Post Christmas Cut

Any advice on my workout and diet will be apreciated.

Mon-Upper 1
Tue-Lower 1
Wed-Off
Thu-Upper 2
Fri-Lower 2
Sat-Off
Sun-Circuit

Upper 1

5 baslistic push ups*
Incline barbell press to falure 8-10 ish*
flat Barbell press*
Triset

Bentover row 5x5
millitary press 5x5
snatch 6x3

Lower 1

Jump squat/explosive squat 6x3
Deadlift 5x5
Stif leg deadlift 5x5
Polquin seated cable crunch 4x8
Tate side bend 4x8

Upper 2

Flat bench 5x5
Pull up 5x5
Push press 5x5
widegrip up right row 5x5
snach 6x3

Lower 2

Dumbell swing 10x4
Front squat 5x5
Leg press widow makers x3
Ab roll out 4x8/10
side plank 40secs x4

Diet

Meal 1

4eggs+330ml orange juice

510 kcal
33.5g protien
29.7g carbs

Meal 2

100g chicken breast + 100g Peas

175 kcal
30g Protien
9.3g Carbs

Meal 3

200g Cod + 100g lentils

222 kcal
40g protien
13.2g carbs

Meal 4

80g tuna

91.2 kcals
21.6g protien
0g carbs

Meal 5

150g lean beef + 100 grams of peas

259 kcal
36.1g protien
9.3g carbs

Meal 6

150g lean beef

189kcal
30.45g protien

totals

1407 kcals per off day
185g protien
61.5g carbs

On a workout day meal 4 is relaced by a pre and post workout shake:
Total Calories: 250
Protein: 37g
Total Carbohydrates: 17.03g
per serving so 1 before 1 after.

Workout day
1724kcals
237.4g protien
95.56g carbs

Meal timings

1 6:30
2 10:00
3 12:40
4 4:00 (workout)
5 6:30
6 before bed (10:00)

supplements
Fat burner
Pre-post workout shake
Amino acids 2tabs 3 times daily
mabye peri workout intenisfier

any sergestions would be great.

Yeah, i like how your workout revolves primarily around the 5x5. That is excellent for those spurts of strength.

Thanks, Yea the heavy lifting is the stuff thats gona scare your body into retaining size so im gona keep to that, theres just no need for doing high rep stuff when cutting. And I would love to gain a little strength during the cut as well if possible.

My freind is bigger then me but im stronger, so I was thinking that during a cut surly being stronger, so lifting more weights then my freind, yet doing the same program, I would burn more calories due to the heavyer weights, then he would in the workout, therefore making it easier to loose weight. If that makes sence. Is that true, therefore therortically making it “easier” for strong powerlifters to slim down when cutting, then say a bodybuilder, and if so surly, strength should have a part in a bodybuilders program, thereofor allowing him to cut down easier, due to the higher expenditure when training, just my speculation tho, any thoughts?

Just cause bodybuilders aren’t powerlifters doesn’t mean they’re weak…

yea I know but if they were stronger… because it gets to the point where muscle gains doesn’t equal strength gains or bodybuilders would be the strongest, therefore becomeing stronger could have benifits?

Energy expenditure has more to do with the the amount of muscle mass used. Therefore the bodybuilder with the bigger muscles should actually be able to burn fat the fastest. However, this is only relevant if the relative intensity is equal for both.

If you are 6ft and 180lbs as stated in your profile. I think your calories are too low for the start of the cut. In my opinion Orange Juice shouldn’t be included in a cut, too much sugar.

[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
Energy expenditure has more to do with the the amount of muscle mass used. Therefore the bodybuilder with the bigger muscles should actually be able to burn fat the fastest. However, this is only relevant if the relative intensity is equal for both. [/quote]

So why would having more muscle mass, but lifting a smaller weight equal more energy, then slightly less muscle mass and more weight. surly the large weight requires more work to move therefore more calories. Im not saying your wrong but I just don’t understand why.

[quote]ACTrain wrote:
If you are 6ft and 180lbs as stated in your profile. I think your calories are too low for the start of the cut. In my opinion Orange Juice shouldn’t be included in a cut, too much sugar.
[/quote]

Yea my current stats are 5’11 ( was a bit optamistic with the first one) at around 190 so what you said applys even more. So what would you add in? A peanut butter shake before bed, or possibly replacing the eggs and OJ with porrage and a protien shake?

