Police Brutality

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

Considering I did not make this statement, I will however defend it. Do you think because the cop catches bad guys on the subway, that they have the right to harass law abiding citizens?

Did you ever watch cops? Every criminal on there claims to be “law abiding”…
Are there bad cops…yes. Does this make them all bad…no…
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This is where my opposition to the war on drugs comes in; I personally have no problem with the cops bashing the head of some rapist, mugger or other degenerate that perpetrates misery on other people. But the war on drugs makes a large percentage of people criminal. That are law abiding otherwise and makes no distinction between a pot smoker and a rapist
Also the war on drugs gives the Cops the right to stick their nose into anybodyâ??s life with no just cause.
Also when I watch Cops, all I see is a bunch of want to be tough guys whooping up on the druggies. I see cops violating all the civil right of the people they are arresting.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:

Even more of a joke is what NYC police officers start at salary wise:
http://www.ny1.com/Default.aspx?SecID=1000&ArID=81778

Well, perhaps they should consider a different line of work if the pay is so bad.

mike[/quote]

I doubt that most of them are in it for the money.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

This is where my opposition to the war on drugs comes in; I personally have no problem with the cops bashing the head of some rapist, mugger or other degenerate that perpetrates misery on other people. But the war on drugs makes a large percentage of people criminal. That are law abiding otherwise and makes no distinction between a pot smoker and a rapist[/quote]

Police do not make laws, they only enforce them. If tomorrow the government decriminalizes marijuana, then the police will not arrest pot smokers. If you are angry about the drug laws, your anger should be directed at politicians, not cops.

As for a war on drugs, certain drugs should be made war on like heroin,meth, crack etc. Many of these drugs cause people to commit crimes in the first place.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Also the war on drugs gives the Cops the right to stick their nose into anybodyâ??s life with no just cause.
Also when I watch Cops, all I see is a bunch of want to be tough guys whooping up on the druggies. I see cops violating all the civil right of the people they are arresting. [/quote]

Really? When I watch cops I see police busting a lot of drug related crimes, which usually encompasses everything from simple property theft to aggravated assault, stopping husbands from beating up their wives and in general babysitting idiots.

Some of these degenerate fucks could use a good ass kicking.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
I doubt that most of them are in it for the money.
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Then I shouldn’t hear any complaining about it.

mike

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

This is where my opposition to the war on drugs comes in; I personally have no problem with the cops bashing the head of some rapist, mugger or other degenerate that perpetrates misery on other people. But the war on drugs makes a large percentage of people criminal. That are law abiding otherwise and makes no distinction between a pot smoker and a rapist

Police do not make laws, they only enforce them. If tomorrow the government decriminalizes marijuana, then the police will not arrest pot smokers. If you are angry about the drug laws, your anger should be directed at politicians, not cops.

As for a war on drugs, certain drugs should be made war on like heroin,meth, crack etc. Many of these drugs cause people to commit crimes in the first place.
pittbulll wrote:
Also the war on drugs gives the Cops the right to stick their nose into anybody�¢??s life with no just cause.
Also when I watch Cops, all I see is a bunch of want to be tough guys whooping up on the druggies. I see cops violating all the civil right of the people they are arresting.

Really? When I watch cops I see police busting a lot of drug related crimes, which usually encompasses everything from simple property theft to aggravated assault, stopping husbands from beating up their wives and in general babysitting idiots.

Some of these degenerate fucks could use a good ass kicking.
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I agree about changing the law.

As far as making war on meth or heroin, why, a war has been raging since the Nixon administration, what has been gained? They manage to take enough drugs off the street to make them very expensive, so in comes a criminal element (because of easy money for a small package) we create our own problems

We must watch 2 separate shows of Cops, the one I watch I see them tackling people walking up to a crack house. I see them stopping 2 guys walking across a parking lot in broad day light and coerce them into submitting to a search. I see bullies and thugs

Right now I see the war on drugs being a war on the poor and uneducated; they would not come into my neighbor hood and pull the shit they do in south Phoenix. Because my neighbors can afford lawyers and would sue their asses off.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

This is where my opposition to the war on drugs comes in; I personally have no problem with the cops bashing the head of some rapist, mugger or other degenerate that perpetrates misery on other people. But the war on drugs makes a large percentage of people criminal. That are law abiding otherwise and makes no distinction between a pot smoker and a rapist

Police do not make laws, they only enforce them. If tomorrow the government decriminalizes marijuana, then the police will not arrest pot smokers. If you are angry about the drug laws, your anger should be directed at politicians, not cops.

