[quote]pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there[/quote]
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
[quote]Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
[/quote]
Lazy doctors who don’t want to work?
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
Lazy doctors who don’t want to work?[/quote]
Doctors don’t work on an ambulance, so who are you talking about?
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
Lazy doctors who don’t want to work?
Doctors don’t work on an ambulance, so who are you talking about?[/quote]
The doctors at hospital who attend people arriving in an ambulance.
If I was a ambulance driver feeling lazy I would hardly trade work for getting choked by a cop.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
Actually I am proposing sealing the border and attacking the actual plants. It’s a different approach that has been employed.
How could you possibly attack the plants? I knew guys that grew massive amounts of pot in their attics.
That said, I am for building a wall. It won’t get the job done on its own, but it will help.
That said, this talk of killing meth makers and shooting illegal immigrants is sick.
mike[/quote]
I don’t care about pot. I am talking about coke, heroin and meth. The former would be very easy to eradicate. Something like 93% of the worlds heroin comes from Afghanistan and it is grown outdoors. A planned attack on a few countries could greatly eradicate coke and heroin. Building a wall would cut down on the other drugs and illegal immigrants that flow across our border. As for shooting scumbag meth dealers, what is so bad about that? They certainly don’t give a shit whose son or daughter’s life that they poison.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
[/quote]
So what does that mean? If I were to post videos of black people looting during hurricane Katrina or the LA riots in the 90’s would that mean that ALL black people were criminals?
What do you want to do? Eliminate the police? If you didn’t have police in this country, it wouldn’t take too long before riots worse than the LA ones in the 90’s destroyed every major city in the US.
If you didn’t have cops, the gang bangers and criminal elements would completely go on a robbing, raping and killing spree.
All that you would have left was vigilante and mob justice whose brutality would make that video look like Mr. Rodger’s neighborhood.
Life is brutal. America is full of brutality and our large cities are full of unspeakable brutality.
By entrusting a few people like police with force you would have far less brutality than if mobs or vigilantes did it. In this country police have to be a little brutal sometimes…
In fact, I think that we coddle criminals too much here.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
Lazy doctors who don’t want to work?
Doctors don’t work on an ambulance, so who are you talking about?
The doctors at hospital who attend people arriving in an ambulance.
If I was a ambulance driver feeling lazy I would hardly trade work for getting choked by a cop.[/quote]
You are making no sense what so ever, in the video the problem is that the ambulance didn’t pull over to allow the right of way. Granted PD had no right to do what they did (the chokeout move) but the ambulance was in the wrong.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
Actually I am proposing sealing the border and attacking the actual plants. It’s a different approach that has been employed.
How could you possibly attack the plants? I knew guys that grew massive amounts of pot in their attics.
That said, I am for building a wall. It won’t get the job done on its own, but it will help.
That said, this talk of killing meth makers and shooting illegal immigrants is sick.
mike
I don’t care about pot. I am talking about coke, heroin and meth. The former would be very easy to eradicate. Something like 93% of the worlds heroin comes from Afghanistan and it is grown outdoors. A planned attack on a few countries could greatly eradicate coke and heroin. Building a wall would cut down on the other drugs and illegal immigrants that flow across our border. As for shooting scumbag meth dealers, what is so bad about that? They certainly don’t give a shit whose son or daughter’s life that they poison.
[/quote]
As long as they don’t push it on kids I don’t care.
People make up their own minds, and they do choose to take drugs.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
Lazy doctors who don’t want to work?
Doctors don’t work on an ambulance, so who are you talking about?
The doctors at hospital who attend people arriving in an ambulance.
If I was a ambulance driver feeling lazy I would hardly trade work for getting choked by a cop.
You are making no sense what so ever, in the video the problem is that the ambulance didn’t pull over to allow the right of way. Granted PD had no right to do what they did (the chokeout move) but the ambulance was in the wrong.[/quote]
If you seriously still don’t get the joke I give up.
The cop clearly had nothing better to do with his time, so why the fuck did he need them to give way. I would put an ambulance over police in road terms any day.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
Lazy doctors who don’t want to work?
Doctors don’t work on an ambulance, so who are you talking about?
The doctors at hospital who attend people arriving in an ambulance.
If I was a ambulance driver feeling lazy I would hardly trade work for getting choked by a cop.
You are making no sense what so ever, in the video the problem is that the ambulance didn’t pull over to allow the right of way. Granted PD had no right to do what they did (the chokeout move) but the ambulance was in the wrong.
If you seriously still don’t get the joke I give up.
