Post Early 90s Hip Hop Only

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
artw wrote:

Jurassic 5’s first two albums
Jay Z: The Black Album

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I don’t know how anyone can take The Black Album over Reasonable Doubt. All of Jay-Z’s other albums are subpar in comparison, he sell’s out and makes bubble-gum rap devoid of lyrical content. Although you can’t blame him can you.[/quote]

No, I posted that because he posted albums from the 2000s, way after the early 90s.

And I’m not sure about the other things you posted. My favourite Jay-Z album is The Blueprint, and while I wouldn’t necessarily say that The Black Album is better than Reasonable Doubt [it’s those damn Neptunes songs], I sure listen to that album more often.

His post-Reasonable Doubt discography is still very good overall. Good beats, good lyrics, great flow, and he built a great persona for himself. and remained a big player in the game for longer than any other rapper. A lot of guys can do the gangsta rap thing well, and did especially in the 90s, Jay-Z’s got something unique.

And I don’t know what you meant by bubble-gum rap, but Jay-Z’s pop-rap [and pop-rap in general] is hard to make. It’s not easy, I don’t know why people think it is.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
artw wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
artw wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
artw wrote:
Cypress Hill: anything from Black Sunday or Temples of Boom
Wu-Tang Clan: Enter the Wu-Tang and Wu-Tang Forever
First solo albums by Raekwon, ODB, GZA, and Method Man
anything by Ghostface Killa
Nas: Illmatic
anything by Gang Starr
Jurassic 5’s first two albums
Dr. Dre: The Chronic
Ice Cube: Amerikka’s Most Wanted
Jay Z: The Black Album

anything else from the million and one times this thread, or a slight variation of it, has been posted in the past.

Guessin’ you didn’t read the title of the thread before you posted, huh?

I don’t give a fuck what the title said.

Wow you’re cool.

Give me a break man. Temples of Boom, Wu-Tang Forever, all the Wu solo albums, all but two of Gang Starr’s albums, Illmatic, Jurassic 5 and The Black Album are all post-early 90’s hip hop albums. So I threw a couple of early 90’s albums in there. All of those others are '94 or later, which clearly makes them mid-90’s or later, thus I did read the title of the thread.

He didn’t mean post as in ‘after’ he meant post as in ‘post in this thread’ stuff from the early 90s.

And then the “I don’t give a fuck…”, what was that for? He wasn’t exactly being rude.

Hence the sarcastic “wow you’re cool”.[/quote]

okay, I am now taking my foot out of mouth.

Early 90’s, well aside from the above, anything from PE that qualifies as early 90’s. I liked Black Sheep’s first album, Cypress Hill’s first two albums, Onyx, Dead Prez to name a few favorite acts from back then. As for The Black Album, I put that one down over Reasonable Doubt since my two favorite Jay Z songs are 99 Problems and Dirt Off Your Shoulder.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
SSC wrote:
Wol, you can’t tell me you didn’t know that what - 70% or so of the rap/hip-hop industry is supported by white people.

By the way, here’s a song by Ras Kaas about racism. He’s a really fucking good lyricist and this song is something you’d expect to hear come from Immortal Technique.

I just don’t see how it appeals to a white person.
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We may not be able to dance or play basketball very well, but the white man has always been able to identify good music.

After all, Rap and Hip-Hop is pretty Westernized with its central focus of the verse + chorus structure, something manifested through Anglo-Saxons, medieval times, and then through the Renaissance and classical senses, etc.

I have no interest in decapitating and molesting dead bodies, but I love death metal as well… I think your argument is flawed. You’re just trying to suppress whitey.

EDIT: I was thinking this over. There’s several things you’re missing.

1.) A dope beat is a dope beat, no matter what your skin color is. Personally, lyrics are totally a second priority. If you can find a solid tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPZ2-FVcM3M&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_stronger_r2-HM) why can’t you just recognize that you enjoy it and move on? Why does it matter what someone else likes?

2.) Not all lyrics are equal in their content. Some guys talk about selling crack and shooting gang members, others rap about smoking and weed and drinking booze - something a lot of white people (and everyone of all colors) can identify with.

3.) They even have rap in Japan, and it’s big. 'Nuff said.

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[quote]artw wrote:

okay, I am now taking my foot out of mouth.

Early 90’s, well aside from the above, anything from PE that qualifies as early 90’s. I liked Black Sheep’s first album, Cypress Hill’s first two albums, Onyx, Dead Prez to name a few favorite acts from back then. As for The Black Album, I put that one down over Reasonable Doubt since my two favorite Jay Z songs are 99 Problems and Dirt Off Your Shoulder.[/quote]

Fair enough.

And FWIW I listen to The Black Album way more than Reasonable Doubt.

