Police: 2 Women Gang Raped By Juveniles In Wilmington Park

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

You sound like my grandfather when I was a kid (101st airborne) and I am in total agreement…it’s amazing how many people will argue to the death that the Japanese were somehow victims in WWII.[/quote]

“The Japanese” is a very widely-encompassing term. You pointedly excluded the Japanese Americans from the group of non-victims, and rightly so: they had no part to play in the bombing of Pearl Harbor or the invasion of China. But neither did the civilian population of Japan.

A military dictatorship led by a man considered to be semi-divine does not put its military strategies to public vote, nor does it attempt to get public opinion on its side before acting.

Japanese civilians had no access to the Internet or CNN. Even listening to Voice of America could get you arrested or shot. All they knew about their government’s activities were what the government chose to tell them. Obviously, the government chose to tell them very little except that it was fighting those evil devil barbarians who were hindering Japan from expanding into new territories.

So one can hardly blame the starving, impoverished civilians in Tokyo for thinking, as the canisters of burning napalm fell on them as they slept, that they might be the victims of a murderous imperial power come to wipe them out, for no good reason.

One can hardly blame my children’s grandfather, seeing the bodies o his elementary school classmates lying on the riverbank riddled with bullets after being strafed by a Grumman Hellcat in broad daylight (take-home lesson: if your city is being firebombed, do NOT take shelter by the river) for feeling just a little bit like a victim.

And one can hardly blame the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, seeing their city and their families reduced to ash, as they recovered from their third degree burns, and slowly died from radiation poisoning, that they personally had done little to deserve what they got.

Yes, the Japanese military government behaved extremely badly in the 1930s and 40s. They were atrocious bastards and deserved the hangings they got. The soldiers and sailors of the Imperial Army and Navy committed unspeakable crimes wherever they went, and if there is any justice they will suffer for it in whatever afterlife they might believe in.

The women and children and old people suffering under this brutal regime, however, were not party to these crimes. Strategically, bombing Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki made good sense. It forced the Emperor to capitulate and saved the Allied forces from having to mount a full-scale extermination of the Japanese population on the ground.

But the Japanese civilians were definitely victims twice over: first of their own government’s insane policies, and secondly of the consequences of these policies. [/quote]

All very good and eloquently put points.

I was actually referring to people who are not from Japan saying that the U.S. was out of line bombing Japan, and that they were somehow supposed to sacrifice 1 million+ troops (the best estimate to take the Japanese mainland) rather than end the war the way they did.[/quote]

Those people would have preferred us sacrificing 1 million of our young men. Why you ask? Because an entire generation of men would have been gone like what is going on in the Middle East. It keeps us down.
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In many a Euro/liberal opinion, the U.S. can do nothing right.

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Varq typed: "If that’s the question they were asked, no wonder they couldn’t answer.

The bombing of Hiroshima happened on the morning of August 6th."

Ya know Varq, my bad…you ARE right, they DID asked them about August 6TH 1945…they STILL couldn’t answer.
What’s your excuse for them THIS time?

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[quote]Karado wrote:

Ya know Varq, my bad…you ARE right, they DID asked them about August 6TH 1945…they STILL couldn’t answer.
What’s your excuse for them this time? [/quote]

Question for you, Karado. What happened on the 23rd of Jumada al-Thaany, 1422?

It is an extremely important date, and if you asked what happened on it to a quarter of the world’s population, they would tell you in an instant.

And yet, you, who were affected by the event on this date just as much as the rest of the world, probably have no idea.

Is it because you are ignorant of history? Maybe, but more likely it’s because you just don’t understand the question.

Just like the Shibuya kids (the choice of Shibuya was a good one. More airheads per square meter in Shibuya than anywhere else in Japan…but I won’t use that as an excuse) likely didn’t understand the question.

I’ll give you a hint. The Japanese are not Christian, and you are not Muslim. They don’t use the Christian calendar, just as you don’t use the Muslim one. The year you call 1945 was the 20th year in the reign of the Showa Emperor, or “Showa 20”.

Japanese people have just as much trouble with the Christian year-numbering system as you likely do with the Muslim one. If they’d been asked about “Showa 20, hachigatsu muika”, I guarantee you would have heard the word “genbaku” (atom bomb) within seconds.

Imagine you are walking home from the bar early one afternoon, when suddenly a film crew from Al-Jazeera stops you in the street, puts a mike in your face and says, “excuse me, sir, but surely you know what happened on the 23rd of Jumada al-Thaany, 1422?”

You would not be able to answer, and a quarter of the world’s population would laugh at your ignorance on TV. You would have mustard on your face.

Because as everyone knows, the 23rd of Jumada al-Thaany, 1422 was the day the World Trade Center came down.

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Ah NO… why didn’t you use that as your FIRST defense of them assuming
they would give the RIGHT answer YOU assumed they would give as well from the ‘‘Christian’’ Calendar in the first place?
Now all of sudden you’re like, ‘DUH they’re not from right neighborhood’, DUH they’re not Christian’
DUH Al-Jazeera…

Nice try.

