Playing Division 1 Ball

[quote]DukeBoSox wrote:
Thanks for all the responses, I’ll be updating this every once and a while to tell how my progress is going. When i get back to school in a couple days, I’ll probably be lifting 3 days a week, playing pickup bball twice a week, and working on technical skill work probably 5 times a week, even if it means a half hour session or something. Come March or so I’ll probably shift to lifting three days a week, pickup ball 3 days and technical skills 6 days.[/quote]

Any energy systems work? If you’ve been out of the game for a while you will probably pick your skills up fairly quickly but I find after long layoffs, the heart and lungs are the ones that really suffer.

I’ve read that most of the energy systems work can come from just playing basketball a few times a week. I also play volleyball for my school I get a little extra work there. Right now I’m really not trying to add too much because I’m still trying to put on some weight.

[quote]DukeBoSox wrote:
I’ve read that most of the energy systems work can come from just playing basketball a few times a week. I also play volleyball for my school I get a little extra work there. Right now I’m really not trying to add too much because I’m still trying to put on some weight.[/quote]

You’re probably ok in the early months at least. Get into the game, you can play for a lot of minutes w/o a sub. If you want to add in more conditioning later, use some supersets/circuits for some of your assistance work in the later half of your training sessions.

After that, when you feel comfortable with your conditioning in the pickup games, start with energy systems work. You’re gonna need a lot of it to survive coaches running practices.

[quote]DukeBoSox wrote:
I’ve read that most of the energy systems work can come from just playing basketball a few times a week. I also play volleyball for my school I get a little extra work there. Right now I’m really not trying to add too much because I’m still trying to put on some weight.[/quote]

Fair enough, but a few suicides or something similar when you play pick up ball might help when the tryouts begin.

By the way are you playing full court or half court pick up ball?

Full court most of the time, that’s the two or three times a week I’m referring to, I think that if it was half court I would probably think of that as more skills and less conditioning.

I strongly reccommend picking up Eric Cressey’s Ultimate Offseason Manual at www.ericcressey.com. And, no, I am not affiliated in any way. LOL.

I’m going to have to disagree with a lot of what rg73 said.

  1. You are definitely a 4 or 5. Very few programs have 6’8" guys playing the 3 and the ones that do are usually the top ones in the nation (UNC and Florida come to mind this year). Look at this year’s Duke team. Unless Zoubek is in the game their PF is at most 6’8" and 215. Last year Noel at 6’6" and 230 played the 4 for UNC (heck, Hansbrough was listed at 6’9" -and 6’8" on a lot of sites- and 235 last year and he was the center). This year UNC has Wright at 6’9" and 205 playing power forward. Remember, these are two of the top teams. You won’t find many mid-majors playing two guys bigger than you. On UNC’s 2005 team, the “3” was no taller than 6’6" (Noel). Plus, you’ve played as a 5 all your life, so I think it would be tough for you to learn an entirely new perimeter-based skill set and get it to NCAA level in a few months. Team’s always need bigs and that is your strength.

  2. I think you want to AVOID too much conditioning until May. This is pretty much what Cressey’s ultimate offseason says. Why? Because building basketball conditioning and increasing size/strength/explosiveness are pretty much impossible to do at the same time. For now concentrate on getting stronger and faster and do a lot of skill work (post moves etc.) plus play pickup games a couple of times per week. Try to get the most bang for your buck by playing only with high-level competition. Then once May comes around, start to work on conditioning while trying to maintain your gains in strength. You can get in good shape in a couple of months and if you listen to what I say you would have 3 - especially if you are already okay from playing pickup games a couple of times per week. If you were already on the team I’d say wait until July or August, but you want to be in top shape for August since you have to make the team. The main thing to remember is that your tryouts are in August, not April. You don’t need to be in game shape in April.

  3. I do agree that you should check out what the team needs. To me it looks like they will have 4 players who are really big (I don’t know about who they are recruiting) and one will be a junior and one will be a senior. You may be brought along to play when they graduate.

  4. I also do agree that you will need to put a lot of skill work in. Work almost exclusively on “big man” skills (i.e. you don’t need to practice shooting a bunch of 3s). But, as I said above, conditioning should wait a few months. If you could develop a few “go-to” post moves that would really help. Maybe develop a good hook shot with both hands? Obviously free throws are important to, and shooting jumpers from 15’ and in.

  5. If you want to gain weight you need to eat. Its as simple as that. I read that UNC had Wright on a 6000 calorie a day diet this summer to help him gain weight. Try to gain roughly 1 lb per week. Then once May comes, you can try to lose a few pounds of bodyfat with the help of your conditioning. That doesn’t mean eat a lot of crap and go out drinking every night, but you do need to eat to grow.

