Police Brutality

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Please ask me specific questions I will do my best to give you specific answers. So I am assuming by your answer you are saying we should escalate the war to win. . [/quote]

Did you graduate high school? If you did then surely you have the reading comprehension skills adequate to re-read my posts.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

The Mexican border is 1969 miles long, how do you plan on guarding that. How much money would it cost? I personally live on that border, it would be impossible to monitor it. It is not political correctness. It is vast We have had smugglers build ramps on trucks , meet at a designated area , cross the border with a convoy and drive into the Metro Phoenix area with out even taking a road.[/quote]

Really now… how hard is it to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants and drugs? Would it cost more than the money we spent on Iraq? Wouldn’t you think that it would create a few jobs too? Oh I forgot that cunt Nancy Pelosi and pricks like George Bush and Obama want to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens.

Fucking China built a wall around its country how many years ago? Yet we can’t build one? That’s idiocy.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
As far as your views on the death penalty, I am glad you are not king of America. I think we need a death penalty, but should only use it for people that can not be trusted in society. Why would you stop with just frying meth makers, why not heroin pushers, marijuana dealers, convenient store clerks for selling alcohol and tobacco?[/quote]

So you are comparing a smoker with a junkie?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
As far as using an herbicide, would this drug poison the product? Because if it did poison the people some one or some agency could be guilty of murder. And we are back to just reducing the amount of the drug making it all worth more money . That approach only encourages the criminal element[/quote]

Strategically employed herbicides would kill the plant, not poison them; closing off the border would make what was ever left over almost impossible to sneak into the country.

When I grew up the best conservative value was the value of money. Now conservative values are anything the fundamentalists want and Liberals are anybody that thinks there could be a better way

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We just need a few more cops on the streets, and a couple more million dollars, then drugs will be gone forever, right?

This country has wasted so much money on the war on drugs and accomplished nothing. We cannot afford to continue doing this.

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[quote]Unaware wrote:
We just need a few more cops on the streets, and a couple more million dollars, then drugs will be gone forever, right?

This country has wasted so much money on the war on drugs and accomplished nothing. We cannot afford to continue doing this.

Milton Friedman on America's Drug Forum pt.1of3 - YouTube [/quote]

I agree with your argument, but no one in a position of power cares. No politician will step out against the war on drugs. It would be political suicide. Also the war on drugs employs alot of people, and there is an entire power struggle to keep that going like you wouldn’t believe.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

Please ask me specific questions I will do my best to give you specific answers. So I am assuming by your answer you are saying we should escalate the war to win. .

Did you graduate high school? If you did then surely you have the reading comprehension skills adequate to re-read my posts.
pittbulll wrote:

The Mexican border is 1969 miles long, how do you plan on guarding that. How much money would it cost? I personally live on that border, it would be impossible to monitor it. It is not political correctness. It is vast We have had smugglers build ramps on trucks , meet at a designated area , cross the border with a convoy and drive into the Metro Phoenix area with out even taking a road.

Really now… how hard is it to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants and drugs? Would it cost more than the money we spent on Iraq? Wouldn’t you think that it would create a few jobs too? Oh I forgot that cunt Nancy Pelosi and pricks like George Bush and Obama want to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens.

Fucking China built a wall around its country how many years ago? Yet we can’t build one? That’s idiocy.

pittbulll wrote:
As far as your views on the death penalty, I am glad you are not king of America. I think we need a death penalty, but should only use it for people that can not be trusted in society. Why would you stop with just frying meth makers, why not heroin pushers, marijuana dealers, convenient store clerks for selling alcohol and tobacco?

So you are comparing a smoker with a junkie?

pittbulll wrote:
As far as using an herbicide, would this drug poison the product? Because if it did poison the people some one or some agency could be guilty of murder. And we are back to just reducing the amount of the drug making it all worth more money . That approach only encourages the criminal element

Strategically employed herbicides would kill the plant, not poison them; closing off the border would make what was ever left over almost impossible to sneak into the country.

When I grew up the best conservative value was the value of money. Now conservative values are anything the fundamentalists want and Liberals are anybody that thinks there could be a better way

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Yes Phil, I did graduate high school, you are going to have to use some of your low wattage brilliance to explain my misunderstanding of your posts.

You ask how hard it is to build a wall to keep out Illegal immigrants and drugs. My answer is it is impossible, the wall of China is considered one of the 7 wonders of the world, so you must agree it is no small task

Being an ex smoker I can compare smokers and Alcoholics to any person addicted to drugs.

What herbicides you use and could you guarantee it safe ingestion by humans? (Of Course not.)

