All very commendable terms, Ruff, in my humble belagana opinion.
I like “blanket asses” for Navajos and Apaches, myself.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
All very commendable terms, Ruff, in my humble belagana opinion.
I like “blanket asses” for Navajos and Apaches, myself. [/quote]
Actually never heard that one.
trail nigger or res nigger is what I generally heard.
I was called “apple” (red on outside, white inside) by lazy sack of shit res niggers that liked to collect government checks.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
All very commendable terms, Ruff, in my humble belagana opinion.
I like “blanket asses” for Navajos and Apaches, myself. [/quote]
Actually never heard that one.
trail nigger or res nigger is what I generally heard.
I was called “apple” (red on outside, white inside) by lazy sack of shit res niggers that liked to collect government checks.[/quote]
Yeah, “timber nigger” and “prairie nigger” are others I’ve heard. At least there’s a distinction drawn between the woodland and plains tribes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
How do the black people in that area react when a white person or hispanic person uses the word? [/quote]
All black people don’t think or act the same.
[quote]
How do they react when the word is used and directed at them in a positive/negative sense? [/quote]
All black people don’t think or act the same.
[quote]
How do the black people react when another black person calls them the same word, more than likely in a positive sense?[/quote]
All black people don’t think or act the same.
[quote]
Is the word the problem, or who is saying it?[/quote]
All black people don’t think or act the same.
I am not playing games when I write this either.
I am just showing how the predominant thought is always back to all of us acting as one entity…
That word doesn’t mean what is used to to previous generations. Different people respond differently.
There is no “black response” to this.[/quote]
Yet the mantra of “kill Whitey” or looking at White people as the devil is a commonality, when not all White people are the same. Works both ways.
Varq, you really really like pigger. Can’t we just use it for fat people?
I don’t think any invented derogatory word for White/Caucasian will ever perceived as offensive
as ‘‘nigger’’ is to blacks…I just don’t see it…no way…Whites generally have never been subjugated, that’s
the reason why.
Blacks with ‘‘Nigger’’ being offensive…Jews, with ‘‘Kike’’ being as offensive as ‘Nigger’,
and as a gender Women being called ‘‘Cunts’’ is very offensive.
‘‘Spic’’ for in the U.S. is somewhat offensive to Hispanics, but not nearly on the level
of the other words above…not even close.
Historic subjugation of a people (or gender) is absolutely necessary for offensive racial slurs to BE offensive,
So It’s impossible, no matter how clever one is, to invent a word for whites as offensive as ‘‘Nigger’’ is to Blacks, ‘‘Kike’’ is to
Jews, or calling a woman, a ‘‘Cunt’’.
White people have never been subjugated?
Karado, do you know where the word “slave” comes from?
I somewhat double posted here to drive my point…thing is, in the USA we have VERY short memories,
well, not JUST in the USA, but in the apparently highly educated Japanese youth.
In the Documentary ‘‘White Light, Black Rain’’, a number of Japanese youth were asked, ‘what happened on
August 5th 1945’…wrong guesses every time…mind blowing.
Proving that there will be youth 50 years from now HERE who will forget 9-11-01 when asked.
[quote]Karado wrote:
In the Documentary ‘‘White Light, Black Rain’’, a number of Japanese youth were asked, ‘what happened on
August 5th 1945’…wrong guesses every time…mind blowing.
[/quote]
If that’s the question they were asked, no wonder they couldn’t answer.
The bombing of Hiroshima happened on the morning of August 6th.
Now you’re just playing games with timezones :-P. Try writing up meeting minutes and having to write multiple dates/times based on what country was there, it sucks!
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
WILMINGTON, Del. (CBS) - Police in Wilmington are investigating the reported gang rape of two women at a park in Delaware.
Police say two women, ages 32 and 24, were reportedly attacked and sexually assaulted by a group of 10 to 12 black male juveniles in Kosciuszko Park at about 6:54 p.m. Thursday. According to police, the suspects, who range in age from 12 to 17-years-old, remain on the loose. The victims were transported to Christiana Hospital for treatment.
Wilmington police increased patrols Friday in the park which is located in the 600 block of South Franklin Street in the Hedgeville Community. At this time no arrests have been made and police say they have no witnesses. The incident remains under investigation by the Wilmington Police
Anyone with information is urged to call:
Detective Joseph Cooper @ 302.576.3634
Wilmington Police Confidential Tip Line @ 302.576.3990
This is just one of a legion of brutal attacks and is only the beginning. Stay strong mentally, physically and spiritually for those you care about.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
In the Documentary ‘‘White Light, Black Rain’’, a number of Japanese youth were asked, ‘what happened on
August 5th 1945’…wrong guesses every time…mind blowing.
