Actually I’m going to try to get around 40 grams of carbs from oatmeal and the other 25g carbs from greens. I don’t think you have any idea how much I hate greens. My thinking is that if I keep eating them that my taste buds will learn to enjoy them(at least I hope so) and I can wean myself off of oatmeal and only eat greens for my carbs.I’m meeting all my protein and fat needs but just subsituting some greens with oatmeal. I will also give some of your suggestions a try. JasonL: “Trying to learn to enjoy green beans since Monday.” I think MBE is waring off on me a little.
Actually I think you can and will acquire a taste for them. You should’ve seen me the first time I tried broccoli and cauliflower…I only had a 1 cup serving and it took me 45 min. to get it down. Now, I eat the stuff like most people eat potato chips. Keep after it!
you guys put flax, or oil in your salads? i guess this is ok…mixing protien and carbs?
how long have u guys been on this base diet?
I recently added the mega-doses of glutamine to my post-workout shake as per CP’s recommendations, and despite eating only 2400 cals/day, I have gained 3 lbs. in scale weight with no gains if bodyfat. Is this common? When I first used the high dosage of glutamine I was peeing like a racehorse…now it appears my body has adjusted to it or something. Next week is the final diet week…I drop the 35 g. carbs from the post-workout shake and add BCAA’s to the mix for the final push.
Also, CP initially uses this diet for 25 days with clients. What are the determining factors that decide whether one stays on this diet, or goes to either the modified Zone or the higher carb plan? Is it performance? Body comp?
There is some anecdotal evidence that post-training glutamine intake can enhance glycogen storage, but I can’t say that I’ve ever seen hard data (in the form of a scientific study) to support such a claim.
Poliquin’s clients’ diets are based predominantly on BF%. The leaner they are, the more carbs they can have (either in the form of more frequent carbups or in the form of more per day).
Hey guys. Just wanted to say that I’ve tried CP’s diet and enjoyed outstanding results. In 6 weeks, I went from 209# to 201 pounds with no loss in strength ( I was also performing Chuck’s German Body Comp program, every other day). Macros: 300 grams of protein a day, a small amount of fat each meal (usually fish oils) and greens with every single meal. Post workout shake was whey, glutamine and maybe a few berries. Once a week, I’d get bent on a meal of whatever I wanted.
But now it’s time to gain a bit of mass…but I’d rather not gain much fat. I figured maybe I’d add Surge post workout, increase protein to 2 g/ per pound, add an apple a day, increase my fats somewhat and extend my cheat meal to a full day. My question is: do you think I’d get away with having a small serving of oatmeal at breakfast as well, or is this already too many carbs/calories? I know it sounds like nutritional micro-managing, but every year I start bulking phases with the best of intentions and wind up with 20 pounds of extra lard that I have to spend the entire spring dieting off.
Great thread guys! Lets keep it up!
I’m not against the idea of oatmeal itself; I’m just against the idea of oatmeal, or any higher calorie carb source, on regular days. The more you add in on regular days, the more you diminish the effect of your carbup day. I stick with nothing but veggies on regular days (excluding post-training drink), and am able to suck up roughly 450g carbs on my carbups throughout the day. Thus far, results have been pretty good in terms of mass gain. I’ll post the official one-month numbers on October 1. How’s everyone else doing? Steve and I have been talking a lot about it, but what about the rest of you guys? Chris? Paul? MBE? Monty?
I’ve been coupling this with HST, and I’m gaining like mad. I’m now the heaviest I’ve ever been (even heavier than when I was ‘chubby’). I developed a nasty cold though, this week - so I’m kinda stalling. This has honestly been the ‘bomb’ as far as diets go.
do u guys ever incorperate pre-workout, or during workout meals?
or pre-workout glutamine
Hey Fellow Anabolic T-Freques. I just got back from the Vitamin Shoppe and picked up some goodies. I purchased salmon oil caps, liquid flax (VS brand), Psyllum husk caps, Soloray multi-vitamins, and the best part, some Biotest 4-AD which I plan to start next week. I’ve been leaning out really well while maintaining muscle mass (I may have enven picked up a lb. or two but I haven’t weighted myself in months). My trunk is definitely smaller and tighter, with my abs more visible than ever. My energy is constantly stable despite my getting up routinely at 5 am to train clients, coming home to work out, going to grad classes 2 days a week, and then going to my evening job (ok, I don’t do anything there but hang out, still…) I am currently on week 3 of Ian King’s 12 Weeks to Killer Abs, Super Strength, and the Limping Series, all of which are excellent. Here’s what an average day looks like in terms of food: meal 1) Two scoops LC GROW w/ 4-6 Flax caps Meal 2) 1/2 Can chicken w/ 4-5 strips turkey Bacon w/ green beans Meal 3) Usually post w/o Surge Meal 4) 2/3 can chicken w/ 2 TBS. chipolte salsa (Trader Joe’s makes kickass and f’n cheap salsa), green beans or dark leafy veggies, 1 TBS. Flax oil Meal 5) Some type of fish or lean red meat (Tonight it’s marlin steak, last night it was venison burgers) w/ veggies and 3-4 Flax caps Meal 6) 2 Scoops LC GROW w/ 2-3 Flax caps Meal 7)(bedtime meal) 2 Scoops GROW, 1 TBS. Flax oil or occasioanlly natural PB. A question about fats, I have the Flax and the salmon caps, how should I split them up? Thanks.