You should concentrate on finding effective information and quit trying to be clever, maybe your communication skills would not appear to be so lacking

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Unaware wrote:
We just need a few more cops on the streets, and a couple more million dollars, then drugs will be gone forever, right?

This country has wasted so much money on the war on drugs and accomplished nothing. We cannot afford to continue doing this.

I agree with your argument, but no one in a position of power cares. No politician will step out against the war on drugs. It would be political suicide. Also the war on drugs employs alot of people, and there is an entire power struggle to keep that going like you wouldn’t believe. [/quote]

Political activism, we have to make it mandatory that our politicians rework our drug policies.

http://www.mpp.org/ Good place to start

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Yes Phil, I did graduate high school, you are going to have to use some of your low wattage brilliance to explain my misunderstanding of your posts.[/quote]

All I am asking for is you to re-read some of my posts carefully and answer some of the questions that I raised. Is that too much to ask?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You ask how hard it is to build a wall to keep out Illegal immigrants and drugs. My answer is it is impossible, the wall of China is considered one of the 7 wonders of the world, so you must agree it is no small task[/quote]

Instead of wasting money on Iraq, we could have had that wall built already. Besides keeping out drugs, we could also keep out illegal aliens. Modern science is more amazing to me that the Great Wall of China by far.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Being an ex smoker I can compare smokers and Alcoholics to any person addicted to drugs.

What herbicides you use and could you guarantee it safe ingestion by humans? (Of Course not.)[/quote]

Actually we could drop on the fields for all I care and probably just do some weeding of the gene pool for all I care, but I suppose that would could find more benign chemicals that would do the trick while sparing lives…

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You should concentrate on finding effective information and quit trying to be clever, maybe your communication skills would not appear to be so lacking[/quote]

Actually I am proposing sealing the border and attacking the actual plants. It’s a different approach that has been employed.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

Yes Phil, I did graduate high school, you are going to have to use some of your low wattage brilliance to explain my misunderstanding of your posts.

All I am asking for is you to re-read some of my posts carefully and answer some of the questions that I raised. Is that too much to ask?

pittbulll wrote:
You ask how hard it is to build a wall to keep out Illegal immigrants and drugs. My answer is it is impossible, the wall of China is considered one of the 7 wonders of the world, so you must agree it is no small task

Instead of wasting money on Iraq, we could have had that wall built already. Besides keeping out drugs, we could also keep out illegal aliens. Modern science is more amazing to me that the Great Wall of China by far.

pittbulll wrote:
Being an ex smoker I can compare smokers and Alcoholics to any person addicted to drugs.

What herbicides you use and could you guarantee it safe ingestion by humans? (Of Course not.)

Actually we could drop on the fields for all I care and probably just do some weeding of the gene pool for all I care, but I suppose that would could find more benign chemicals that would do the trick while sparing lives…

pittbulll wrote:

You should concentrate on finding effective information and quit trying to be clever, maybe your communication skills would not appear to be so lacking

Actually I am proposing sealing the border and attacking the actual plants. It’s a different approach that has been employed.

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I may have missed some of your questions and if I did (sorry) please in your next post label one paragraph for questions; I will do my best to answer them

As far as building a wall around America, one of the reasons (in my opinion) why we can not build this wall is because we are a democratic republic. We can not agree on how to spend a little money. Also if you could build this wall they will figure out how to top it or they will go under it. What I am saying is it wonâ??t be very effective

We agree on Iraq.

Your approach to use herbicides makes me glad that you do not control this problem. The way I would see it, if you did poison some one with your herbicide, you would be guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide at best. But if our conversation was made public, it could be a capital crime.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I may have missed some of your questions and if I did (sorry) please in your next post label one paragraph for questions; I will do my best to answer them[/quote]

Let’s start over again and see how this goes. I have laid out how I would deal with the drug problem in America. While you don’t like mine, I would like to hear what your plan is.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
As far as building a wall around America, one of the reasons (in my opinion) why we can not build this wall is because we are a democratic republic. We can not agree on how to spend a little money. Also if you could build this wall they will figure out how to top it or they will go under it. What I am saying is it wonâ??t be very effective

We agree on Iraq.[/quote]

So what if we are a democratic republic? We have borders as it is, what is so wrong with protecting them with a wall? As for people digging under them… there are ways we could utilize technology to maintain it. You can find excuses not to do it, but I don’t think technological deficiencies is one of them.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Your approach to use herbicides makes me glad that you do not control this problem. The way I would see it, if you did poison some one with your herbicide, you would be guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide at best. But if our conversation was made public, it could be a capital crime.[/quote]

The governments of countries like Afghanistan, Columbia,etc. are obviously too corrupt or incompetent to get rid of their cash crops that poison countless numbers of Americans every day; ruining lives and families in countless ways. If it is a true WAR on drugs, you need to extirpate the plants instead of clipping away at the leaves. In a war sometimes people get hurt.