The cop clearly had nothing better to do with his time, so why the fuck did he need them to give way. I would put an ambulance over police in road terms any day.[/quote]
That is the law in Austria:
Ambulances-> Firefighters → Police → all other emergency vehicles.
The cop would have had to make way, though usually he would speed up and clear the street in front of the ambulance.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
So what does that mean? If I were to post videos of black people looting during hurricane Katrina or the LA riots in the 90’s would that mean that ALL black people were criminals?
What do you want to do? Eliminate the police? If you didn’t have police in this country, it wouldn’t take too long before riots worse than the LA ones in the 90’s destroyed every major city in the US.
If you didn’t have cops, the gang bangers and criminal elements would completely go on a robbing, raping and killing spree.
All that you would have left was vigilante and mob justice whose brutality would make that video look like Mr. Rodger’s neighborhood.
Life is brutal. America is full of brutality and our large cities are full of unspeakable brutality.
By entrusting a few people like police with force you would have far less brutality than if mobs or vigilantes did it. In this country police have to be a little brutal sometimes…
In fact, I think that we coddle criminals too much here.
[/quote]
Noone wants to eliminate the Police. Police officers for the most part are people who should not be officers. In other words, if wanna be a cop you should most likely not be one.
BTW: Police officers caused the riots in LA. SO it’s funny how you use that as an example of the doom that would become us if we didn’t have the Police, when it is because of the Police that black people rioted. This is downright comical.
And if black people loot during katrina, so what? Why portray black people as uncivilized looters when it’s such a small minority that did it. If 1% occupies 90% of the news time, somethings wrong.
IMO, they can have the soggy clothes, electronics and whatever else they looted out of the leveled city. It harmed noone. Everything was a write off anyway. They’d rather throw it in the garbage after the hurricane then to see a black person loot it. lol. Loot what? Junk? lol. Who cares. And you can’t stop it anyway.
Cops are angry trigger happy asses for the most part. they love to power trip and are racists for the most part. Thats the demographic thats drawn to this profession. Mostly dickheads with a cool guy here and there, but then the cops in the department hate the guy. I know it first hand, i carry a family member card.
Haven’t you noticed the epidemic of police shootings in the last few years? The Police attitude is getting more and more nonchalant toward “THEM”. To the point where they even shoot their own cops for Gods sake, you really don’t see problems brewing with the state of affairs with this country’s Police? The violence is escalating and will continue to escalate.
Even of guns are banned and confiscated, the populace will still be able to resist if confrontations happened. Molotov cocktails are the ultimate equalizer. Nothing can resist them for long, lol, even tanks go down.
[quote]orion wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Glad those cops were there
Hey " to serve and to protect "
The question becomes, to serve and to protect who?
Lazy doctors who don’t want to work?
Doctors don’t work on an ambulance, so who are you talking about?
The doctors at hospital who attend people arriving in an ambulance.
If I was a ambulance driver feeling lazy I would hardly trade work for getting choked by a cop.
You are making no sense what so ever, in the video the problem is that the ambulance didn’t pull over to allow the right of way. Granted PD had no right to do what they did (the chokeout move) but the ambulance was in the wrong.
If you seriously still don’t get the joke I give up.
The cop clearly had nothing better to do with his time, so why the fuck did he need them to give way. I would put an ambulance over police in road terms any day.
That is the law in Austria:
Ambulances-> Firefighters → Police → all other emergency vehicles.
The cop would have had to make way, though usually he would speed up and clear the street in front of the ambulance.
[/quote]
The law is the same here in the states, if the emergency vehicle is running with lights and siren. If you are not then an ambulance or fire truck is to obey all traffic laws the same as a any other citizen.
The ambulance in the video was doing a non-emergent transport so all traffic laws are to be obeyed. I agree the cop did not handle the situation correctly. He should have met them at the hospital had their supervisor respond to the location and issued the citation there. Once he found out they were transporting.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Noone wants to eliminate the Police. Police officers for the most part are people who should not be officers. In other words, if wanna be a cop you should most likely not be one. [/quote]
And what exactly are you basing this on? This opinion that current police should not be police?