As for a war on drugs, certain drugs should be made war on like heroin,meth, crack etc. Many of these drugs cause people to commit crimes in the first place.
pittbulll wrote:
Also the war on drugs gives the Cops the right to stick their nose into anybody�?�¢??s life with no just cause.
Also when I watch Cops, all I see is a bunch of want to be tough guys whooping up on the druggies. I see cops violating all the civil right of the people they are arresting.

Really? When I watch cops I see police busting a lot of drug related crimes, which usually encompasses everything from simple property theft to aggravated assault, stopping husbands from beating up their wives and in general babysitting idiots.

Some of these degenerate fucks could use a good ass kicking.

I agree about changing the law.

As far as making war on meth or heroin, why, a war has been raging since the Nixon administration, what has been gained? They manage to take enough drugs off the street to make them very expensive, so in comes a criminal element (because of easy money for a small package) we create our own problems

We must watch 2 separate shows of Cops, the one I watch I see them tackling people walking up to a crack house. I see them stopping 2 guys walking across a parking lot in broad day light and coerce them into submitting to a search. I see bullies and thugs

Right now I see the war on drugs being a war on the poor and uneducated; they would not come into my neighbor hood and pull the shit they do in south Phoenix. Because my neighbors can afford lawyers and would sue their asses off.
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I have mine on speed dial.

For realz.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
I doubt that most of them are in it for the money.

Then I shouldn’t hear any complaining about it.

mike[/quote]

Maybe they aren’t in it for the money, but they do at least deserve to make a living wage, and it is my opinion that they are underpaid. They have a very difficult job that is necessary for the public safety. As of recent times they made as little as 25K a year which is a joke in NYC.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I agree about changing the law.[/quote]

Good then, so don’t blame your disdain of drug laws on police. Police don’t make laws, they just enforce them. Although luckily people like you who would apparently legalize hard drugs like heroin are confined mostly to mental institutions, so I don’t see this happening.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
As far as making war on meth or heroin, why, a war has been raging since the Nixon administration, what has been gained? They manage to take enough drugs off the street to make them very expensive, so in comes a criminal element (because of easy money for a small package) we create our own problems[/quote]

And I suppose that you think that if they were legal that they would be cheap? In NYC taxes alone on cigarettes cost 10$ a pack. Even if the mental patient/rehab crowd got their way, what do you think the taxes would be like on a dimebag of heroin? You think that they would be able to work at a job and pass a drug test? How about drive a car under the influence? Or better yet, seeing as though through tolerance, which requires more heroin to be used to get the same high, that they will go about supporting their habit besides robbing people?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We must watch 2 separate shows of Cops, the one I watch I see them tackling people walking up to a crack house. I see them stopping 2 guys walking across a parking lot in broad day light and coerce them into submitting to a search. I see bullies and thugs

Right now I see the war on drugs being a war on the poor and uneducated; they would not come into my neighbor hood and pull the shit they do in south Phoenix. Because my neighbors can afford lawyers and would sue their asses off.[/quote]

Maybe the homeowners and more affluent people tend to have jobs and maybe…just…maybe… are the type to actually listen to respect the police and maybe are more law abiding in general?

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I agree about changing the law.

Good then, so don’t blame your disdain of drug laws on police. Police don’t make laws, they just enforce them. Although luckily people like you who would apparently legalize hard drugs like heroin are confined mostly to mental institutions, so I don’t see this happening.

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Actually, those places are reserved for people who do the same thing over and over and over again, hoping that at their next try it will finally work.

I think that that describes people like you quite nicely.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:

Maybe the homeowners and more affluent people tend to have jobs and maybe…just…maybe… are the type to actually listen to respect the police and maybe are more law abiding in general?
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Hardly.

We just know whom to call when those uniformed thugs get uppity.

Did I mention that I have my lawyer on speed dial?

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I agree about changing the law.

