Brother, you’re killin’ me! You think Das EFX is more “name brand” than A Tribe Called Quest? That’s insane! If you put 100 casual hip hop fans from that era in a room most of 'em would know “they want efx”, but that’s it from Das. All of 'em would be able to give you at least 3 or 4 songs from Tribe.
“Casual” is the term. Casual don’t know shit I’m talking real hip hop son…and I was there…from the beginning - former dj.
Shit, put 100 die hard hip hop fans in the same room and I bet the outcome would be the same, just with more total songs known on both sides. Tribe is one of the most influential hip hop groups of all time, and their “catalogue” is much more well known. Your personal preference doesn’t = universal appeal.
As I thought, you’re into that “radio” hip hop
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You initially claimed that my choices were “obscure” and now you’re claiming I’m into “radio” hip hop? Which is it man?!?!?
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Whats wrong with Tribe and Brand NubiaN?
TheBodyGuard wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
You initially claimed that my choices were “obscure” and now you’re claiming I’m into “radio” hip hop? Which is it man?!?!?
A few were obscure, the others were “radio”.
Damn, I mean, did anyone at least post criminal minded yet? You serious about qtip and company? What’s next, the brand nubians? LOL
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Absolutely nothing. In fact they’re amongst the best and most influential acts in hip hop history. Bodyguard feels the need to let everyone know how cool he is every chance he gets, even though he generally talks out of his ass, like saying Das efx is awesome but Tribe, Pete Rock, the Pharcyde and Naughty By Nature are obscure. I mean, seriously?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Absolutely nothing. In fact they’re amongst the best and most influential acts in hip hop history. Bodyguard feels the need to let everyone know how cool he is every chance he gets, even though he generally talks out of his ass, like saying Das efx is awesome but Tribe, Pete Rock, the Pharcyde and Naughty By Nature are obscure. I mean, seriously?[/quote]
Oh calm down. Just said it’s not my twist. tip is a faggot…so sue me. pharcyde hardly an icon of hip hop…naughty by nature i’m with that - some of it. don’t get your flash whities in a bunch. music is highly personal. and i’m too old to worry about whether you think i’m cool.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Absolutely nothing. In fact they’re amongst the best and most influential acts in hip hop history. Bodyguard feels the need to let everyone know how cool he is every chance he gets, even though he generally talks out of his ass, like saying Das efx is awesome but Tribe, Pete Rock, the Pharcyde and Naughty By Nature are obscure. I mean, seriously?
Oh calm down. Just said it’s not my twist. tip is a faggot…so sue me. pharcyde hardly an icon of hip hop…naughty by nature i’m with that - some of it. don’t get your flash whities in a bunch. music is highly personal. and i’m too old to worry about whether you think i’m cool.
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And yet you felt the need to reply to this by calling Q-tip “a faggot” and saying the Pharcyde arent hip hop icons. You’re right, music is highly personal. In fact I said that already. But, you can’t let personal tastes interfere with the truth. My favorite movie of all-time is True Romance, but that doesn’t make it the best.
Well tell us then, since you insist, what is the truth? Were you there? Or were you running around playing power rangers in the early 90’s? Tell us the “truth” according to your “opinion”. A bit of a paradox right? Music is personal, thus “truth” as it concerns music is likewise subject to differing opinions.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Well tell us then, since you insist, what is the truth? Were you there? Or were you running around playing power rangers in the early 90’s? Tell us the “truth” according to your “opinion”. A bit of a paradox right? Music is personal, thus “truth” as it concerns music is likewise subject to differing opinions.[/quote]
Dude, why do you insist on arguing when you’re so clearly wrong? The TRUTH is that bands like A Tribe Called Quest and The Pharcyde are two of the most influential bands in hip hop history. That indesputable fact can’t be argued, and trying to do so is like puting white walls on a garbage truck: it don’t make sense. When I was playing with my power rangers and bumping 97.9 you should’ve taken your headphones off and listened to what was going on around you instead of just what you had in your record crate.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Dude, why do you insist on arguing when you’re so clearly wrong? The TRUTH is that bands like A Tribe Called Quest and The Pharcyde are two of the most influential bands in hip hop history. That indesputable fact can’t be argued, and trying to do so is like puting white walls on a garbage truck: it don’t make sense. When I was playing with my power rangers and bumping 97.9 you should’ve taken your headphones off and listened to what was going on around you instead of just what you had in your record crate.[/quote]
Who did these alternative rap groups influence? The likes of de la soul? Only a white kid from Texas would argue that an alternative rap group was “two of the most influential bands in hip hop history”. That statement is just plain IGNORANT. State your case.
I could go on and on about “influential” hip hop artists/bands…pharcyde and tribe called quest wouldn’t make the top 10, yet they are “two of THE most influential” to you.
What about…
Public Enemy
Schooly D
BDP
NWA
Wu Tang
Furious Five
RUN DMC
They gave birth to whole generations of hip hop…not “alternative” shit. I could continue this list.
Just for giggles, here is a random list from a site…for giggles. Not that I subscribe to any of its “authority”, but your boys Tribe, make 12, pharcyde somewhere in the 80’s, yet they are “two of the most influential”. The list has some very questionable and sometimes in my opinion redundant entries, but you get the point.
And after revisiting Tribe’s discography, I’m willing to let them in the argument as “influential”, not one of the “two most”. They certainly deserve to be in a discussion about “influence”. But pharcyde I’m not so sure I’d be willing to concede.
And we could take a big knife to that list if we keep those that fathered a style and cut those that merely followed successfully. When we speak in terms of influence, we talk of fathering a sound, a style, a genre - in my mind, not necessarily those that took that blueprint and followed.
One could argue that for instance, the Cold Crush Brothers “fathered” RUN DMC - and I don’t think RUN DMC would give you an argument otherwise. But most people could not see beyond RUN DMCs success and Cold Crush Brothers relative obscurity to recognize the distinction. Continuing, Public Enemy was a distinct sound, a distinct style a distinct genre. Likewise NWA. But Big Pun? 50 Cent?
Where I’m going with this is that it’s highly personal, highly judgmental and highly subjective. What criteria do you want to put on “influential”? Progenitor of a style/sound or, record sales?
I am a big fan of tribe and all of native toungue for that matter, I have no idea why anyone calls it alternative because there is nothing alternative about Tribe or De La. While certainly not the most influential groups of all time…there is no doubt that Tribe is influential, in fact I would think Tribe was influential to the pharcyde. I would have to agree about Pharcyde, while some great singles and interesting, influential may be going a bit far. It can be said that the Native Tongue crew (JBs, De La Soul, Red Alert,Tribe and Prince Paul) were and are great influences to hip hop period. Though if asked I would say they would take great exzception with the alternative label.
Tribes rhymes were always well thought out complex (at times) and scanned the realm of possibilities. While maybe not as influential or a trend setter say such as Schooly D, but certainly better and more talented (IMO) but Im not gonna call Schooly D a fag just because I kind think his stuff is a bit simple.
What do you mean “were you there?” I consider myself there. As a 13 year old, sneaking into shows, taping Mr. Magic and Red alert on the radio, loving all the music and idolizing them as a child. Does that mean there? I lived and ate the music because I loved and still love it. No I wasnt down with Run-DMC or the Juice Crew or BDP, does that mean I wasnt there? I dont get that, I was in love with it so I was there.
I would have to say also your in quite the minority when talking about Brand Nubian as well, when considering simply their singles, (Brand Nubian, Slow Down, All for one, Hold On, Love me or leave me alone) to name of few makes them a classic hip hop group.
I’m talking real hip hop son…and I was there…from the beginning - former dj.