[quote]Gregus wrote:
BTW: Police officers caused the riots in LA. SO it’s funny how you use that as an example of the doom that would become us if we didn’t have the Police, when it is because of the Police that black people rioted. This is downright comical. [/quote]
Actually it was the acquittal by jury of the police that caused the rioting. People rioting over not getting their way over a court decision is one example of mob brutality in action. People doing it over their basketball team winning a championship is another. Armed police stop mob brutality. This is not to mention that criminal gang elements are also kept in check by police.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
And if black people loot during katrina, so what? Why portray black people as uncivilized looters when it’s such a small minority that did it. If 1% occupies 90% of the news time, somethings wrong. [/quote]
Only a small minority of police do things like beat the shit out of Rodney King, yet who judge them all by the minority. I see more problems with violent crime in America than I do with rogue cops.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
IMO, they can have the soggy clothes, electronics and whatever else they looted out of the leveled city. It harmed noone. Everything was a write off anyway. They’d rather throw it in the garbage after the hurricane then to see a black person loot it. lol. Loot what? Junk? lol. Who cares. And you can’t stop it anyway. [/quote]
Actually a lot of the things stolen were in good shape. Criminal elements there, as in LA, used circumstances as an excuse to commit more crimes. Katrina “refugees” are also full of notorious thieves, rapists, murderers and worse.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Cops are angry trigger happy asses for the most part. they love to power trip and are racists for the most part. Thats the demographic thats drawn to this profession. Mostly dickheads with a cool guy here and there, but then the cops in the department hate the guy. I know it first hand, i carry a family member card. [/quote]
Your generalizations and assumptions are similar in reasoning to any bigot.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Haven’t you noticed the epidemic of police shootings in the last few years? The Police attitude is getting more and more nonchalant toward “THEM”. To the point where they even shoot their own cops for Gods sake, you really don’t see problems brewing with the state of affairs with this country’s Police? The violence is escalating and will continue to escalate. [/quote]
I have seen many more cops getting shit by criminal scum,yes. When people are shooting at you, you tend to shoot back.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/48023762.html?cmpid=15585797
I could post endless of these. Note the cop who was shot had a deep, dark tan.
Even of guns are banned and confiscated, the populace will still be able to resist if confrontations happened. Molotov cocktails are the ultimate equalizer. Nothing can resist them for long, lol, even tanks go down. [/quote]
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
Actually I am proposing sealing the border and attacking the actual plants. It’s a different approach that has been employed.
How could you possibly attack the plants? I knew guys that grew massive amounts of pot in their attics.
That said, I am for building a wall. It won’t get the job done on its own, but it will help.
That said, this talk of killing meth makers and shooting illegal immigrants is sick.
mike
I don’t care about pot. I am talking about coke, heroin and meth. The former would be very easy to eradicate. Something like 93% of the worlds heroin comes from Afghanistan and it is grown outdoors. A planned attack on a few countries could greatly eradicate coke and heroin. Building a wall would cut down on the other drugs and illegal immigrants that flow across our border. As for shooting scumbag meth dealers, what is so bad about that? They certainly don’t give a shit whose son or daughter’s life that they poison.
[/quote]
Coke and Heroin have been illegal since I was born; they have been arresting people all this time, what have they accomplished? , other than to spend our money and create a police state.
You have some radical opinions on how to deal with meth Dealers, if some one did not like YOU, they could kill YOU and claim you were a meth dealer. Then all would be OK.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I may have missed some of your questions and if I did (sorry) please in your next post label one paragraph for questions; I will do my best to answer them
Let’s start over again and see how this goes. I have laid out how I would deal with the drug problem in America. While you don’t like mine, I would like to hear what your plan is.
pittbulll wrote:
As far as building a wall around America, one of the reasons (in my opinion) why we can not build this wall is because we are a democratic republic. We can not agree on how to spend a little money. Also if you could build this wall they will figure out how to top it or they will go under it. What I am saying is it won�?�¢??t be very effective
We agree on Iraq.
So what if we are a democratic republic? We have borders as it is, what is so wrong with protecting them with a wall? As for people digging under them… there are ways we could utilize technology to maintain it. You can find excuses not to do it, but I don’t think technological deficiencies is one of them.
pittbulll wrote:
Your approach to use herbicides makes me glad that you do not control this problem. The way I would see it, if you did poison some one with your herbicide, you would be guilty of manslaughter or negligent homicide at best. But if our conversation was made public, it could be a capital crime.
The governments of countries like Afghanistan, Columbia,etc. are obviously too corrupt or incompetent to get rid of their cash crops that poison countless numbers of Americans every day; ruining lives and families in countless ways. If it is a true WAR on drugs, you need to extirpate the plants instead of clipping away at the leaves. In a war sometimes people get hurt.
My plan would be to legalize and regulate all drugs, just like alcohol and tobacco. You would go to the drug store and buy what ever you want. I personally see no place for Meth, because high grade amphetamines would be available. It would bring down costs because no one would go to jail for dealing drugs.
When price falls the criminal element would lose interest in drugs because there would not be enough profit in it to even try and compete with the free market.