Good then, so don’t blame your disdain of drug laws on police. Police don’t make laws, they just enforce them. Although luckily people like you who would apparently legalize hard drugs like heroin are confined mostly to mental institutions, so I don’t see this happening.
pittbulll wrote:
As far as making war on meth or heroin, why, a war has been raging since the Nixon administration, what has been gained? They manage to take enough drugs off the street to make them very expensive, so in comes a criminal element (because of easy money for a small package) we create our own problems

And I suppose that you think that if they were legal that they would be cheap? In NYC taxes alone on cigarettes cost 10$ a pack. Even if the mental patient/rehab crowd got their way, what do you think the taxes would be like on a dimebag of heroin? You think that they would be able to work at a job and pass a drug test? How about drive a car under the influence? Or better yet, seeing as though through tolerance, which requires more heroin to be used to get the same high, that they will go about supporting their habit besides robbing people?

pittbulll wrote:
We must watch 2 separate shows of Cops, the one I watch I see them tackling people walking up to a crack house. I see them stopping 2 guys walking across a parking lot in broad day light and coerce them into submitting to a search. I see bullies and thugs

Right now I see the war on drugs being a war on the poor and uneducated; they would not come into my neighbor hood and pull the shit they do in south Phoenix. Because my neighbors can afford lawyers and would sue their asses off.

Maybe the homeowners and more affluent people tend to have jobs and maybe…just…maybe… are the type to actually listen to respect the police and maybe are more law abiding in general?
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I do not blame the cops for enforcing the laws, any of them. But when I see cops abusing rights and harassing innocent people, it pisses me off. Why I have problems with cops enforcing the laws surrounding drugs is they do so a little too enthusiastically.

Well even if drugs were no cheaper, if you could eliminate the criminal element in drugs, we would all be better off, but I personally think especially drugs like heroin would be free, (most) not all drug addicts would be as non functional just as they are today. But if they did feel so inclined to join the human race a drug test would not hold them back

Another advantage of legal drugs would be if you could get a high grade amphetamine, why you would do a drug that kills you, makes you skin break out and you teeth to fall out like meth.

I suppose just because we have laws prohibiting drugs, that we have no one driving cars under the influence, I feel a whole lot safer now. I would have never thought of that one

Personally I do not see any advantage you gain by trying to insult me, you got to be a cop. Whether you are or not it shows you have a tendency to be an ass.

Humor me and tell me one victory that the war on drugs has claimed. What drug has been eradicated?

I think if drugs were legal we would have to lay off ½ of the police. We could close ½ of our prisons. And that is why all people in law enforcement do not even want marijuana legalized.

Another reason they do not want to legalize drugs is that we have treaties with other countries on how drugs should be treated. I think the best you could hope for with marijuana is go Medical and decriminalize it.

Also the war on drugs allows the police to stick their nose into anybodyâ??s business at any time. It is an excuse to have a Police state

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Some of my brothers from the insane asylum

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I do not blame the cops for enforcing the laws, any of them. But when I see cops abusing rights and harassing innocent people, it pisses me off. Why I have problems with cops enforcing the laws surrounding drugs is they do so a little too enthusiastically.[/quote]

Actually the guy who just raped the 4 yr. old who the cop pulled over because he has bad tags is technically innocent until proven guilty, as is the junkie who just make her 9 yr. old daughter prostitute herself so she could score a few dime bags… Or better yet maybe you get a call and catch a guy raping a kid in the act, what do you do then? Do your bullshit liberal Mary Poppins routine?

Do you know how many crimes people who deal with drugs directly or indirectly cause in the first place?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Well even if drugs were no cheaper, if you could eliminate the criminal element in drugs, we would all be better off, but I personally think especially drugs like heroin would be free, (most) not all drug addicts would be as non functional just as they are today. But if they did feel so inclined to join the human race a drug test would not hold them back[/quote]

So heroin would be free? Would this include kids too?
And there is no such thing as “free” drugs. This would mean that taxpayers would subsidize this habit.
And even if hard drugs were decriminalized, between government taxation and biochemical tolerance, hard drugs could never be “cheap” and the people that did them would still be unemployable. Unless along with their free dime bags they get free rent and food too.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Another advantage of legal drugs would be if you could get a high grade amphetamine, why you would do a drug that kills you, makes you skin break out and you teeth to fall out like meth.[/quote]

Why would you do meth in the first place?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I suppose just because we have laws prohibiting drugs, that we have no one driving cars under the influence, I feel a whole lot safer now. I would have never thought of that one[/quote]

If you make these drugs legal, like alcohol, then you would have to establish limits for how much of the drug can be in a user’s system before they get charged with a dui for that substance.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Personally I do not see any advantage you gain by trying to insult me, you got to be a cop. Whether you are or not it shows you have a tendency to be an ass.

