First half of this thread is good stuff
What about our last half?
BODYBUILDING? how do you know who are what Poliquin works with?
You should go to a seminar and you will be surprised to learn who and what actually got there information from where and who?
Did you know that milos sarcev designed most diet and nutrition programs for those in the olympia? did you know Milos has gotten through alott of sticking points with Poliquin’s help?
WHo the fuck would want information from a bunch of ROIDED OUT BOdybuilders? most dont know shit? most rely on 50K of GEAR A YEAR at least. NOn could transform a natural bb.
Poliquin, is beyond his books, beyond these articles and if your lucky enough to even have a phone consult with him you will jump ahead of your results. PERIOD. If you could possibly afford a week with him only then would you get the info that the world class athletics get.
I don’t know who Poliquin works with. I do know that he works with Milos on some things and that they have collaborated on some stuff together with educational programs.
You said that his hands on services don’t reflect what is written in his articles. That’s one of the problems with communications, I’d say. What he writes here is what people are commenting on. We have nothing to go by but his writings. And if he is going to write, perhaps he shouldn’t give away all his goodies, but why write about things that are a far cry away from what is so great that he does hands-on. So, when Poliquin WRITES things that don’t “fit” within the bodybuilding world, people comment on it, maybe even criticize it. When he writes …
-that he has a female athlete that has thighs bigger than Tom Platz…
-that we should eat like caveman…
-that we should do what seem like bizarre workouts to us bodybuilders…
-that he has a strength athlete that makes Ronnie Coleman’s thighs look small…
-that a trainer or trainee is shit because he or she can’t do 12 pullups (this might be hard for 300 lb men and MOST women)
-that we should have a menu and supplement programs that only millionaires can afford…
we might react a bit.
The same goes for Scott Abel, who I am sure knows what he is doing with his bodybuilding competitors hands-on, but might not know what he is doing hands-to-keyboard. People have requested more of his articles. Why? I do not know. They are unreadable and unbearable to me. But then again - it’s just me. I am not a contest prep coach or a trainer. Abels articles are poorly constructed, go in a 100 different directions, and leave the read with hardly anything to incorporate in his routine. So, when the average T-Nation reader reads some outrageous articles, they are going to say “what the fuck is this?”
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I don’t know who Poliquin works with. I do know that he works with Milos on some things and that they have collaborated on some stuff together with educational programs.
You said that his hands on services don’t reflect what is written in his articles. That’s one of the problems with communications, I’d say. What he writes here is what people are commenting on. We have nothing to go by but his writings. And if he is going to write, perhaps he shouldn’t give away all his goodies, but why write about things that are a far cry away from what is so great that he does hands-on. So, when Poliquin WRITES things that don’t “fit” within the bodybuilding world, people comment on it, maybe even criticize it. When he writes …
-that he has a female athlete that has thighs bigger than Tom Platz…
-that we should eat like caveman…
-that we should do what seem like bizarre workouts to us bodybuilders…
-that he has a strength athlete that makes Ronnie Coleman’s thighs look small…
-that a trainer or trainee is shit because he or she can’t do 12 pullups (this might be hard for 300 lb men and MOST women)
-that we should have a menu and supplement programs that only millionaires can afford…
we might react a bit.
The same goes for Scott Abel, who I am sure knows what he is doing with his bodybuilding competitors hands-on, but might not know what he is doing hands-to-keyboard. People have requested more of his articles. Why? I do not know. They are unreadable and unbearable to me. But then again - it’s just me. I am not a contest prep coach or a trainer. Abels articles are poorly constructed, go in a 100 different directions, and leave the read with hardly anything to incorporate in his routine. So, when the average T-Nation reader reads some outrageous articles, they are going to say “what the fuck is this?”[/quote]
But the thing is who the f*ck is ANYONE to question what Poliquin says ?