[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]ACTrain wrote:
If you are 6ft and 180lbs as stated in your profile. I think your calories are too low for the start of the cut. In my opinion Orange Juice shouldn’t be included in a cut, too much sugar.
[/quote]

Yea my current stats are 5’11 ( was a bit optamistic with the first one) at around 190 so what you said applys even more. So what would you add in? A peanut butter shake before bed, or possibly replacing the eggs and OJ with porrage and a protien shake?[/quote]

I’d stick to mostly protein and fats. I start a cut around 2800 calories/day average and every 2 weeks take an assesment, if necessary I will drop calories by 250 to 500. I’ve never cut on as low as calories as you are mentioning.

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[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
Energy expenditure has more to do with the the amount of muscle mass used. Therefore the bodybuilder with the bigger muscles should actually be able to burn fat the fastest. However, this is only relevant if the relative intensity is equal for both. [/quote]

So why would having more muscle mass, but lifting a smaller weight equal more energy, then slightly less muscle mass and more weight. surly the large weight requires more work to move therefore more calories. Im not saying your wrong but I just don’t understand why.[/quote]

Dude, unless the weight you are moving is SIGNIFICANTLY heavier…as in 100’s of pounds heavier, trying to act like your 15-20 extra pounds of weight moved is going to equal so many extra calories burned as to even acknowledge it is ridiculous.

I could see if one of you was benching 185lbs and the other was benching over 405lbs. THEN we could act like the weight and intensity during training would result in substantially more calories burned including added stress to the system as a whole.

In general, the more body mass is being moved, the more calories it takes to sustain that mass, not just during training, but ALL DAY LONG.

Also, why do I get the feeling that if we actually saw a picture of the OP, that none of us would be recommending he actually lose a lot of body weight?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, why do I get the feeling that if we actually saw a picture of the OP, that none of us would be recommending he actually lose a lot of body weight?[/quote]

Because the thread is entitled “post christmas cut” and this is T-Nation.

[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]ACTrain wrote:
If you are 6ft and 180lbs as stated in your profile. I think your calories are too low for the start of the cut. In my opinion Orange Juice shouldn’t be included in a cut, too much sugar.
[/quote]

Yea my current stats are 5’11 ( was a bit optamistic with the first one) at around 190 so what you said applys even more. So what would you add in? A peanut butter shake before bed, or possibly replacing the eggs and OJ with porrage and a protien shake?[/quote]

What are your goals? Do you consider that at 190 after Christmas, you’ll need to cut? Don’t you think it can be a loss of time if higher goals want to be attained? If your happy with your current size, this is not the forum for you.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
Energy expenditure has more to do with the the amount of muscle mass used. Therefore the bodybuilder with the bigger muscles should actually be able to burn fat the fastest. However, this is only relevant if the relative intensity is equal for both. [/quote]

So why would having more muscle mass, but lifting a smaller weight equal more energy, then slightly less muscle mass and more weight. surly the large weight requires more work to move therefore more calories. Im not saying your wrong but I just don’t understand why.[/quote]

Dude, unless the weight you are moving is SIGNIFICANTLY heavier…as in 100’s of pounds heavier, trying to act like your 15-20 extra pounds of weight moved is going to equal so many extra calories burned as to even acknowledge it is ridiculous.

I could see if one of you was benching 185lbs and the other was benching over 405lbs. THEN we could act like the weight and intensity during training would result in substantially more calories burned including added stress to the system as a whole.

In general, the more body mass is being moved, the more calories it takes to sustain that mass, not just during training, but ALL DAY LONG.[/quote]

haha yea I understand what your saying, I was using myself as a example rather then the rule so to speak. It was just one of thouse things that popped in to my head.

[quote]dyeguy1212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, why do I get the feeling that if we actually saw a picture of the OP, that none of us would be recommending he actually lose a lot of body weight?[/quote]

Because the thread is entitled “post christmas cut” and this is T-Nation.[/quote]

Haha fair point but when I come to feel uncomfortable in myself due to feeling I am carrying to much fat around then I think it is time to cut a little. This is not a new years atempt to loose weight, but due to the bulk up I have been doing since this time last year I think I deserve a cut to make me feel a little less fat.

[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]dyeguy1212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, why do I get the feeling that if we actually saw a picture of the OP, that none of us would be recommending he actually lose a lot of body weight?[/quote]

Because the thread is entitled “post christmas cut” and this is T-Nation.[/quote]

Haha fair point but when I come to feel uncomfortable in myself due to feeling I am carrying to much fat around then I think it is time to cut a little. This is not a new years atempt to loose weight, but due to the bulk up I have been doing since this time last year I think I deserve a cut to make me feel a little less fat.
[/quote]

I wouldn’t trust anyone here who has no pics up anywhere to be able to discern whether they were even gaining mostly muscle. For instance, if someone gains 20lbs in 2-3 months and 15lbs or more was muscle, they would be extremely foolish to start dropping weight immediately simply because they “felt fat”.