Humor me and tell me one victory that the war on drugs has claimed. What drug has been eradicated?[/quote]

If we started blasting poppy fields and cocaine plants with specially designed herbicides, I bet we could put a dent in the supplies of some hard drugs. How about a little border control too? It seems to me that the government doesn’t have a total war on drugs. Then we could focus on the meth labs and homegrown stuff… Harsher laws and no country club jails with cable tv either…

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think if drugs were legal we would have to lay off �½ of the police. We could close �½ of our prisons. And that is why all people in law enforcement do not even want marijuana legalized.

Another reason they do not want to legalize drugs is that we have treaties with other countries on how drugs should be treated. I think the best you could hope for with marijuana is go Medical and decriminalize it.

Also the war on drugs allows the police to stick their nose into anybodyâ??s business at any time. It is an excuse to have a Police state
[/quote]

Actually I think that you are wrong about pot. “Big brother” states like California can’t balance their checkbooks and are looking to legalize pot so that they can have some more tax money to waste and be fiscally irresponsible with.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Do your bullshit liberal Mary Poppins routine?

I do agree, junkies tend to be some of the worse examples of human beings, but making it illegal does not make the problem go away, it makes it worse

So heroin would be free? Would this include kids too?

I assume you are brighter than you act, of course we regulate drugs like we do alcohol, or even more so. Another issue for the legalization of drugs is that I started smoking pot before I started drinking alcohol, â??whyâ?? you ask simple I could not buy alcohol but pot was very easy to get.

Why would you do meth in the first place?

I don’t

If you make these drugs legal, like alcohol, then you would have to establish limits for how much of the drug can be in a user’s system before they get charged with a dui for that substance.

I did not say my plan would be as simple as Arrest , beat up and throw all drug users in jail. Jail would still be in the cards of some drug users, I think most Americans can see away around (your) insurmountable issues.

Humor me and tell me one victory that the war on drugs has claimed. What drug has been eradicated?

If we started blasting poppy fields and cocaine plants with specially designed herbicides, I bet we could put a dent in the supplies of some hard drugs. How about a little border control too? It seems to me that the government doesn’t have a total war on drugs. Then we could focus on the meth labs and homegrown stuff… Harsher laws and no country club jails with cable tv either…

We did that back in the 70�¢??s , do you remember paraquat , it was an herbaside they sprayed on marijuana , it made a bunch of people sick and killed a few . That is the way to make America safer. So basically your answer is dominate the world , turn it into a police world . We could pay for it all with pocket change
pittbulll wrote:
I think if drugs were legal we would have to lay off �??�??�?�½ of the police. We could close �??�??�?�½ of our prisons. And that is why all people in law enforcement do not even want marijuana legalized.

Actually I think that you are wrong about pot. “Big brother” states like California can’t balance their checkbooks and are looking to legalize pot so that they can have some more tax money to waste and be fiscally irresponsible with.

[/quote]

You still did not answer what victory the war on drugs claim, I could list the costs until my fingers were bleeding from typing, Money, Life, Quality of life, rude police looking for drugs, and after making all these payments to the war on drugs, we still have the drug problem.

Only now we have battles between rival drug gangs killing each other and a lot of innocent as well. And drug users have to generate a lot of money to get their poison, when they have no legitimate way to get it.

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Could someone tell me how to anwser line by line Thanks

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You still did not answer what victory the war on drugs claim, I could list the costs until my fingers were bleeding from typing, Money, Life, Quality of life, rude police looking for drugs, and after making all these payments to the war on drugs, we still have the drug problem.

Only now we have battles between rival drug gangs killing each other and a lot of innocent as well. And drug users have to generate a lot of money to get their poison, when they have no legitimate way to get it.
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There are tons of questions you didn’t answer of mine, but I will re-answer yours.
Just because we have been fighting a war on drugs does not mean that we have been fighting it the right way. Lots of drugs come in through the Mexican border into the country and yet due to political correctness, we don’t do anything about closing the border.