[/quote]
If that’s the question they were asked, no wonder they couldn’t answer.
The bombing of Hiroshima happened on the morning of August 6th.
[/quote]
It was 8/6 here, but 8/5 in the US.
But I’m guessing you know that, and are implying it was a dumb way to ask the question.[/quote]
I’m implying that if you asked a hundred Japanese school kids what happened on “Showa 20, hatchigatsu muika”, you will get a chorus of “genbaku!”
If you instead asked what happened on “Showa 20, hachigatsu itsuka”, you would get blank faces and “ee? Wakkannaai.”
Not a lot of room for maneuvering when asking questions to Japanese school kids after a certain number of years at public school. There is only one right answer to most questions, and if the question’s slightly wrong, there’s likely to be no answer at all.
I don’t know if Karado’s documentary asked a flawed question, or was dealing with kids too young to have been taught “hachigatsu muika = genbaku” at school, but the defining event of 20th Century Japan being unknown to a generation of young Japanese is something I find impossible to believe.
Would be like a Jewish kid having never heard of the Holocaust.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
In the Documentary ‘‘White Light, Black Rain’’, a number of Japanese youth were asked, ‘what happened on
August 5th 1945’…wrong guesses every time…mind blowing.
[/quote]
If that’s the question they were asked, no wonder they couldn’t answer.
The bombing of Hiroshima happened on the morning of August 6th.
[/quote]
It was 8/6 here, but 8/5 in the US.
But I’m guessing you know that, and are implying it was a dumb way to ask the question.[/quote]
I’m implying that if you asked a hundred Japanese school kids what happened on “Showa 20, hatchigatsu muika”, you will get a chorus of “genbaku!”
If you instead asked what happened on “Showa 20, hachigatsu itsuka”, you would get blank faces and “ee? Wakkannaai.”
Not a lot of room for maneuvering when asking questions to Japanese school kids after a certain number of years at public school. There is only one right answer to most questions, and if the question’s slightly wrong, there’s likely to be no answer at all.
I don’t know if Karado’s documentary asked a flawed question, or was dealing with kids too young to have been taught “hachigatsu muika = genbaku” at school, but the defining event of 20th Century Japan being unknown to a generation of young Japanese is something I find impossible to believe.
Would be like a Jewish kid having never heard of the Holocaust.
[/quote]
Totally in agreement.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Would be like a Jewish kid having never heard of the Holocaust.
[/quote]
Excepting the Jews didn’t get thrown in ovens in response to being an imperilaistic power that invaded China, Korea, and the Philippines, bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor and basically sunk 1/2 our fleet without provocation, bombed islands in Alaska, invaded Guam, generally disrupted trade and pirated our and our allies commercial vessels throughout the Pacific, was poised to invade Australia, took civilian and military prisons and subjected said prisoners to medical horrors and deprivations that would have made Dr. Mengele blush.
Sorry, but the fact that the Japanese schools don’t teach the kids why the heck the USA bombed them — and the fact that the bombing probably saved Japanese lives given how they fought to the death — is inexcusible. They were not the victims here.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Would be like a Jewish kid having never heard of the Holocaust.
[/quote]
Excepting the Jews didn’t get thrown in ovens in response to being an imperilaistic power that invaded China, Korea, and the Philippines, bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor and basically sunk 1/2 our fleet without provocation, bombed islands in Alaska, invaded Guam, generally disrupted trade and pirated our and our allies commercial vessels throughout the Pacific, was poised to invade Australia, took civilian and military prisons and subjected said prisoners to medical horrors and deprivations that would have made Dr. Mengele blush.
Sorry, but the fact that the Japanese schools don’t teach the kids why the heck the USA bombed them — and the fact that the bombing probably saved Japanese lives given how they fought to the death — is inexcusable. They were not the victims here.[/quote]
You sound like my grandfather when I was a kid (101st airborne) and I am in total agreement…it’s amazing how many people will argue to the death that the Japanese were somehow victims in WWII.
Americans of Japanese descent excluded.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Would be like a Jewish kid having never heard of the Holocaust.
[/quote]
Excepting the Jews didn’t get thrown in ovens in response to being an imperilaistic power that invaded China, Korea, and the Philippines, bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor and basically sunk 1/2 our fleet without provocation, bombed islands in Alaska, invaded Guam, generally disrupted trade and pirated our and our allies commercial vessels throughout the Pacific, was poised to invade Australia, took civilian and military prisons and subjected said prisoners to medical horrors and deprivations that would have made Dr. Mengele blush.