  6. Basketball is mainly anaerobic. There are lots of short intense bursts with rests in between (time outs, foul shots etc.) Do interval work (and play games) to get into shape. These are better than going for 5 mile runs. When you do start to focus on conditioning, ease into it (just like with weights - you don’t do a max set on your first day), but you should be going very hard by mid June.

Back at school, have you thought about checking where most of the guys on the team play pick up in the off season too? For example, spring and summers at my school, there were particular courts where the basketball team played in the afternoons. It was a lot of guys from the basketball team, but also lots of other guys from other sports too, like track and football guys who played Bball in high school and dropped it in college in favor of their other sports. It relaly exposes you to some different types of athleticism.

It’s just good to be around the environment that those guys are in, maybe get a feel of the intensity some of them may train at. You could get to know what kinds of thing all those people are doing for workouts. You could also get to know the basketball team guys and maybe make a name for yourself before tryouts even roll around. You might also get to meet some of your competition, if there are any other guys out there who didn’t make it last year and want to try again next year or something.

About agility, one thing I’ve always noticed is that when I’m playing soccer regularly, my basketball quickness is just another level above what it normally is. Not to say you should add soccer to your working out, just that some agility work, lateral and pivoting shuttle/sprint drills, might help a lot too. Maybe either do some on court or get some cleats and move to a field for some different surfaces.

Oboile thanks for the detailed response, informative. As to the question of pickup games, i’m not sure where the men’s team plays, but I’ve played both pickup ball in the gym (mostly with ex-highschool starters) and then I’ve played streetball in playgrounds and community centers.

Do you think it’s valuable to play streetball at all? I think that it’s a slightly different game, but nothing is going to develop toughness around the rim quite like it. I think it adds a physical element that can be carried over into the normal version.

[quote]OBoile wrote:
2. I think you want to AVOID too much conditioning until May. This is pretty much what Cressey’s ultimate offseason says. Why? Because building basketball conditioning and increasing size/strength/explosiveness are pretty much impossible to do at the same time. For now concentrate on getting stronger and faster and do a lot of skill work (post moves etc.) plus play pickup games a couple of times per week. Try to get the most bang for your buck by playing only with high-level competition. Then once May comes around, start to work on conditioning while trying to maintain your gains in strength. You can get in good shape in a couple of months and if you listen to what I say you would have 3 - especially if you are already okay from playing pickup games a couple of times per week. If you were already on the team I’d say wait until July or August, but you want to be in top shape for August since you have to make the team. The main thing to remember is that your tryouts are in August, not April. You don’t need to be in game shape in April.
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A well thought out answer and that is something that is a rare commodity on this site.

All your points were very good. My only thought is that Cressey might have been constructing that program with current players in mind who have just finished the regular season.

This guy has been partying and has probably at his most deconditioned state for a number of years seeing he was a regular player throughout high school. I’d say this guy needs to put a big of work into his aerobic and anaerobic conditioning. Not pointless miles upon miles, but something short, sharp and specific to the game.

I just think there is nothing worse than someone dragging ass at the first few practices. Seeing he has a good 8 months until practice starts, I’d be training with the goal to arrive a front runner and give himself every chance. The fact that he has had a year out of the game may work against him, however, turning up in great condition is always a big tick in the coaches eyes.

[quote]Iron Beast wrote:
OBoile wrote:
2. I think you want to AVOID too much conditioning until May. This is pretty much what Cressey’s ultimate offseason says. Why? Because building basketball conditioning and increasing size/strength/explosiveness are pretty much impossible to do at the same time. For now concentrate on getting stronger and faster and do a lot of skill work (post moves etc.) plus play pickup games a couple of times per week. Try to get the most bang for your buck by playing only with high-level competition. Then once May comes around, start to work on conditioning while trying to maintain your gains in strength. You can get in good shape in a couple of months and if you listen to what I say you would have 3 - especially if you are already okay from playing pickup games a couple of times per week. If you were already on the team I’d say wait until July or August, but you want to be in top shape for August since you have to make the team. The main thing to remember is that your tryouts are in August, not April. You don’t need to be in game shape in April.

A well thought out answer and that is something that is a rare commodity on this site.

All your points were very good. My only thought is that Cressey might have been constructing that program with current players in mind who have just finished the regular season.

This guy has been partying and has probably at his most deconditioned state for a number of years seeing he was a regular player throughout high school. I’d say this guy needs to put a big of work into his aerobic and anaerobic conditioning. Not pointless miles upon miles, but something short, sharp and specific to the game.

