who are extremely waifish and effeminate; not my thing. But some girls do really like that type - that doesn’t make them gay. They just like that type of guy, they dig the Hollywood, boyish look, which is very popular.
So that being said, it’s not much of a stretch to say that a straight man who’s into weightlifting and the associated ‘counter culture’ of lifting, could dig a very muscular woman. It’s not a popular image of women, but just because most people don’t understand it, isn’t a great reason to make assumptions about those who do.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
But I know for myself, that if I had an erection and came across this picture, it would disappear. It’s a simple matter of biology. … [/quote]
They always disappear after the act.
[quote]iscariot wrote:
I’m sure some of the women on here would be highly impressed if one of you said: “Ever since you developed a bicep, babe, I’ve been questioning my sexuality…”[/quote]
Uh - yea, right. Because a normal woman developing her biceps looks even remotely like that.
Bottom line - she’s not sexually attractive to the average male. Save the politically correct bullshit - it’s not about gay or straight, it’s about ugly and unattractive - which the woman in the PI certainly is.
Hey, if you wanna fuck her, more power to you, I won’t say a word about your sexuality - whatever floats your boat man.
However, trying to label every guy that thinks she’s far too masculine as homophobic is patently ridiculous.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Hey, if you wanna fuck her, more power to you, I won’t say a word about your sexuality - whatever floats your boat man.
However, trying to label every guy that thinks she’s far too masculine as homophobic is patently ridiculous.
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I totally agree. Hell, I think she’s too masculine too, and some of my best friends are gay. Okay maybe not, but I’m not exactly homophobic.
[quote]Jinx Me wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
Hey, if you wanna fuck her, more power to you, I won’t say a word about your sexuality - whatever floats your boat man.
However, trying to label every guy that thinks she’s far too masculine as homophobic is patently ridiculous.
I totally agree. Hell, I think she’s too masculine too, and some of my best friends are gay. Okay maybe not, but I’m not exactly homophobic. [/quote]
And there you go. And that’s coming from a woman who, judging by her profile pics, looks like she possesses the kind of feminine body most men would be attracted to. Not too hard, but nicely muscular, yet still retaining all the softer curves of the gender that we’re looking for.
Hell, I think some of the fitness girls look too muscular for my taste, and that doesn’t mean I don’t like or respect powerful women. My wife trains, and it’s something that has been one of the bonding points of our marriage. I always encourage her.
Point is, these girls are also in contest shape - after they gain back 20 pounds or so of BF, they look absolutely gorgeous. And even on stage they still look pretty good.
But the extremely muscular, obviously juiced women with 4 inch clits and facial hair? Keep 'em, not interested.
[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
Your two paragraphs are at odds with each other. Unless you’re a licensed psychiatrist and I’m paying you $100/hr, I’ll thank you to keep your questions to yourself.
Headhunter wrote:
Is this last sentence from personal experience?[/quote]
What’s the difference? Are you judging people who go to psychiatrists now?!
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
iscariot wrote:
I’m sure some of the women on here would be highly impressed if one of you said: “Ever since you developed a bicep, babe, I’ve been questioning my sexuality…”
Uh - yea, right. Because a normal woman developing her biceps looks even remotely like that.
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You know, in the 10 million years I’ve been hanging around this place the one thing that never ceases to amaze me is the almost total inability of most people to appreciate the use of irony and exaggeration to make a point.
Anyway, because I’m relatively tolerant, I’ll walk you through it slowly:
I couldn’t care less what the woman looks like what gets me going is the whole “If you like this then you must be gay thing”…even in jest, it’s old tired and stupid. It’s not offensive, it’s too retarded and sad to be offensive.
Now, through the use of exaggeration and irony, I noted, through implication, that if like the PI makes you gay, then it would logically follow that if your woman developed a hint of a bicep and you found that attractive then, heaven forbid, it’s time to start questioing your sexuality.
Bottom line - she’s not sexually attractive to the average male. Save the politically correct bullshit - it’s not about gay or straight, it’s about ugly and unattractive - which the woman in the PI certainly is.