Sorry, but the fact that the Japanese schools don’t teach the kids why the heck the USA bombed them — and the fact that the bombing probably saved Japanese lives given how they fought to the death — is inexcusible. They were not the victims here.[/quote]
Well, yes, although that’s not really the point. My point was that Japanese students are generally taught historical data that they can regurgitate on command, rather like multiplication facts or the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter.
Ask a Japanese kid to calculate the diameter of the earth given the length of the equator and he’ll have an answer for you faster than if you’d used a calculator. Ask him to tell you a bit about the intrigues of Eratosthenes, and he might look at you blankly and shrug. The life of the guy who first figured out the circumference of the earth is irrelevant to him: what matters is the objective answer to the mathematical question.
Critical thinking has not been given the same emphasis in Japanese education as it is in European education, nor even the lip service given it in America. Which stands to reason in a society that by and large celebrates conformity.
As to education about the Japanese Empire during the Pacific War, I agree that Japanese students are probably less well-informed about their ancestors’ atrocities than, say, a Korean or Chinese child would be about their ancestors’ victimization at the hands of the Japanese. This has been a source of national embarrassment, and the educational system is slowly coming around. The Rape of Nanking has finally been included in the school history books, under its properly atrocious title of “Nankin Daigyakusatsu” (Nanking Massacre), whereas before it was glossed over as the “Nankin Jiken” (Nanking Incident).
But really, are we any different? Ask any white school kid in America about the first Thanksgiving, and you’ll get a nice little story about the kindly Squanto helping the pious Pilgrims hunt turkeys and plant corn, and Indians and Pilgrims all happily sitting down at the table munching on drumsticks and pumpkin pie and thanking God for a good harvest. Do you really expect him to know that the Pilgrims were actually giving thanks to God for allowing them to slaughter 700 Pequot men, women and children?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
You sound like my grandfather when I was a kid (101st airborne) and I am in total agreement…it’s amazing how many people will argue to the death that the Japanese were somehow victims in WWII.[/quote]
“The Japanese” is a very widely-encompassing term. You pointedly excluded the Japanese Americans from the group of non-victims, and rightly so: they had no part to play in the bombing of Pearl Harbor or the invasion of China. But neither did the civilian population of Japan.
A military dictatorship led by a man considered to be semi-divine does not put its military strategies to public vote, nor does it attempt to get public opinion on its side before acting.
Japanese civilians had no access to the Internet or CNN. Even listening to Voice of America could get you arrested or shot. All they knew about their government’s activities were what the government chose to tell them. Obviously, the government chose to tell them very little except that it was fighting those evil devil barbarians who were hindering Japan from expanding into new territories.
So one can hardly blame the starving, impoverished civilians in Tokyo for thinking, as the canisters of burning napalm fell on them as they slept, that they might be the victims of a murderous imperial power come to wipe them out, for no good reason.
One can hardly blame my children’s grandfather, seeing the bodies o his elementary school classmates lying on the riverbank riddled with bullets after being strafed by a Grumman Hellcat in broad daylight (take-home lesson: if your city is being firebombed, do NOT take shelter by the river) for feeling just a little bit like a victim.
And one can hardly blame the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, seeing their city and their families reduced to ash, as they recovered from their third degree burns, and slowly died from radiation poisoning, that they personally had done little to deserve what they got.
Yes, the Japanese military government behaved extremely badly in the 1930s and 40s. They were atrocious bastards and deserved the hangings they got. The soldiers and sailors of the Imperial Army and Navy committed unspeakable crimes wherever they went, and if there is any justice they will suffer for it in whatever afterlife they might believe in.
The women and children and old people suffering under this brutal regime, however, were not party to these crimes. Strategically, bombing Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki made good sense. It forced the Emperor to capitulate and saved the Allied forces from having to mount a full-scale extermination of the Japanese population on the ground.
But the Japanese civilians were definitely victims twice over: first of their own government’s insane policies, and secondly of the consequences of these policies.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
You sound like my grandfather when I was a kid (101st airborne) and I am in total agreement…it’s amazing how many people will argue to the death that the Japanese were somehow victims in WWII.[/quote]
“The Japanese” is a very widely-encompassing term. You pointedly excluded the Japanese Americans from the group of non-victims, and rightly so: they had no part to play in the bombing of Pearl Harbor or the invasion of China. But neither did the civilian population of Japan.