I just think there is nothing worse than someone dragging ass at the first few practices. Seeing he has a good 8 months until practice starts, I’d be training with the goal to arrive a front runner and give himself every chance. The fact that he has had a year out of the game may work against him, however, turning up in great condition is always a big tick in the coaches eyes.

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Good point. I absolutely agree that coming to tryouts in top shape is a must. I do think that playing ball a couple of times a week for the first few months and then really focusing on conditioning leading up to tryouts would be enough. While pick-up won’t get anyone close to the condition they need to be in, it will cause a lot of improvement for someone who hasn’t been all that active. Just like with weights, you don’t need to follow an “advanced” workout right away (take that from someone who knows first hand - playing ball for the first time in a year after I got my Master’s was murder, and it was against a bunch of old guys from my work). I said start conditioning in May because I believe that a decent base can be built by playing ball twice a week until then and that 3 months would be enough time to get into really good shape. But, I think that is really dependant on the individual. DukeBoSox if you feel you need to start earlier then by all means do so.

As for playing pickup I think the key is to really focus your efforts. You only have so much time/energy so when you do anything make sure it has a purpose. When you go to shoot around, have a detailed plan about what you want to work on. When you lift have a similar plan. When you play, try to make it against good competition. I don’t think playing against low-level competition (like me) will be an efficient use of your time. So, if you play pick-up, try to do find a good game. Does your school have intramaurals? If so, play in the top level there. Someone else mentioned trying to find out where the varsity guys play in the summer. That was a good idea too.

A little disclaimer: I believe I’m giving you good advice, but I am by no means an expert. I’m basically just telling you my interpritation of what I have read in Cressey’s Offseason manual and on Joe Defranco’s site. I would strongly encourage you to read as much as you can from those two and some of the other authors here. Kelly Bagget is also really good IMO. Really, all of them say pretty much the same thing. Much more similarities than differences. Eric Cressey’s offseason manual basically discusses your exact situation except for the fact that you want to be peaking during the tryouts instead of during the season since you still have to make the team.

Great information guys, thanks for the responses, right now I’m playing ball against what I would call average competition, but it’s helping me realize what aspects of my game I need to improve. Right now I find myself in need of a second go to post move, I have one that I’ve had for a while that works really well, but the defebse starts to adjust and it becomes less effective, or I start forcing it too much. This is one thing I’ve found I need to concentrate on. Tougher competition will come when I can find a good group of players to regularly play with.

[quote]OBoile wrote:
Good point. I absolutely agree that coming to tryouts in top shape is a must. I do think that playing ball a couple of times a week for the first few months and then really focusing on conditioning leading up to tryouts would be enough. While pick-up won’t get anyone close to the condition they need to be in, it will cause a lot of improvement for someone who hasn’t been all that active. Just like with weights, you don’t need to follow an “advanced” workout right away (take that from someone who knows first hand - playing ball for the first time in a year after I got my Master’s was murder, and it was against a bunch of old guys from my work). I said start conditioning in May because I believe that a decent base can be built by playing ball twice a week until then and that 3 months would be enough time to get into really good shape. But, I think that is really dependant on the individual. DukeBoSox if you feel you need to start earlier then by all means do so.

As for playing pickup I think the key is to really focus your efforts. You only have so much time/energy so when you do anything make sure it has a purpose. When you go to shoot around, have a detailed plan about what you want to work on. When you lift have a similar plan. When you play, try to make it against good competition. I don’t think playing against low-level competition (like me) will be an efficient use of your time. So, if you play pick-up, try to do find a good game. Does your school have intramaurals? If so, play in the top level there. Someone else mentioned trying to find out where the varsity guys play in the summer. That was a good idea too.

A little disclaimer: I believe I’m giving you good advice, but I am by no means an expert. I’m basically just telling you my interpritation of what I have read in Cressey’s Offseason manual and on Joe Defranco’s site. I would strongly encourage you to read as much as you can from those two and some of the other authors here. Kelly Bagget is also really good IMO. Really, all of them say pretty much the same thing. Much more similarities than differences. Eric Cressey’s offseason manual basically discusses your exact situation except for the fact that you want to be peaking during the tryouts instead of during the season since you still have to make the team.[/quote]

Well answered. Your referrals such as Defranco and Cressey are the 2 I would trust most with athletic performance.

To the OP, I would look into purchasing Cressey’s Off Season Manual and Defranco’s material.

[quote]DukeBoSox wrote:
Great information guys, thanks for the responses, right now I’m playing ball against what I would call average competition, but it’s helping me realize what aspects of my game I need to improve. Right now I find myself in need of a second go to post move, I have one that I’ve had for a while that works really well, but the defebse starts to adjust and it becomes less effective, or I start forcing it too much. This is one thing I’ve found I need to concentrate on. Tougher competition will come when I can find a good group of players to regularly play with.[/quote]

Mate, the main thing to have is a love for it and enthusiasm. You seem to have ticked both those boxes. Make sure you keep posting in here as it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for you.