Also, unless you have held any new gains you have made for a long period of time, you might as well say good bye to most of it if you rush down in body weight.

[quote]MEYMZ wrote:

[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]ACTrain wrote:
If you are 6ft and 180lbs as stated in your profile. I think your calories are too low for the start of the cut. In my opinion Orange Juice shouldn’t be included in a cut, too much sugar.
[/quote]

Yea my current stats are 5’11 ( was a bit optamistic with the first one) at around 190 so what you said applys even more. So what would you add in? A peanut butter shake before bed, or possibly replacing the eggs and OJ with porrage and a protien shake?[/quote]

What are your goals? Do you consider that at 190 after Christmas, you’ll need to cut? Don’t you think it can be a loss of time if higher goals want to be attained? If your happy with your current size, this is not the forum for you.
[/quote]

Sorry the 190 wrong, im atually 198 weighted my self yesterday. So thouse cals are definatlly on the low side.

My long term goal is 220 lean. Which I think to be a respectable size by anyones standard. So obviously I have a good 40 pounds left to add to my frame. I have atempted to twice during that year of bulking, and both times I got at most 2 weeks in and went what am I doing, what a waste of time I could have gained size, and dropped the deit. But I think that if I get lean like 8% bf then I will be happier in my self and could boost my confidence, by seeing more results due to being leaner. Obviously my bf would increase after but if I could stay around 12 bf, during the bulk then I would be happier, rather then the 17-20 (guessing) I am now.

I think my greatest enemy during my cutting will be my self saying that im wasting my time.

I got to ask Prof X what was the perfect rep workouts like for u when u were with CT, because I tried one and I’ve got to say I wasn’t that impressed at the end of it, I mean I did the reps to what the aticles and threads said, obviously I just may have been wrong in my execution but I did try to follow it to the T. I am a bit weary to follow the thing at the moment without some more evidence. Obviously CT knows alot more then me but it’s just the program is so different to anything that I know and understand.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]dyeguy1212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, why do I get the feeling that if we actually saw a picture of the OP, that none of us would be recommending he actually lose a lot of body weight?[/quote]

Because the thread is entitled “post christmas cut” and this is T-Nation.[/quote]

Haha fair point but when I come to feel uncomfortable in myself due to feeling I am carrying to much fat around then I think it is time to cut a little. This is not a new years atempt to loose weight, but due to the bulk up I have been doing since this time last year I think I deserve a cut to make me feel a little less fat.
[/quote]

I wouldn’t trust anyone here who has no pics up anywhere to be able to discern whether they were even gaining mostly muscle. For instance, if someone gains 20lbs in 2-3 months and 15lbs or more was muscle, they would be extremely foolish to start dropping weight immediately simply because they “felt fat”.

Also, unless you have held any new gains you have made for a long period of time, you might as well say good bye to most of it if you rush down in body weight.[/quote]

Haha I hate you. Now im gona be shit scared of loosing too much muscle. I think I’ve gained resonable muscle to fat. hmm im a little confussed of what to do know thanks guys haha.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]11kamita wrote:

[quote]dyeguy1212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, why do I get the feeling that if we actually saw a picture of the OP, that none of us would be recommending he actually lose a lot of body weight?[/quote]

Because the thread is entitled “post christmas cut” and this is T-Nation.[/quote]

Haha fair point but when I come to feel uncomfortable in myself due to feeling I am carrying to much fat around then I think it is time to cut a little. This is not a new years atempt to loose weight, but due to the bulk up I have been doing since this time last year I think I deserve a cut to make me feel a little less fat.
[/quote]

I wouldn’t trust anyone here who has no pics up anywhere to be able to discern whether they were even gaining mostly muscle. For instance, if someone gains 20lbs in 2-3 months and 15lbs or more was muscle, they would be extremely foolish to start dropping weight immediately simply because they “felt fat”.

Also, unless you have held any new gains you have made for a long period of time, you might as well say good bye to most of it if you rush down in body weight.[/quote]

Haha thanks mate I hate you, know all im gona think about when cutting is loosing muscle, hmmmm im not sure what 2 do any more haha.