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The war on drugs is to profitable for those in Corrections, and no one gives a shit what it will cost the tax payer. The government will build another prison before it released offenders. It just wont happen because the unions are too powerful at lobbying.

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Build a wall to keep people out and Drugs out? lol.

Drugs will get flown in by planes into desert fields flying low under the radar.
Drugs will get ferried in By boats and small submarines, like they do now.

People will find other ways to get in. This is not a problem to be solved with force or control. This is a problem you solve by controlling less and legalizing more. But this does not compute to the simple authoritarian mind.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I may have missed some of your questions and if I did (sorry) please in your next post label one paragraph for questions; I will do my best to answer them

Let’s start over again and see how this goes. I have laid out how I would deal with the drug problem in America. While you don’t like mine, I would like to hear what your plan is.
pittbulll wrote:
As far as building a wall around America, one of the reasons (in my opinion) why we can not build this wall is because we are a democratic republic. We can not agree on how to spend a little money. Also if you could build this wall they will figure out how to top it or they will go under it. What I am saying is it won�¢??t be very effective

We agree on Iraq.

So what if we are a democratic republic? We have borders as it is, what is so wrong with protecting them with a wall? As for people digging under them… there are ways we could utilize technology to maintain it. You can find excuses not to do it, but I don’t think technological deficiencies is one of them.

pittbulll wrote:
Your approach to use herbicides makes me glad that you do not control this problem. The way I would see it, if you did poison some one with your herbicide, you would be guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide at best. But if our conversation was made public, it could be a capital crime.

The governments of countries like Afghanistan, Columbia,etc. are obviously too corrupt or incompetent to get rid of their cash crops that poison countless numbers of Americans every day; ruining lives and families in countless ways. If it is a true WAR on drugs, you need to extirpate the plants instead of clipping away at the leaves. In a war sometimes people get hurt.

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My plan would be to legalize and regulate all drugs, just like alcohol and tobacco. You would go to the drug store and buy what ever you want. I personally see no place for Meth, because high grade amphetamines would be available. It would bring down costs because no one would go to jail for dealing drugs.

When price falls the criminal element would lose interest in drugs because there would not be enough profit in it to even try and compete with the free market.

Mexico would have a much easier time with out fighting our war on drugs. The Taliban and Al kida would have to find other revenue sources to supply the money to make terror

We could let all non violent drug offenders out of prison; we could stop searching every car we pull over, leaving cops to go after bad guys

The problem of building a fence is, in my humble opinion, it wonâ??t work. We would spend billions if not trillions to erect a fence that is easily overcome. And if drugs were legal that would be one less reason to spend all this money

We should fine the living shit out of people that hire illegal aliens. Being a small contractor, illegal aliens cost me a lot of money.

Countries like Afghanistan and Columbia could still grow there cash crop and sell there goods to Pharmacology companies and Herbal brokers to make their money. It may even be a boon to those very poor countries

I know not everything is going to go smooth, but we have been in a drug war since Richard Nixon and even decades before that. And all we have accomplished is to inflate the price of drugs. We have created neighborhoods in America that are battling to get their slice of money out of drugs. We have turned poor nations into battlegrounds because they want a slice of money from this over inflated product. We have turned our police into thugs harassing people they stop for traffic violations, all in the name of THE WAR ON DRUGS.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
Build a wall to keep people out and Drugs out? lol.

Drugs will get flown in by planes into desert fields flying low under the radar.
Drugs will get ferried in By boats and small submarines, like they do now. [/quote]

Either your reading comprehension is deplorable or you are leaving out a part of my arguments.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
People will find other ways to get in. This is not a problem to be solved with force or control. This is a problem you solve by controlling less and legalizing more. But this does not compute to the simple authoritarian mind. [/quote]

Building a wall would most definitely drastically cut down on illegal immigration. Are you even an American citizen? Right now hoards of illegals are just crawling across the border. Even if we had military there who stared popping a few of them, I bet that they would think twice.

But as it is, our borders are a joke. And what kind of liberal-anarchist mumbo jumbo is that about force? Force is a necessary part of life. What are you? Some 16 yr. old jack off?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

pittbulll wrote:
As far as building a wall around America, one of the reasons (in my opinion) why we can not build this wall is because we are a democratic republic. We can not agree on how to spend a little money. Also if you could build this wall they will figure out how to top it or they will go under it. What I am saying is it won�?�¢??t be very effective

We agree on Iraq.