[quote]DukeBoSox wrote:
Great information guys, thanks for the responses, right now I’m playing ball against what I would call average competition, but it’s helping me realize what aspects of my game I need to improve. Right now I find myself in need of a second go to post move, I have one that I’ve had for a while that works really well, but the defebse starts to adjust and it becomes less effective, or I start forcing it too much. This is one thing I’ve found I need to concentrate on. Tougher competition will come when I can find a good group of players to regularly play with.[/quote]

At 6’8" if you can develop a few (perhaps even two) solid post moves you will be very effective. IMO if you are “big enough” to play a position then after that it really comes down to skill and talent/athleticism. I don’t think a 6’10" guy has a decisive advantage over a 6’8" guy (maybe a 7’ guy would) so at that point it largely comes down to skills. You can go a long way having good fundamental post moves. Tim Duncan is a perfect example of someone who doesn’t really have a huge athletic or size advantage but does have a great skill advantage. Being 5’8" myself, I can tell you that I’ve said the “If only I was tall, I’d post up all day and never shoot it from outside” speech many, many times. Big Man skills are a lost art these days.

Best of luck, and keep us updated on your progress.

[quote]OBoile wrote:
At 6’8" if you can develop a few (perhaps even two) solid post moves you will be very effective. IMO if you are “big enough” to play a position then after that it really comes down to skill and talent/athleticism. I don’t think a 6’10" guy has a decisive advantage over a 6’8" guy (maybe a 7’ guy would) so at that point it largely comes down to skills. You can go a long way having good fundamental post moves. Tim Duncan is a perfect example of someone who doesn’t really have a huge athletic or size advantage but does have a great skill advantage. Being 5’8" myself, I can tell you that I’ve said the “If only I was tall, I’d post up all day and never shoot it from outside” speech many, many times. Big Man skills are a lost art these days.

Best of luck, and keep us updated on your progress.[/quote]

Agreed. Big Man skills are a lost art. Best position is PF for sure. A dominant PF is such a pleasure to watch.

Just a little update. I’m up to 238-240 now, same bodyfat or at least close to it. I’ve been working on basketball a lot, mostly in the form of shooting and dribbling. I’ve got my jumpshot to a pretty good level already, the only thing is my consistency (Sometimes I’ll make like 18 of 20 10-15 footers, then miss 5 or 6 in a row) but that will come with practice. My dribbling is getting better, and my vertical is going up.

Right about now is my 1 year anniversary of starting to lift consistently. Although not always training correctly (I’ve only trained lower body since May), I’ve progressed a lot in one year. My one year progress is as follows:
Squat 1RM: 195 to 325
Deadlift 1RM: 245 to 375
Bench Press 1RM: 195 to 235
Vertical leap: 28 to estimated 30

In other news, I contacted the coaches and they want to bring me in after the season is over to start working with me and helping me condition, so I see that as a positive.

Any comments are welcome.

In my opinion if you are uncoordinated, then you need to focus on two things and devote alot of time to them. These two things are balance and footwork.

If you can learn to do them GREAT, you will undoubtedly give yourself an advantage on the basketball court over 90% of all basketball players. Most players play the game out of balance most of the time and if you can find a good solid balanced stance that works for you then not only will you be much more quicker moving and reacting but you will also be much harder to move. Try and get into the habit of doing everything under as much balance as possible and doing it all the time. The next thing you need once you commit to always doing everything under balance is to work hard on foot work and learn proper footwork. Balance and footwork are the cornerstones of good post players.

Learning to play on balance is not very hard it is just neglected by most. Also I would suggest that you purchase Dick DeVenzio’s legendary book “Stuff, Good Players Should Know”.

This will be the greatest thing you can do for yourself as a basketball player. The book covers all the ‘little things’ that make a player stand out to coaches. It will show you how to move the ball with a purpose, how to move without the ball, how to severely limit mistakes, mental lapses and misunderstanding. How to use a player’s quickness and speed against him, how to defend stronger players. how to handle pressure among many, many other things. And most of the material is common sense and easy to do. I guarantee you that by reading this book your basketball IQ will sky rocket and you will exceed your percieved potential.

I’m prettymuch your same size, and I think its awesome that you’re up to this.

I’ve thought about it a couple times, but someone who idolizes Bill Laimbeer and has spent the past couple years in kickboxing and BJJ… I don’t think it would go well.

Good luck and kick some ass. I’ll be checking in every once in a while.

Keep up the good work man. Best of luck going forward. Definitley keep us informed.