Hey guys,
Still pretty new on here so take it easy on me if I ask stupid questions. was wondering if anyone has any insight as to potential long term damage of the irreversible sort (e.g. cancer, overly enlarged heart, tumor growth, arterial plaque, enlarged heart, adverse changes in lipids, etc.) from a single 12 week cycle of 400mg test cypionate or enanthate, assuming appropriate PCT. Does this risk change with 2 cycles? 3…? I’m aware of many of the reversible side effects (e.g. HPTA suppression), but I’m curious about what’s potentially permanent. Thank you!
Pretty sure it’s all dangerous, and all individual. Might can do 20 hardcore cycles and live till 90, might be the exact opposite lol.
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Quantifying how much risk something is, is a tough task. It is individual.
There is a study that looked at heart health of long term users. They used an average of roughly 675 mg/wk of test (all AAS were converted to a testosterone equivalent), for something like 460 weeks. Out of roughly 10, only 1 was in normal range for left ventricle size, and left ventricle ejection volume. I am guessing that individual was one of them that was really lucky, or one of them not using as much as the average.
Your chances are pretty good with a single 10 week cycle that is low dose (400 mg/wk). Hardly anyone does only one cycle though.
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The chances of long term damage from one cycle—assuming full recovery—are statistically close to zero. There will of course be a few huge outliers who end up hurting themselves, but 12 weeks of basically anything isn’t going to kill you 30 years later.
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As @mnben87 said… it’s like Pringles…
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Thank you for the feedback guys. Regarding the issue of one cycle never being enough, why exactly is that? Like is it because it doesn’t build enough muscle for the person or is there like a state of mind/high that’s super appealing?
I’m on trt, and can’t really tell the difference between a blast and trt. I think many feel the difference between on and post cycle though.
I think the big thing is that steroids work, but not as much as some think. To look juicy most need juice, and not just once. You can get a lot of size if you are what I would consider to small to be using steroids in the first place. You will probably be less developed compared to a guy with your same genetics that has trained somewhat correctly for a few years. I’ve seen guys on here that look worse on tren than I did just on trt before doing a blast (I’ve done two small blasts), and I didn’t look great, just had a good amount of muscle.
Results are enjoyable. Adding all that weight in all the right places looks good in the mirror. But six months later you look pretty different. Still better than when you started, but you’ll never have that full, juicy guy staring back at you in the mirror. So you end up hopping on again, because hey, it worked before and it’ll work again.
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To answer your question directly, no. I don’t know for sure. But I can offer you this real world experience…
I am 41 years old, with a family history of heart disease(dad and grandpa). I have been on 300mgs wk, or greater, of test for most of the last year. On many occasions, I have added in Nandrolone for weeks at a time.
I am being medically screened for something right now and between my GP doc and my T clinic, I have had complete, comprehensive bloodwork done. CBC, complete metabolic panel, lipids, hormones, etc. all of it. Every single one of my values are within range right now except:
Total T, Estrogen, and Creatinine
All three, I would expect to be high. The first two because I am on high TRT and the last one because I supplement with creatine daily.
I attribute this to eating a very clean diet, consistent training, and a very clean lifestyle free of any alcohol or drugs, other than AAS.
I may be a lucky one. Maybe I have an angel watching over me in heaven. Based on my personal experiences, and all the studies I read before I started using gear, I just can’t see long term damage being done by one 12-wk run of 400 migs of Test.
There are other risks to consider besides just “long term damage” but I’ll assume you’ve read enough before now to be aware of them.
Best of luck, and good health, to you in whatever you decide.
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