hmm… i think i will go with 500mgs/week of TEST-Enth. Any other suggestions on how long should i run this cycle? how about 8 weeks @ 500/week?
and if i want to bulk clean by keeping bf as low as possible, do i just eat clean and a lot of clean or do i need to do go an extra mile and do something more?
and for the water retention is there any way to manage that?
You could do 8 weeks but test E takes some time to start seeing results around the 4th and 5th week, you’ll notice a strength increase sooner than the visual results. If you do 8 weeks I would frontload the test.
You should eat clean to minimize bf, but remember you will be “enchanted” so eating more calories,carbs, and protiens will be a good thing. If you know your mantainance level of calories I would eat 500 more cals to start with then increase If need be and also eating a little more fat than usual you can get away with it.
An AI will manage the water retention.
I don’t see any mention of a PCT. Make sure you get something planned out. Start PCT two weeks after your last injection. I would also look into HCG. Start the AI from day 1. Estrogen is easier to prevent than reduce. However, start the dosage on the low end and adjust accordingly.
Also, take notes. I write down my mood, every level, physical activities, any sides I experience, etc. You will appreciate them later.
for an AI… what is better arimidex or aromasin? and whats the deal with the HCG… how badly do you need while cycling test-E @500mgs/week for 8 weeks? cuz do some guys dont use HCG and go with an AI and a classic PCT of nolva/clomid… is that what its called a classic PCT…
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Anytime you shut down your natural test you run the risk of it never coming back. It’s just the way it is. .[/quote]
Yet another horseshit myth. The only way of making your natural test “never coming back” is by cutting your balls off. If you stuff up you will take longer to recover but them pesky nads will find a way.
[quote]lowrepcharlie wrote:
for an AI… what is better arimidex or aromasin? and whats the deal with the HCG… how badly do you need while cycling test-E @500mgs/week for 8 weeks? cuz do some guys dont use HCG and go with an AI and a classic PCT of nolva/clomid… is that what its called a classic PCT…
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If you don’t want to run hcg then don’t. It’s not needed, but it helps a lot with recovery. Recovery is more important than the cycle itself. If you run 8 weeks without it you’ll be fine. I’ve cycled without it a few times and everything has been fine, but I choose to run hcg because I recover better. And regardless of running hcg or not you always want to run an AI. Nolva and/or clomid is a standard pct
Aromasin has a shorter half life but is suicidal. And yes, HCG is not needed but I like to throw it in there.
aromasin is suicidal??? whaaat??
i just don’t understand why anyone would cycle without hCG. It’s not like it’s expensive…
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
i just don’t understand why anyone would cycle without hCG. It’s not like it’s expensive…[/quote]
its not about the money brother… gotta know a little more about the HCG…
you said it helps you with recovery… meaning? recovery from your workouts?? or recovering your testicles from atrophy or something??
and while on cycle when you are taking exogenous test and also use HCG alongside…what happens? they say it helps with endogenous test production?? how does that work when youre taking exogenous test and simultaneously your internal production is also on???
[quote]HowGreatIAm wrote:
Aromasin has a shorter half life but is suicidal. And yes, HCG is not needed but I like to throw it in there. [/quote]
what does it mean that aromasin is suicidal??
We are all here to help each other but seriously, you can Google these questions.
Suicidal just means that the inhibitor, aromasin, binds tightly to the aromatize enzyme and the process cannot be reversed, unlike a non-suicidal inhibitor like arimidex. Once you stop taking aromasin your body will still create more aromatize enzymes and you will get back to baseline.
HCG will help with recovery of the testes and keep them nice and full throughout cycle. There are a dozens of threads on here discussing this.
i did a bit of reading… so what it is is that HCG is a pituitary hormone and so when the pituitary gland is down regulated because of an external test administration it wont secrete HCG naturally and its better to take it externally…
how much HCG would be good for a 500mg/week TEST E cycle?
Lowrepcharlie: Charlie taking a hormone is not an precise science where you can tailor 5or 10 pound’s of pure no fat muscle.People take steroid’s increase there protein consumption and overall calorie count and get hopefully a desent result?? There is NOBODY,not even Mr.Olympia that can engineer perfect result’s and if possible they would.People loose the muscle as a result of not having a high nitrogen balance,a result of not being Supraphysiologically all jacked-up,moreover fast water weight muscle is not legitamate mature tissue, People can get 18inch arm’s ,but the new man’s won’t be grainey and the tissue will show few vein’s and no striation’s,as the muscle is not mature.That is why this sport takes time.
[quote]lowrepcharlie wrote:
i did a bit of reading… so what it is is that HCG is a pituitary hormone and so when the pituitary gland is down regulated because of an external test administration it wont secrete HCG naturally and its better to take it externally…
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Where exactly did you “read” this?
in the book titled “substance abuse a comprehensive textbook” 4th edition, lippincott williams and wilkins publishers… the book did not say its better to take it externally but rather athletes take hcg externally since internal production stops… that was just my interpretation put into writing on this thread
One of these is wrong:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
you won’t be gaining 10lbs of muscle on less that 500mg/week.
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Not true bro, I gained 2 stone on my first cycle at 200mg/week Test Cyp. Thats 28lbs lol, slight fat gain but not much 
SB[/quote]
Excellent advice:I am all for getting the best result’s with the less harm.I know that lower dosages are similar.The proof is in history.The b.b’s of fame didn’t use all that high of a dose.I know it’s inconceivable to some,but it’s true.Certain people the one’s that are accomplished are not DRUG ADDICT"S.Thank’s for your post.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
One of these is wrong:
then what is the true position?
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
you won’t be gaining 10lbs of muscle on less that 500mg/week.
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Not true bro, I gained 2 stone on my first cycle at 200mg/week Test Cyp. Thats 28lbs lol, slight fat gain but not much
SB[/quote]
what were your stats when you started your first cycle with test.cyp @200mg/week? and how long did you run it for? was test the only compound?
i would prefer to stick to a lower dosage if it can still get the job done.
a little confused since rds63799 was of the opinion that a gain of 10lbs of pure lbm wont be possible for anything under 500mgs/week. im guessing that if you do put on 10lbs of lbm you’d prolly be gaining something like 25-30lbs cuz theres also going to be some water gain, like muscles also have water right? and glycogen will also increase, and all else that comes with lbm.
28lbs is a lot of gain… how much were you able to retain post-cycle and how much lbm did you put on?