How much sense does this make? We could also easily “help” foreign governments eliminate heroin and cocaine by having our military spray their crops with herbicides that would kill the plants. Then we could focus on the domestically produced drugs. Also, I actually think we are too wimpy with the death penalty in this country. If we fried people for making meth, they would either think twice about it, or we could have a few less idiots consuming air on planet earth.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
You still did not answer what victory the war on drugs claim, I could list the costs until my fingers were bleeding from typing, Money, Life, Quality of life, rude police looking for drugs, and after making all these payments to the war on drugs, we still have the drug problem.

Only now we have battles between rival drug gangs killing each other and a lot of innocent as well. And drug users have to generate a lot of money to get their poison, when they have no legitimate way to get it.

There are tons of questions you didn’t answer of mine, but I will re-answer yours.
Just because we have been fighting a war on drugs does not mean that we have been fighting it the right way. Lots of drugs come in through the Mexican border into the country and yet due to political correctness, we don’t do anything about closing the border.

How much sense does this make? We could also easily “help” foreign governments eliminate heroin and cocaine by having our military spray their crops with herbicides that would kill the plants. Then we could focus on the domestically produced drugs. Also, I actually think we are too wimpy with the death penalty in this country. If we fried people for making meth, they would either think twice about it, or we could have a few less idiots consuming air on planet earth.

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I have a much simpler idea.

We simply kill all the people who either want to control other people or kill them.

That way we get rid of all the sociopaths, be they in law enforcement or not and it would be way cheaper and easier to do that.

Besides, there are countries that pretty much do what you propose.

And their “citizens” still do drugs.

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[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
You still did not answer what victory the war on drugs claim, I could list the costs until my fingers were bleeding from typing, Money, Life, Quality of life, rude police looking for drugs, and after making all these payments to the war on drugs, we still have the drug problem.

Only now we have battles between rival drug gangs killing each other and a lot of innocent as well. And drug users have to generate a lot of money to get their poison, when they have no legitimate way to get it.

There are tons of questions you didn’t answer of mine, but I will re-answer yours.
Just because we have been fighting a war on drugs does not mean that we have been fighting it the right way. Lots of drugs come in through the Mexican border into the country and yet due to political correctness, we don’t do anything about closing the border.

How much sense does this make? We could also easily “help” foreign governments eliminate heroin and cocaine by having our military spray their crops with herbicides that would kill the plants. Then we could focus on the domestically produced drugs. Also, I actually think we are too wimpy with the death penalty in this country. If we fried people for making meth, they would either think twice about it, or we could have a few less idiots consuming air on planet earth.

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Please ask me specific questions I will do my best to give you specific answers. So I am assuming by your answer you are saying we should escalate the war to win. .

The Mexican border is 1969 miles long, how do you plan on guarding that. How much money would it cost? I personally live on that border, it would be impossible to monitor it. It is not political correctness. It is vast We have had smugglers build ramps on trucks , meet at a designated area , cross the border with a convoy and drive into the Metro Phoenix area with out even taking a road.

As far as your views on the death penalty, I am glad you are not king of America. I think we need a death penalty, but should only use it for people that can not be trusted in society. Why would you stop with just frying meth makers, why not heroin pushers, marijuana dealers, convenient store clerks for selling alcohol and tobacco?

As far as using an herbicide, would this drug poison the product? Because if it did poison the people some one or some agency could be guilty of murder. And we are back to just reducing the amount of the drug making it all worth more money . That approach only encourages the criminal element

When I grew up the best conservative value was the value of money. Now conservative values are anything the fundamentalists want and Liberals are anybody that thinks there could be a better way

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Phil ,this is by a conservative Judge out of Orange Ca.

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[quote]orion wrote:

I have a much simpler idea.

We simply kill all the people who either want to control other people or kill them.[/quote]

I could write up a simple list of people who deserve to get two in the back of the skull and pedophiles would be at the top of the list. Does this mean that I want to “control” someone because I don’t want them raping my 4 yr. old daughter? Who deserves to be killed here? It is obvious that society has to draw the line between socially acceptable and unacceptable.

[quote]orion wrote:
That way we get rid of all the sociopaths, be they in law enforcement or not and it would be way cheaper and easier to do that.[/quote]

I think that people addicted to drugs like heroin and crack are by definition sociopaths.

Besides, there are countries that pretty much do what you propose.

And their “citizens” still do drugs.