I find her neither attractive, not unattractive - she hasn’t opened her mouth and spoken yet. Does the PI paint her in the best light - physically, with regards to generic standards of attractiveness; no - but so what, that wasn’t the point I was making.
…blink There is a large difference between saying:
[1] I find her too masculine for my taste and…
[2]If you like that you’re gay
So spare me your blanket denunciations, huh?
[quote]iscariot wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
iscariot wrote:
I’m sure some of the women on here would be highly impressed if one of you said: “Ever since you developed a bicep, babe, I’ve been questioning my sexuality…”
Uh - yea, right. Because a normal woman developing her biceps looks even remotely like that.
You know, in the 10 million years I’ve been hanging around this place the one thing that never ceases to amaze me is the almost total inability of most people to appreciate the use of irony and exaggeration to make a point.
Anyway, because I’m relatively tolerant, I’ll walk you through it slowly:
I couldn’t care less what the woman looks like what gets me going is the whole “If you like this then you must be gay thing”…even in jest, it’s old tired and stupid. It’s not offensive, it’s too retarded and sad to be offensive.
Now, through the use of exaggeration and irony, I noted, through implication, that if like the PI makes you gay, then it would logically follow that if your woman developed a hint of a bicep and you found that attractive then, heaven forbid, it’s time to start questioing your sexuality.
Bottom line - she’s not sexually attractive to the average male. Save the politically correct bullshit - it’s not about gay or straight, it’s about ugly and unattractive - which the woman in the PI certainly is.
Hey, if you wanna fuck her, more power to you, I won’t say a word about your sexuality - whatever floats your boat man.
I find her neither attractive, not unattractive - she hasn’t opened her mouth and spoken yet. Does the PI paint her in the best light - physically, with regards to generic standards of attractiveness; no - but so what, that wasn’t the point I was making.
However, trying to label every guy that thinks she’s far too masculine as homophobic is patently ridiculous.
…blink There is a large difference between saying:
[1] I find her too masculine for my taste and…
[2]If you like that you’re gay
So spare me your blanket denunciations, huh?
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My, quite the self important prick now, aren’t we?
No need for that attitude, I certainly did not miss the point, and no your wonderful sarcasm doesn’t come across so well in print.
Feel free to ignore me from now on, because I’ll certainly be ignoring you.
[quote]iscariot wrote:
There is a large difference between saying:
[1] I find her too masculine for my taste and…
[2]If you like that you’re gay
So spare me your blanket denunciations, huh?
[/quote]
You might not have said “if you like that, you’re gay” but a few others have more or less said that. I think that comment was directed to them.
It’s a logical leap for a guy who’s into the mainsteam image of femininity to assume that a guy who likes a more masculine/muscular looking woman is gay. I just think that for those of us who are into mainstream, it’s hard to understand the perspectives of those who aren’t, and then assumptions are made and labels applied.
Guys who don’t workout at all often feel that a girl with even a moderate level of muscularity looks too hard. Guys who do workout tend to appreciate women who do (not always though) Some may appreciate more extremely muscular women than others - bodybuilding is somewhat of a subculture, especially for the hardcore.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
My, quite the self important prick now, aren’t we?
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So, you don’t like the fact that I can argue back so you wheel out the ad hominem
Sad.
I’m not entirely sure where you got the ‘self-important prick’ from - or does the fact that I have an opinion, that you don’t like, and I am happy expressing it, make me one?
Obviously, I missed the bit where I said “my opinion was handed down to me by some guy on mountain, and he carved it in stone - therefore I’m right.”
For someone who claims to be a writer, your inability to differentiate between irony and sarcasm is somewhat bewildering, but cool, take it how you want…
…And if you didn’t miss the point then…
[quote]
Uh - yea, right. Because a normal woman developing her biceps looks even remotely like that. [/quote]
…was written by someone else claiming to be you, huh?
Oh woe, you’re going to ignore me - how will I ever cope? Make sure you collect your ball so you can take it home with you…(now, that’s me being a self-important prick, just so you don’t miss it.)