Brickyne whats your qualifications on Bodybuilding ? Reading a few books, watching a few DVD’s, going to a few shows ? Yet somehow YOU claim that Poliquin is no good to “bodybuilders”
I mean sure critizise you get that ability as a person, but for fuck sake saying that Poliquin’s stuff doesn’t work is complete horseshit. Give away all his goodies ? You do know he only has let out about 10% of the info he has to the public ??? He hasn’t realised shit to the public but somehow you know what he does and what his training would do for “bodybuilders”
AND further more, from what i have seen there is less than 10 people on this site who are over 230+ and TRYING to be bigger, so when you talk about unsuitable for bodybuilding are you sure you mean THIS site ??? When the majority of this site seems to be anti-fat, anti-muscle, anti- muscley people.
Look im going for 300lbs… im more than likely bigger than you but i put my hands up and say i wouldnt use one of Arnolds programs if you fucking paid me. Nor would i use half of the programs the current Olympia’s are purported to use… most of which is utter lies. And if you say you do then im QUITE sure you must be on 1-2g of extra help a frigging week.
As for his claims, he HAS to. People LOVE to be seduced… LOVE to be offered THAT miracle claim. You want to make an impact then you MUST make outrageous claims. Ask our politicians, any weight trainer or S @ C coach they MUST be outrageous to get people to buy their stuff or follow what they say.
if you haven’t twigged that yet, then i’d say come down from the mountain and welcome to real life.
As for
[quote]-that a trainer or trainee is shit because he or she can’t do 12 pullups (this might be hard for 300 lb men and MOST women)
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I’m joining the Royal Marines soon, and we have to do 5-10 pullups WITH 30kg’s of weight on our back (about 70lbs) im 265lbs so YES i will have to do that “OUTRAGEOUS CLAIM” and more…
In closing, be a forum warrior if you want, but at least TRY understand that just because us “Bodybuilders” do stuff differnt doesn’t make it the ONLY way… sometimes leaving the box is good for you.
Unless your scared of Poliquin’s programs 
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
BODYBUILDING? how do you know who are what Poliquin works with?
You should go to a seminar and you will be surprised to learn who and what actually got there information from where and who?
Did you know that milos sarcev designed most diet and nutrition programs for those in the olympia? did you know Milos has gotten through alott of sticking points with Poliquin’s help?
WHo the fuck would want information from a bunch of ROIDED OUT BOdybuilders? most dont know shit? most rely on 50K of GEAR A YEAR at least. NOn could transform a natural bb.
Poliquin, is beyond his books, beyond these articles and if your lucky enough to even have a phone consult with him you will jump ahead of your results. PERIOD. If you could possibly afford a week with him only then would you get the info that the world class athletics get. [/quote]
So, you actually think that if you sat down and had a conversation with Lee Haney, Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman all in the same room that you would learn nothing of value?
People still think like this?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
So, you actually think that if you sat down and had a conversation with Lee Haney, Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman all in the same room that you would learn nothing of value?
People still think like this?[/quote]
I have no idea how he will answer, but it would be his loss if he answered ‘yes’.
Many trainees have been conditioned to think all pros are fools and have only made it to the top because of drugs and genetics. While these obviously play a large role, as almost all pros acknowledge, it is a huge mistake to think they know nothing about dieting/training and hard work.
Let’s face it, tons of guys are on gear an don’t look nearly as “good” as those guys. Yes, I know the popular counterargument is that the pros are simply on more gear but I think genetics and handwork/consistency have more to do with it, but I digress…
Oh, and the point of this post, which I almost forgot to mention, is that many people automatically assume that the pros only know how to design insane volume programs that would destroy most novice trainees, but it’s simply not the case.
As a matter of fact if people took the trouble to look up routines and diets recommended to beginners by guys like Haney, Yates, Culter (etc…) they’d be blown away by how down to earth and sensible their advice actually is (actually if far more sensible than many online PTs trying to make a name for themselves). Now I’m sure there are some knuckle-head pros out there, but I think its unfair to paint them all with the same brush before having heard not only how they currently train, but also how they would train beginners & intermediates.
[quote]Protoculture wrote:
Professor X wrote:
So, you actually think that if you sat down and had a conversation with Lee Haney, Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman all in the same room that you would learn nothing of value?
People still think like this?
I have no idea how he will answer, but it would be his loss if he answered ‘yes’.