Mexico would have a much easier time with out fighting our war on drugs. The Taliban and Al kida would have to find other revenue sources to supply the money to make terror
We could let all non violent drug offenders out of prison; we could stop searching every car we pull over, leaving cops to go after bad guys
The problem of building a fence is, in my humble opinion, it wonâ??t work. We would spend billions if not trillions to erect a fence that is easily overcome. And if drugs were legal that would be one less reason to spend all this money
We should fine the living shit out of people that hire illegal aliens. Being a small contractor, illegal aliens cost me a lot of money.
Countries like Afghanistan and Columbia could still grow there cash crop and sell there goods to Pharmacology companies and Herbal brokers to make their money. It may even be a boon to those very poor countries
I know not everything is going to go smooth, but we have been in a drug war since Richard Nixon and even decades before that. And all we have accomplished is to inflate the price of drugs. We have created neighborhoods in America that are battling to get their slice of money out of drugs. We have turned poor nations into battlegrounds because they want a slice of money from this over inflated product. We have turned our police into thugs harassing people they stop for traffic violations, all in the name of THE WAR ON DRUGS.
[/quote]
BUMP
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Coke and Heroin have been illegal since I was born; they have been arresting people all this time, what have they accomplished? , other than to spend our money and create a police state. [/quote]
What I am suggesting is different than what the government is doing. The plants are grown outside in the first place, right? So why not attack them and destroy the root cause? If there was no coke and heroin to begin with, there wouldn’t be a problem with it.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You have some radical opinions on how to deal with meth Dealers, if some one did not like YOU, they could kill YOU and claim you were a meth dealer. Then all would be OK.
[/quote]
They could claim that, but they would not have a shred of evidence to back up their ridiculous fabrications. Besides, the harshest laws should be applied to the root source of laws, i.e. the people who actually produce it from raw materials.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
Gregus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/825389/cops-release-video-of-paramedic-scuffle
Haven’t you noticed the epidemic of police shootings in the last few years? The Police attitude is getting more and more nonchalant toward “THEM”. To the point where they even shoot their own cops for Gods sake, you really don’t see problems brewing with the state of affairs with this country’s Police? The violence is escalating and will continue to escalate.
[/quote]
Have you noticed the epidemic of black on black violence?Black people kill,rob,assualt each other at a insanely disproportionate rate in comparison to their 13% overall population in America. But your problem is with the police.Thats fine.
I think most police officers are waking up now realizing if they do something and it gets on video tape they risk losing everything even if they are 100% right.If you think cops are more aggressive now then say in the 80’s your out of your mind.This new generation of cops can’t lay a finger on somebody without the media playing monday morning quarterback.It makes no sense for a police officer to be pro active in todays environment because no matter if they tase somebody,use a baton,or just use there bare hands to subdue a perp it will look bad.You’ll see more and more becoming reactive meaning just take a complaint report and call it a day.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
They could claim that, but they would not have a shred of evidence to back up their ridiculous fabrications. Besides, the harshest laws should be applied to the root source of laws, i.e. the people who actually produce it from raw materials.
[/quote]
Most of the producers of the raw materials are probably just poor villagers trying to earn enough to provide for their families, under the control of the drug syndicates.
But seriously if I want to take Meth or Heroin you shouldn’t be able to send armed thugs to attack me because of it.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
They could claim that, but they would not have a shred of evidence to back up their ridiculous fabrications. Besides, the harshest laws should be applied to the root source of laws, i.e. the people who actually produce it from raw materials.
Most of the producers of the raw materials are probably just poor villagers trying to earn enough to provide for their families, under the control of the drug syndicates.
But seriously if I want to take Meth or Heroin you shouldn’t be able to send armed thugs to attack me because of it.[/quote]
In many cases with Meth this is not true, it is addicts cooking it in their residence with kids being exposed to the toxic off gases and waste from its production.
So unfortunately if you want to produce meth I’m all for armed thugs coming to get you.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
They could claim that, but they would not have a shred of evidence to back up their ridiculous fabrications. Besides, the harshest laws should be applied to the root source of laws, i.e. the people who actually produce it from raw materials.
Most of the producers of the raw materials are probably just poor villagers trying to earn enough to provide for their families, under the control of the drug syndicates.
But seriously if I want to take Meth or Heroin you shouldn’t be able to send armed thugs to attack me because of it.
In many cases with Meth this is not true, it is addicts cooking it in their residence with kids being exposed to the toxic off gases and waste from its production.
So unfortunately if you want to produce meth I’m all for armed thugs coming to get you.[/quote]
I never said it was fine to cook meth where it would direct affect children. That only happens because it is illegal.