MBE: “Burnin’ fat faster than the Foreman Grill since 0012. JADABB founder, 2002.”
-Eric
To the guy who asked about oatmeal…I personally would ditch it IF you are one of the “carbo-intolerante” types; that said, I think it could be done. Don Alessi if I recall had a plan where he did 50 or so g. carbs in the morning meal and the rest post-workout. Oatmeal would be one of the ideal sources, either that or the green meal from hell. I recall seeing somewhere else (Lyle McDonald, maybe??) that you could experiment with a few extra carbs during the week and subtract your added gram total from your carb-up day…I may be a little off on that though. What I’ve done for my carb up the last two weeks (I’m still dieting) is the 200 g. meal on Sunday a la Alessi (first week was a huge bowl of Smart Start with protein and fiber, and this last week was 200 g. white pasta plain with some garlic pepper seasoning and 40 g. Low-carb Grow and fiber). This worked well for me.
Progress? Rocking and rolling. The ab skinfold is getting under 10 again, and my strength increases EVERY WORKOUT. I just ordered some BCAA/Glutamine from Coach Davies’ company so next week I’m ditching the 35 g. of carbs post-workout and using 50 g. glutamine instead.
I’m gonna do the program that CP outlined in a previous Question of Strength column (3 weeks German Body comp…ugh…3 weeks 5*5, 3 weeks 10/10 with his newer program, and the last three will either be 1/6 or what I’m doing now, 3 sets of 1 and 5 sets of 5 a la Doug Hepburn). I have to admit I’m intrigued by Ian King’s recent bulking program…I love to train old school, but I’m trying to limit my fat gain as I’m entering BFL (please save the flames…I need something to shoot for, and I’ve been a chronic dieter for months now so the body is primed for some hardcore mass).
The glutamine question: right now I’m doing 5 g. pre, 5 g. during and 20-25 g. post. Seems to be working as my scale weight has increased as I pointed out earlier on this thread, yet my waist has gone down from 29 1/2 to 29 1/4. Best diet I’ve ever done, BAR NONE.
Hey T men I am currently on the fat fast program until I lose 8 more ibs. of unwanted fat. This seems like a good, more permanent, diet I can live with. Anybody gone from fat fast to this diet. Would like to hear your experience and/or things to avoid.
Thanks Hedo
is more information for this diet, or any components of this found in his book “Manly guide to weight loss”?
if not are there anyother publications with more information?
Ryan asked if this diet was outlined in the book, but it ain’t, unfortunately. I’m on day 5 myself and already noticing some fat loss, and I’ve not been lifting. (Taking my Ian-King prescribed rest week.) Pumped about getting things going again on monday…
I am on the T-dawg diet right now and since you guys are talking about carb up days I thought this would be appropriate. I plan on carbing up on sundays. Should I carb up for the first half of the day or the last half?
u guys talk about taking half a day carbing up… what is half a day? 2 meals? 3 meals?
clean carbs im assuming.
I have a few quick questions. Does anyone use olive oil as their oil source? I have thrown it in with my shakes. I don’t notice it at all. Also is everyone using this to cut down? Or is it being used to build up. I know that it will depend on intake, but I just want to know what the generaluse has been. I wonder because calculations are about 3200 cals. a day for me which is just over maintenance. I want to get sloppy big like the Ian King article from last issue says, then use the anabolic diet to get lean. Should I just adjust accordingly. I can try 4000 cals a day then go down to around maintenance the anabolic way. Does this sound good. Any advice would be great.
SAK, here’s the hell of this diet. I originally started it in an attempt to lose fat. I’m a bit below Eric’s formula of 1gC, 1gF, 2gP per lb of bodyweight. SO, in theory I should be losing weight. But I’m not. I’m putting on weight like mad. No kidding. I’m easily putting on a pound a week. I don’t know why either - since (like you said) it seems to be pretty close to maintenance.
Regarding the carb-up days, guys. I’d recommend starting the day with a little bit of exercise (some quick calisthetics) to wake up the muscles. Then, have a pre-set amount of carbs you want to eat that day (I’m still struggling with the number). Every couple hours eat a portion of that carb quota with protein. Personally, I don’t like to take a meal beyond 600 cals. I’ve tried carb-up with an awesome vegetarian chili. I’ve done carb-up with pizza. Both have worked well. As far as I can tell, the main benefit of the carb-up morning (so 2 or 3 meals) is to get the cravings out.
I don’t know what’s going on either…in the two weeks I’ve adopted CP’s approach, I’ve put on five lbs. and my waist has gone down 1/2 an inch and counting! I’m only eating 2400 cals and 6 meals, with 50 g. carbs on off-days, 100 or less on training days. I’m wondering if it’s the glutamine…I’m taking a shitload post-workout as per the recommendations. I’m supposed to start BFL tomorrow and I intended to be around 155, and shit, I’m up to 164. I did add a separate DHA supplement to my reg. fish oils and I have been on 6 g. Tonalin CLA for a week now, but surely that wouldn’t make that much difference so quickly (would it?)
I haven’t been gaining size on sub-maintenance cals, but I figured I would chime in and say that I have been pleased with my results on the diet this time around through 3 weeks. Did my usual Sunday morning body comp. measurements today, and despite the fact that I’ve only dropped a little over 1% bodyfat overall, I have retained all of my LBM (okay, okay, .4 lbs have been lost according to today’s measurements). I’ll take slow but steady progress any day, especially when starting at a relatively low BF% anyway.