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I dont know whi said, nor do I care, but someone said “I just dont see how it appeals to a white person”

I simply dont get the comment. I love hip hop espescially that of 88 - 97 ilk. For me hip hop tastes always seem more regional the racial. Most of the hip hop I love is almost exclusively hip hop from NY/NJ and Philly. Im from NYC and felt an allegiance and a comfort in this style of hip hop. While I like some hip hop from the west or down south, most of it I could care less.

As KRS said “mainly what I write is for the average new yorker.” and I guess if KRS was following your logic he wouldnt of done colabs with REM, or Onyx with Biohazard or PE with Anthrax.

Shit even the godfather of hip-hop DJ Kool Herc got many of his ideas of break beats and the such from a German WHITE seminal group called Kraftwerk. So I guess white people were part of hip hop all along, not just Rick Rubin and the beastie boys…or um house of pain jump around jump around…yeah good one.

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scattershooting:

Black Sheep for sure…

Black, White, other … most racial divide shit has about 10% race and 90% classism applied. The thought there is this shared appearance by race is almost comical. White kids in the trailer park have no idea how the kids in the mcmansions live… and most actual africans think african-americans are cotton candy soft. By and large rap music is about the AMERICAN inner city experience. ((yes i know inner cities everywhere have grabbed onto this but most rappers are totally ignorant of those other countries)) It’s not limited to that but that’s what it mostly entails. Disenfranchisement is a huge theme and “the man” gets targeted but it gets targeted just as heavily by young, broke, white rappers…

My vote for best lyricist of all-time is Rakim so nod to the link above for that one.

Jay Z: Interesting discussing Jay because opinions are so sharp in regards to him. I have nothing but respect for him. He has never hid he got into this to make money; and make money he does. --you can put me anywhere on God’s green earth and I will triple my worth" End of the day the guy has done what very few can, climb from projects to penthouses and he has done so (mostly) legally. He can now buy a piece of the Nets and he can run record labels. Dissing him is spitting in the wind. All he ever needs is a little motivation to drop a ridiculous battle rhyme on someone’s head. I actually like In my Lifetime quite a lot and think reasonable doubt is at least slightly overrated though still elite. I generally grab 22 2’s and reasonable doubt to add them to large playlists with his other stuff. No need to just listen to a single CD with Jay. The Black Album has some good stuff and Rick Rubin’s influence is nice but I don’t play it anymore than the blueprint or in my lifetime.
As D.O.A proved Jay will always have a means of addressing the masses and selling music.

Regional shit: That is really sad to be honest. NYC fell all the way the heck off for a while. It just did. Cali and that gangster rap with Dre producing most of it jumped up. I have always enjoyed East Coast stuff but to ignore other areas is really missing the boat. I am from the south obviously and detest most of the recent crap the South has put out. But Scarface is a bonafied legend and UGK was insanely underrated for a long, long time. 8ball and MJG and many others were top notch especially with bringing club beats that one could bump in their rides. When I visited NYC in the late 80’s all those NYC cats were on some house music tip and didn’t really care much about rap. I was shocked.

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^ Hold I cannot help but like what I like and for the most part I did not like G funk NWA, Quik and the sort. Thats sad, it simply a matter of taste and what I liked. I dont think theres anything sad about it.

And as far as falling off, I found that the time where in your words “NYC fell all the way the heck off” was a time where NYC had acts that I absolutely loved and could care less about what was popular in the country.

I believe region has alot to do with what you like, rap from the South and West I dont for the most part care for, its not for me, plain and simple not that it was bad I just couldnt relate.

As far as you saying that NYC was not about rap in the late 80s is just not true, in fact it was a legendary time for NYC and hip hop as The Bridge and BDP legendary battle was brewing and we were all about it. The Juice Crew was ripping it up.

and while house music had an influence when you consider the Jungle Brothers and Twin hype it was still hip hop. You say the best MC is Rakim and I whole heartedly agree but wait when was he at his besT? I would say 85 - 90 where you said NYC didnt care about rap. Sorry total bullshit.

Paid in Full (then best single ever IMO) came out in 88! so did follow the leader and move the crowd, late 80s and hip hop classics. I aint no joke came out in 87. I could go on and on…but just because NYC hip wasnt heard as much on a country wide scale when “gangsta rap” was huge does not mean there was not a scene, in fact it was at its best when everyone wasnt paying attention but us from NY/NJ and Philly.

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Maybe try:
Black Moon
Juggaknots
Lords of the Underground

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont know whi said, nor do I care, but someone said “I just dont see how it appeals to a white person”

I simply dont get the comment. I love hip hop espescially that of 88 - 97 ilk. For me hip hop tastes always seem more regional the racial. Most of the hip hop I love is almost exclusively hip hop from NY/NJ and Philly. Im from NYC and felt an allegiance and a comfort in this style of hip hop. While I like some hip hop from the west or down south, most of it I could care less.

As KRS said “mainly what I write is for the average new yorker.” and I guess if KRS was following your logic he wouldnt of done colabs with REM, or Onyx with Biohazard or PE with Anthrax.