Attention EVERYONE, be careful in the future of talking about any event in China, lest Varq uses the Chinese Calender
in defense of a past event you think you have correct on the ‘‘Christian’’ Calendar.
What is it in China now, the year of the Aardvark or something?

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You didn’t post the video until I’d made my “first defense”, if you’ll recall.

You had written “1945” in your post, but it wasn’t until I heard the interviewer say, in Japanese “sen kyuuhyaku yonjuu gonen” (1945) rather than “Showa nijuu” did I realize what was going on.

It was a clever trick. But it was rather like Bill Maher’s strategy on Religulous: find the dumbest looking person you can, ask a question you figure they can’t answer, edit out all the correct answers, and show how ignorant they are.

Steven Okazaki (an American, despite his Japanese name) knew what he was doing.

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[quote]Karado wrote:
Varq typed: "If that’s the question they were asked, no wonder they couldn’t answer.

The bombing of Hiroshima happened on the morning of August 6th."

Ya know Varq, my bad…you ARE right, they DID asked them about August 6TH 1945…they STILL couldn’t answer.
What’s your excuse for them THIS time?

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Got to agree with Varq. Ask them the same question using the Japanese calendar and you’ll get a very different set of answers.

I have never, ever used the western calendar in Japan when I have filled out paperwork. Health insurance, marriage licence, mortgage, will, job applications. They were ALL filled out using the Japanese calendar.

If they had asked them something historically important that isn’t related to Japan, they more than likely wouldn’t have been able to answer it regardless of which calendar was used ( I tried this with the Moon landing) but EVERYBODY knows when the atomic bomb was dropped. Trust me, I have been here 14 years, taught in both public and private schools. All the kids learn this.

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WELLLLL that may be, but if anyone asked ME what happened on the 23rd of Jumada al-Thaany, 1422
here in the States I’d tell them to go fuck themselves, because I’d at least KNOW they trying to fuck with
me…So WHY did these kids even attempt to even try to answer because they would even get 9-11-01 correct??
Is it because they are trying to be respectful and at least give ANY kind of answer because of their
more humble modern culture? Then they USED this ploy to take advantage of that fact to transmit their alleged ignorance
here in the states to make US think they had their heads up their Ass, when in reality it was deliberate as Varq thinks
it is?

WHY would they do this? What’s the motive here and why? And WHERE were the other voices that cried fowl claiming the question was rigged?..this was directed by a Japanese, but he was born in California, so maybe it was a mistake because
I can’t think of a motive to make everyone believe Japanese kids are dumbasses especially by a person of Japanese descent.
That, and HBO and their liberal philosophy is…foreigners good, americans bad…So because of that I’m on the ‘mistake’ side then, rather
than the ‘deliberate’ side…so we still disagree, if one thinks it WAS deliberate.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

I have never, ever used the western calendar in Japan when I have filled out paperwork. Health insurance, marriage licence, mortgage, will, job applications. They were ALL filled out using the Japanese calendar.

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Really?

I tried doing that with my birthday on my konintodoke and was yelled at by the civil servant.

According to him, I am a foreigner and so needed to use the Western calender.

I assumed that was standardized for that form.[/quote]

Bit off topic but, yeah, that doesn’t surprise me. For all the bureaucracy they have in this country, there is an awful lot of inconsistency. My mate was trying to get his permanent residence visa and when he called to check what he needed, he got three different answers from three different people.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

I have never, ever used the western calendar in Japan when I have filled out paperwork. Health insurance, marriage licence, mortgage, will, job applications. They were ALL filled out using the Japanese calendar.

[/quote]

Really?

I tried doing that with my birthday on my konintodoke and was yelled at by the civil servant.

According to him, I am a foreigner and so needed to use the Western calender.

I assumed that was standardized for that form.[/quote]

Can’t remember what I put on my koin todoke, but I would always circle the little “sho” character and write “44” on every other form I filled out. Of course, I also wrote my name in kanji, just to be a contrary bastard. Nobody ever yelled at me for either. But then, I’m not seven fucking feet tall, either. You probably made the bureaucrat feel even more inadequate than he generally did, so he had to save face by busting your balls for something minor.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I think any form of rape is detestable. That being said, for me it strikes home moreso for me when a woman is the victim. Let’s be honest. There is a clear physical difference between a male and female. Unless a male is a minor, I find it hard to believe a typical woman could overpower and force a male into sexual relations - barring use of weapons - which I don’t think I’ve ever heard of.

Sure for men there is the instinct to protect and that’s why it may be a bigger deal when women are victimized, but there’s also the reality of how despicable the act itself is. There’s a reason rapists and pedofiles get the crap knocked out of them in jail. Even the lower dredges of our society find is wrong.

The punishment for rape is not severe enough, and should be death. They destroy someone’s life by committing the act, so as a result their life should be forfeit. I gaurantee if the death penalty was instituted you would have a drop in the number of sexual assaults and the number of roving gangs of filth would not occur.

I also highly doubt that a group of women would try to rape two men. [/quote]

If it were my family member the punishment would be death. Even if I had to wait years for them to get out of prison, I would be there waiting. There are some things you just don’t do and expect to live your life unscathed.