So what if we are a democratic republic? We have borders as it is, what is so wrong with protecting them with a wall? As for people digging under them… there are ways we could utilize technology to maintain it. You can find excuses not to do it, but I don’t think technological deficiencies is one of them.

pittbulll wrote:
Your approach to use herbicides makes me glad that you do not control this problem. The way I would see it, if you did poison some one with your herbicide, you would be guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide at best. But if our conversation was made public, it could be a capital crime.

The governments of countries like Afghanistan, Columbia,etc. are obviously too corrupt or incompetent to get rid of their cash crops that poison countless numbers of Americans every day; ruining lives and families in countless ways. If it is a true WAR on drugs, you need to extirpate the plants instead of clipping away at the leaves. In a war sometimes people get hurt.

My plan would be to legalize and regulate all drugs, just like alcohol and tobacco. You would go to the drug store and buy what ever you want. I personally see no place for Meth, because high grade amphetamines would be available. It would bring down costs because no one would go to jail for dealing drugs.

When price falls the criminal element would lose interest in drugs because there would not be enough profit in it to even try and compete with the free market.

Mexico would have a much easier time with out fighting our war on drugs. The Taliban and Al kida would have to find other revenue sources to supply the money to make terror

We could let all non violent drug offenders out of prison; we could stop searching every car we pull over, leaving cops to go after bad guys

The problem of building a fence is, in my humble opinion, it wonâ??t work. We would spend billions if not trillions to erect a fence that is easily overcome. And if drugs were legal that would be one less reason to spend all this money

We should fine the living shit out of people that hire illegal aliens. Being a small contractor, illegal aliens cost me a lot of money.

Countries like Afghanistan and Columbia could still grow there cash crop and sell there goods to Pharmacology companies and Herbal brokers to make their money. It may even be a boon to those very poor countries

I know not everything is going to go smooth, but we have been in a drug war since Richard Nixon and even decades before that. And all we have accomplished is to inflate the price of drugs. We have created neighborhoods in America that are battling to get their slice of money out of drugs. We have turned poor nations into battlegrounds because they want a slice of money from this over inflated product. We have turned our police into thugs harassing people they stop for traffic violations, all in the name of THE WAR ON DRUGS.
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Let’s start a separate thread about this elsewhere, that way we can attract all of the people interested in the topic as opposed to people interested in police brutality…

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Building a wall doesn’t solve the problem. Neither does adding more Border Patrol Security. But they do make it more difficult, and with less of the drugs making it into the US, the price goes up. So by economic reasons, you make it harder for people to buy and sell the product.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Building a wall doesn’t solve the problem. Neither does adding more Border Patrol Security. But they do make it more difficult, and with less of the drugs making it into the US, the price goes up. So by economic reasons, you make it harder for people to buy and sell the product. [/quote]

My pot dealer and my kids tell me I look like a cop. I bet I can buy any drug you want in a 24 hour period. So what good is this war on drugs? Because it may take me 24 hour to buy this drug as apposed to 2 hours?

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“However beautiful the strategy, one must occasionally look at the results.”

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Build a wall to keep people out and Drugs out? lol.

Drugs will get flown in by planes into desert fields flying low under the radar.
Drugs will get ferried in By boats and small submarines, like they do now.

Either your reading comprehension is deplorable or you are leaving out a part of my arguments.

Gregus wrote:
People will find other ways to get in. This is not a problem to be solved with force or control. This is a problem you solve by controlling less and legalizing more. But this does not compute to the simple authoritarian mind.

Building a wall would most definitely drastically cut down on illegal immigration. Are you even an American citizen? Right now hoards of illegals are just crawling across the border. Even if we had military there who stared popping a few of them, I bet that they would think twice.

But as it is, our borders are a joke. And what kind of liberal-anarchist mumbo jumbo is that about force? Force is a necessary part of life. What are you? Some 16 yr. old jack off?
[/quote]

LOL. Hey it’s America and you have a right to an opinion too.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Actually I am proposing sealing the border and attacking the actual plants. It’s a different approach that has been employed.
[/quote]

How could you possibly attack the plants? I knew guys that grew massive amounts of pot in their attics.

That said, I am for building a wall. It won’t get the job done on its own, but it will help.

That said, this talk of killing meth makers and shooting illegal immigrants is sick.

mike

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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle [/quote]

Glad those cops were there