Shit even the godfather of hip-hop DJ Kool Herc got many of his ideas of break beats and the such from a German WHITE seminal group called Kraftwerk. So I guess white people were part of hip hop all along, not just Rick Rubin and the beastie boys…or um house of pain jump around jump around…yeah good one.[/quote]

I think he meant that particular song that deals with a black man facing racism, not hip hop/rap music as a whole.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Your thread title is misleading. The golden era of rap/hip-hop was the early 90’s, but you’re requesting post 90’s golden era rap/hip-hop. Doesn’t makes sense. Anyway, I’ll hit ya’ll with a lil’ something…

All time favorite remix- - YouTube

That’s just to get ya’ll started. I could literally do this all day.[/quote]

smif n wesson, das efx and craig mack are about the only ones from that list above that gets any play…the others are pretty damn obscure.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:

Your thread title is misleading. The golden era of rap/hip-hop was the early 90’s, but you’re requesting post 90’s golden era rap/hip-hop. Doesn’t makes sense. Anyway, I’ll hit ya’ll with a lil’ something…

All time favorite remix- - YouTube

That’s just to get ya’ll started. I could literally do this all day.

smif n wesson, das efx and craig mack are about the only ones from that list above that gets any play…the others are pretty damn obscure.

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You’re from Jersey and you think Pete Rock, Tribe, and NBN are obscure? The three you listed are way more obscure than anyone else on the list you quoted, aside from Ahmad and Kid Sensation maybe.

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I can’t believe you guys leaving philly off this shit. Please.

Krown Rulers

Tuff Crew

Cool C

3x Dope

Schooly D

EDIT:

Others

DJ Jazzy Jeff
DJ Spinbad (the real one)
DJ Cash Money
DJ Tat Money
Cosmic Kev
Poor Righteous Teachers
Steady B
DJ Miz

I could go on and on and on. Don’t get me started Philly runs this shit and still does.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
You’re from Jersey and you think Pete Rock, Tribe, and NBN are obscure? The three you listed are way more obscure than anyone else on the list you quoted, aside from Ahmad and Kid Sensation maybe.[/quote]

off brand in my opinion. will they reminisce? eh.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
You’re from Jersey and you think Pete Rock, Tribe, and NBN are obscure? The three you listed are way more obscure than anyone else on the list you quoted, aside from Ahmad and Kid Sensation maybe.

off brand in my opinion. will they reminisce? eh.

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Brother, you’re killin’ me! You think Das EFX is more “name brand” than A Tribe Called Quest? That’s insane! If you put 100 casual hip hop fans from that era in a room most of 'em would know “they want efx”, but that’s it from Das. All of 'em would be able to give you at least 3 or 4 songs from Tribe.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Brother, you’re killin’ me! You think Das EFX is more “name brand” than A Tribe Called Quest? That’s insane! If you put 100 casual hip hop fans from that era in a room most of 'em would know “they want efx”, but that’s it from Das. All of 'em would be able to give you at least 3 or 4 songs from Tribe.[/quote]

Dude I hail from Scotland and even i know 90% of the gear you posted.

Mind you we take our music seriously over here

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Brother, you’re killin’ me! You think Das EFX is more “name brand” than A Tribe Called Quest? That’s insane! If you put 100 casual hip hop fans from that era in a room most of 'em would know “they want efx”, but that’s it from Das. All of 'em would be able to give you at least 3 or 4 songs from Tribe.[/quote]

“Casual” is the term. Casual don’t know shit :slight_smile: I’m talking real hip hop son…and I was there…from the beginning - former dj.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:

Brother, you’re killin’ me! You think Das EFX is more “name brand” than A Tribe Called Quest? That’s insane! If you put 100 casual hip hop fans from that era in a room most of 'em would know “they want efx”, but that’s it from Das. All of 'em would be able to give you at least 3 or 4 songs from Tribe.

“Casual” is the term. Casual don’t know shit :slight_smile: I’m talking real hip hop son…and I was there…from the beginning - former dj.
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Shit, put 100 die hard hip hop fans in the same room and I bet the outcome would be the same, just with more total songs known on both sides. Tribe is one of the most influential hip hop groups of all time, and their “catalogue” is much more well known. Your personal preference doesn’t = universal appeal.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:

Brother, you’re killin’ me! You think Das EFX is more “name brand” than A Tribe Called Quest? That’s insane! If you put 100 casual hip hop fans from that era in a room most of 'em would know “they want efx”, but that’s it from Das. All of 'em would be able to give you at least 3 or 4 songs from Tribe.

“Casual” is the term. Casual don’t know shit :slight_smile: I’m talking real hip hop son…and I was there…from the beginning - former dj.

Shit, put 100 die hard hip hop fans in the same room and I bet the outcome would be the same, just with more total songs known on both sides. Tribe is one of the most influential hip hop groups of all time, and their “catalogue” is much more well known. Your personal preference doesn’t = universal appeal.[/quote]

As I thought, you’re into that “radio” hip hop :slight_smile:

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