A military dictatorship led by a man considered to be semi-divine does not put its military strategies to public vote, nor does it attempt to get public opinion on its side before acting.
Japanese civilians had no access to the Internet or CNN. Even listening to Voice of America could get you arrested or shot. All they knew about their government’s activities were what the government chose to tell them. Obviously, the government chose to tell them very little except that it was fighting those evil devil barbarians who were hindering Japan from expanding into new territories.
So one can hardly blame the starving, impoverished civilians in Tokyo for thinking, as the canisters of burning napalm fell on them as they slept, that they might be the victims of a murderous imperial power come to wipe them out, for no good reason.
One can hardly blame my children’s grandfather, seeing the bodies o his elementary school classmates lying on the riverbank riddled with bullets after being strafed by a Grumman Hellcat in broad daylight (take-home lesson: if your city is being firebombed, do NOT take shelter by the river) for feeling just a little bit like a victim.
And one can hardly blame the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, seeing their city and their families reduced to ash, as they recovered from their third degree burns, and slowly died from radiation poisoning, that they personally had done little to deserve what they got.
Yes, the Japanese military government behaved extremely badly in the 1930s and 40s. They were atrocious bastards and deserved the hangings they got. The soldiers and sailors of the Imperial Army and Navy committed unspeakable crimes wherever they went, and if there is any justice they will suffer for it in whatever afterlife they might believe in.
The women and children and old people suffering under this brutal regime, however, were not party to these crimes. Strategically, bombing Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki made good sense. It forced the Emperor to capitulate and saved the Allied forces from having to mount a full-scale extermination of the Japanese population on the ground.
But the Japanese civilians were definitely victims twice over: first of their own government’s insane policies, and secondly of the consequences of these policies. [/quote]
All very good and eloquently put points.
I was actually referring to people who are not from Japan saying that the U.S. was out of line bombing Japan, and that they were somehow supposed to sacrifice 1 million+ troops (the best estimate to take the Japanese mainland) rather than end the war the way they did.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
You sound like my grandfather when I was a kid (101st airborne) and I am in total agreement…it’s amazing how many people will argue to the death that the Japanese were somehow victims in WWII.[/quote]
“The Japanese” is a very widely-encompassing term. You pointedly excluded the Japanese Americans from the group of non-victims, and rightly so: they had no part to play in the bombing of Pearl Harbor or the invasion of China. But neither did the civilian population of Japan.
A military dictatorship led by a man considered to be semi-divine does not put its military strategies to public vote, nor does it attempt to get public opinion on its side before acting.
Japanese civilians had no access to the Internet or CNN. Even listening to Voice of America could get you arrested or shot. All they knew about their government’s activities were what the government chose to tell them. Obviously, the government chose to tell them very little except that it was fighting those evil devil barbarians who were hindering Japan from expanding into new territories.
So one can hardly blame the starving, impoverished civilians in Tokyo for thinking, as the canisters of burning napalm fell on them as they slept, that they might be the victims of a murderous imperial power come to wipe them out, for no good reason.
One can hardly blame my children’s grandfather, seeing the bodies o his elementary school classmates lying on the riverbank riddled with bullets after being strafed by a Grumman Hellcat in broad daylight (take-home lesson: if your city is being firebombed, do NOT take shelter by the river) for feeling just a little bit like a victim.
And one can hardly blame the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, seeing their city and their families reduced to ash, as they recovered from their third degree burns, and slowly died from radiation poisoning, that they personally had done little to deserve what they got.
Yes, the Japanese military government behaved extremely badly in the 1930s and 40s. They were atrocious bastards and deserved the hangings they got. The soldiers and sailors of the Imperial Army and Navy committed unspeakable crimes wherever they went, and if there is any justice they will suffer for it in whatever afterlife they might believe in.
The women and children and old people suffering under this brutal regime, however, were not party to these crimes. Strategically, bombing Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki made good sense. It forced the Emperor to capitulate and saved the Allied forces from having to mount a full-scale extermination of the Japanese population on the ground.
But the Japanese civilians were definitely victims twice over: first of their own government’s insane policies, and secondly of the consequences of these policies. [/quote]
All very good and eloquently put points.
I was actually referring to people who are not from Japan saying that the U.S. was out of line bombing Japan, and that they were somehow supposed to sacrifice 1 million+ troops (the best estimate to take the Japanese mainland) rather than end the war the way they did.[/quote]
Those people would have preferred us sacrificing 1 million of our young men. Why you ask? Because an entire generation of men would have been gone like what is going on in the Middle East. It keeps us down.