Many trainees have been conditioned to think all pros are fools and have only made it to the top because of drugs and genetics. While these obviously play a large role, as almost all pros acknowledge, it is a huge mistake to think they know nothing about dieting/training and hard work.
Let’s face it, tons of guys are on gear an don’t look nearly as “good” as those guys. Yes, I know the popular counterargument is that the pros are simply on more gear but I think genetics and handwork/consistency have more to do with it, but I digress…
Oh, and the point of this post, which I almost forgot to mention, is that many people automatically assume that the pros only know how to design insane volume programs that would destroy most novice trainees, but it’s simply not the case.
As a matter of fact if people took the trouble to look up routines and diets recommended to beginners by guys like Haney, Yates, Culter (etc…) they’d be blown away by how down to earth and sensible their advice actually is (actually if far more sensible than many online PTs trying to make a name for themselves). Now I’m sure there are some knuckle-head pros out there, but I think its unfair to paint them all with the same brush before having heard not only how they currently train, but also how they would train beginners & intermediates.[/quote]
Agreed. Haney used to have his own morning workout program. There was VERY valuable info being given out yet many of these fools think big muscles equal no intelligence?
I’m a big guy. If you assume I don’t know shit because of my size, you are one foolish individual.
I don’t see ANY of these guys recommending a beginner start training just like them. Listing what they do now in the gym is not a recommendation for the 130lbs newbie to also do 30 sets per muscle group unless that newbie is also 260+lbs in contest shape.
This idea that pro bodybuilders have nothing to offer needs to die quickly. It only makes the person claiming it look like an idiot and usually comes from some guy who no one would ever accuse of lifting weights if they so much as wore a large tee shirt.
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
BODYBUILDING? how do you know who are what Poliquin works with?
You should go to a seminar and you will be surprised to learn who and what actually got there information from where and who?
Did you know that milos sarcev designed most diet and nutrition programs for those in the olympia? did you know Milos has gotten through alott of sticking points with Poliquin’s help?
WHo the fuck would want information from a bunch of ROIDED OUT BOdybuilders? most dont know shit? most rely on 50K of GEAR A YEAR at least. NOn could transform a natural bb.
Poliquin, is beyond his books, beyond these articles and if your lucky enough to even have a phone consult with him you will jump ahead of your results. PERIOD. If you could possibly afford a week with him only then would you get the info that the world class athletics get. [/quote]
Really? 50 grand? All of them? Where did you see that? BB.com or did Poliquin say that after he claimed that his 17 year old female speed skater had larger quads than Platz?
Who would want information from “roided out” bodybuilders? Probably someone with enough mental capacity to know when to stop holding their “shift” key when they are typing.
Most equipped bodybuilders dont know shit? So you mean to tell me that those 240-280 lbs behemoths taking the tops in big NPC and IFBB shows got to that incredible size by taking steroids and fucking around? Stop drinking the kool-aid, man. Its bad for your insulin. You’d have to go spend $80 a month on supplements to fix that too.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
or did Poliquin say that after he claimed that his 17 year old female speed skater had larger quads than Platz?
You’d have to go spend $80 a month on supplements to fix that too.[/quote]
Tom Platz’s legs.
I REALLY want to see this speed skater who is beating this.
Gullible people seem to be searching for someone to tell them what they want to hear…whether it actually makes sense or not.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gullible people seem to be searching for someone to tell them what they want to hear…whether it actually makes sense or not.[/quote]
And thats why people think all big guys are dumb, any person who has muscle is a ROIDZ FREAK who uses CREATINE !
etc
etc
etc
etc
Not even gullible, as that suggests that they are just ignorant, most of them are WILLFULLY ignorant !
As for the legs, i’d probably say he has seen it, if not him Pierre Roy has recorded other guys with BIGGER legs than Tom Platz.
So as freakish as his legs are, yes there are others with those legs out there… most never take the time and nergy to find out.
[quote]300andabove wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gullible people seem to be searching for someone to tell them what they want to hear…whether it actually makes sense or not.
