Post workout cereal

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For the record, I think Surge is a great product for all those who can afford it.

Secondly, (as per cpa’s post about fructose), many breakfast cereals use sucrose as their primary sugar. Sucrose, as you know, is made up of glucose and FRUCTOSE. NOTE: Does not give rise to increases in blood sugar.

Anywho, my point wasn’t whether it works in the first place. The overall question (after the initial question of which cereal works) was is it healthy. In the end I don’t care, because if I’m dieting hard you won’t find me eating it. When I’m just maintaining you probably will, but you won’t see me calling it healthy. :slight_smile:

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RE: Sucrose (from The Carb Roundtable, Part II):

“Back to sucrose. Sucrose, like lactose, is a disaccharide that’s formed when glucose and fructose join. Sucrose is, by far, the most abundant source of dietary carbohydrate in the Western world and while its glycemic index is lower than that of glucose, it’s still substantially higher than fructose. Therefore, when sucrose is digested, it can have both a high glycemic index and be lipogenic.”

(Wierd that Fruity Pebbles keeps coming out on top, ain’t it? j/k )

I’m like you, Kinetix…when I’m dieting, I wouldn’t be eating this ‘junk food’…even though that MAY not make perfect sense. Next time I go to gain, I think I’m going to eat some ‘crap.’

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Can anyone reccomend a good cereal for post workout which is available in the uk, we don’t have smart start of Lucky charms here?? Would Kellogs Cornflakes be ok???

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“Are we poisoning ourselves every time we do that (ie. killing ourselves just a little bit with each ‘cheat?’) I don’t think so. Matter of fact, I’d be willing to bet that eating Lucky Charms as 7% of your diet has zero effect on overall health given the rest of your intake was good. I can’t prove it, of course, but it can’t be disproven, either.”

So basically you’re saying that what you just said means absolutely nothing.

Hey, I’m sure cereal can work to gain muscle. I don’t doubt that one bit. It’s just a pretty darn unhealthy choice.

“One question though: how would you serve them? You can’t use butter, as fat is not in the cards PWO.”

Yes, fat is fine post-workout. This has been covered in T-Mag articles and I have posted on it before. Fat is used for energy post-workout. It is not stored as fat. And if you want calories after a workout, then you can’t beat 9 calories/gram that fats offer. Not to mention nutrients that are found in real fats that are used for protein synthesis (vitamin A, which is found in butter).

You can use milk or sour cream. I personally use sour cream to make the mashed potatoes.

“As far as fruit, is fruit not high in fructose?”

Yes, but they’re not all fructose. I don’t know the make-up of all fruits, but I’ve heard that white grapes, for example, have a lot of glucose in them. Second, there was something in a T-Mag article about how adding fructose to your post-workout shake could help with something…I forget exactly what it was. It might have been in those three articles “the real world” or something like that. So if you have a good base of non-fructose carbs for your post-workout meal/shake/whatever, then the addition of fructose supposedly is good. Not to mention fruits have good nutrients in them…dates are particularly high in potassium.

I dunno. Cereal will work. No doubt. I just want people to think about healthy alternatives.

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Jay,

How about that Nestle Cookie breakfast stuff?

BMF

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cpa,

You’ve made several good points. Perhaps on day during a bulking cycle I’ll eat some candy cereal too.

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So basically you’re saying that what you just said means absolutely nothing.

No, I was saying that attempting to draw any parallel, or even using an example to illustrate a similarity, between eating ‘a little bit of poison’ and 7% of your weekly intake from Lucky Charms is absurd.

Yes, fat is fine post-workout. This has been covered in T-Mag articles and I have posted on it before.

Maybe it IS fine. I was under the impression (from reading) that fat decreased the insulin response from a meal. While searching for (and finding) passages that eluded to that, I also found this (in "The Fat Roundtable, Part I):

“Meals with a high carbohydrate content in combination with high-fat meals can actually promote a synergistic insulin release when compared to the two alone.”

But why, then, does Surge, ‘The Perfect Post Workout Drink,’ contain only 1.5 grams of fat? I scanned most of Berardi’s articles and did not find an answer. I believe even Chad Waterbury gives recommendations for moderate protein, high carb, and low fat PWO foods.

I wonder why this is…could it be because PWO is a time when your body can’t get any benefit from fat intake beyond what it would get throughout the rest of the non-PWO day? Would any calories that were brought in in the form of fat be ‘wasted’ in the sense that you could have replaced them with the other macronutrients that do? And/or would the consumption of fat cause satiety, making it less likely that the average trainee could get back to the food table 60 minutes PWO? I don’t know, but I’d like to find this out.

I Dunno. Cereal will work. No doubt. I just want people to think about healthy alternatives.

I can see how a guy or gal that doesn’t take the time to fully understand the rationale behind the PWO meal leading to a general ‘junk cereal is OK’ attitude. I can also see, as Seminole Chick pointed out to me in a PM, that some people don’t want to introduce crap food into their diet at all because they think it’ll open the door to other cravings/temptations. And I can see being leary of ‘Super Frosted Cocoa Pebbles’ for the simple fact that this food wasn’t around thousands of years ago when our bodies were designed.

My feeling is just that Captain Crunch PWO most likely works and there isn’t going to be a big decline in general health (if there is one at all) from consuming it 7% of the time. Psychologically, if it helps you to ‘endulge’ every once in while, that’s gotta be a good thing…if you walk around feeling deprived, as I would if I had to eat something I hate PWO every day (potatoes,) I’m guessing that there’s gotta be some sort of mind-body connection that would fail to some extent. And if you’re gonna cheat a little, why not do it at the absolute best possible time to do so?

I guess the bottom line is that if you stay lean, gain muscle, and remain in good general health you are ahead of 99.9% of the world, no matter how you go about that.