And thats why people think all big guys are dumb, any person who has muscle is a ROIDZ FREAK who uses CREATINE !
etc
etc
etc
etc
Not even gullible, as that suggests that they are just ignorant, most of them are WILLFULLY ignorant !
As for the legs, i’d probably say he has seen it, if not him Pierre Roy has recorded other guys with BIGGER legs than Tom Platz.
So as freakish as his legs are, yes there are others with those legs out there… most never take the time and energy to find out.
With all the Olympic hopefulls he and his mentor have seen, people at their genetic peak then yes i would not doubt much of Poliquin says.
We just don’t believe its true, as we have no seen it. Sometimes a little faith is required, and as idiotic and dangerous as some coaches are Poliquin is one of the good guys.
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Bullshit. Show me ONE. I want to see one Olympic hopeful with legs more developed than Platz at his peak. I want to see the 36" ripped to shreds thighs with my own eyes.
Poliquin is known for saying some off the wall shit at times. Only newbies and fanboys actually believe all of it.
Another of Platz.
Now, mind you, his legs would be even BIGGER in the off season. he no doubt lost a few inches off of them in dieting down for a contest.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bullshit. Show me ONE. I want to see one Olympic hopeful with legs more developed than Platz at his peak. I want to see the 36" ripped to shreds thighs with my own eyes.
Poliquin is known for saying some off the wall shit at times. Only newbies and fanboys actually believe all of it.
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How can i show you one … i dont think Poliquin takes random pictures of his females legs to put on the internet somehow
And again i say its bullshit, because you just haven’t seen it.
And as far as i am aware didn’t Paul DeMayo have bigger legs ? I think people freaked over Platz as his upper body was proportionally smaller to his legs so it created a visual illusion.
Further more rating Poliquin on a credibility scale, i’d put him fairly up there compared to others.
And yes i know he says off the wall shit, but he has seen alot more of the world and genetic freaks than we have
As for the last comment, ill just leave it alone.
Also this guy is getting there if not beyond Platzs scale:
[quote]300andabove wrote:
Also this guy is getting there if not beyond Platzs scale:
www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/91/55/
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What does Paco Bautista have to do with some claim by Poliquin that Olympic hopefuls are carrying as much leg size as Platz?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gullible people seem to be searching for someone to tell them what they want to hear…whether it actually makes sense or not.[/quote]
Dude, it’s just another manifestation of the perennial hard-on for the underdog story.
If only the laws of physics were a silver back gorilla, there’d be a lot of people sporting broken jaws after trying to regurgitate such hyperboles.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Also this guy is getting there if not beyond Platzs scale:
www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/91/55/
What does Paco Bautista have to do with some claim by Poliquin that Olympic hopefuls are carrying as much leg size as Platz?
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It shows that these people exist… isn’t that what you are doubting ??
I mean anyone trained to their genetic potential would come close to Platz, off hand speed skaters, bob sledders and downhill ski’ers would all have the potential to have massive legs. Berardi has even noted he worked with one girl who came close to platz she was a downhill ski’er for Canada. He trained her 2-4 years ago.
So in MY opinion these people exist, getting proof would require Poliquin to show up in this thread… i dont see that happenening to be honest
So untill then you can believe him or not that everyones right.
I went and searched T-Nation for the offending comment :
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[quote]300andabove wrote:
Professor X wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Also this guy is getting there if not beyond Platzs scale:
www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/91/55/
What does Paco Bautista have to do with some claim by Poliquin that Olympic hopefuls are carrying as much leg size as Platz?
It shows that these people exist… isn’t that what you are doubting ??[/quote]
No, doofus. I follow bodybuilding pretty damn closely and no one here was doubting whether some pro bodybuilder could build legs as big or bigger than Platz.
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So in MY opinion these people exist, getting proof would require Poliquin to show up in this thread… i dont see that happenening to be honest
So untill then you can believe him or not that everyones right.[/quote]
Wait, so you actually believe there is some FEMALE speedskater out there with legs BIGGER than Tom Platz simply because Poliquin said so?
You are one of the fanboys I was talking about. Either that or your life experience is so limited you probably still believe most of the supplement ads you read.