Hey guys. I got a ridiculous text from my dad today (he’s 46 btw) that he was going to start lifting again and that he was going to buy all kind of steroids. So, needless to say, I told him that I was going to do a lot of research and that he needed to let me help him plan this out because if he is going to do it I want him to do it right and to get the most out of it.
FIrst of all, he hasn’t lifted in a long time, but he is a roofer and has been his whole life so he has a great strength base and pretty good genes to build off of. I am going to get him on a good lifting program for two solid months before he jumps into this cycle, as long as he will trust me, just to make sure he knows he can make those gains on his own and so that he can develop some connective tissue adaptations as well.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Test E seems to be the most basic and straight forward place to go for a first cycle, and some suggest DBol to be doesed with the Test for the first four weeks of cycling in order to “jumpstart” the gains (because the test takes a couple weeks to kick in?). I am planning on putting him through a 10 week cycle with a two week break before beginning two weeks of PCT.
Any suggestions or anybody with experience in their 40’s who have done similar cycles would be greatly appreciated because I am 20 years old and have been lifting a long time, but have no steroid experience and do not plan on cycling for many, many years. My knowledge is limited but I tried to learn as much as I could be there is no way I am going to talk my dad out of it (not that I want to haha) i just want to make sure he is going to do this correctly so I am going to help him any way I can.
weeks: Dosage
1-10: 250mg Test E every 3 days
1-4: 30mg DBol/day
11-13: Off
begin PCT
14: 100mg CLomid/day
15-16: 25mg Clomid/day
Any insight would be greatly appreciated, and I’m sorry if my information is a little off considering I just got this today and tried for a couple hours to learn as much as I could… Thanks again.
Get an AI to run along side like arimidex or aromasin and it’s good to have some nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms and run pct for 4 weeks. A basic 10 week cycle should look like this
Week 1-10 test E 500mg a week (250mg Monday, 250mg Thursday)
Week 1-4 dbol 30mg a day
Week 1-12 adex .25mg EOD tapering down to .125mg the last week before pct
Week 13-14 clomid 100mg a day
Week 15-16 clomid 50mg a day
[quote]BUDs wrote:
Get an AI to run along side like arimidex or aromasin and it’s good to have some nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms and run pct for 4 weeks. A basic 10 week cycle should look like this
Week 1-10 test E 500mg a week (250mg Monday, 250mg Thursday)
Week 1-4 dbol 30mg a day
Week 1-12 adex .25mg EOD tapering down to .125mg the last week before pct
Week 13-14 clomid 100mg a day
Week 15-16 clomid 50mg a day[/quote]
Thanks BUDs for the reply. I’m ignorant to the purpose of nolvadex, but I’ll do some research on that tonight.
I would tell your dad to wait and workout hard for at least a year and get his nutrition right before using AAS. He will be getting newbie gains for a while just from starting. Plus i would tell him to go get his bloodwork done to test his natural test just to see where he is at. He could crash his natty test and have a hard time recovering at his age. He may have low test anyways and his doctor might just give him test replacement. It happened to me at 34 after a few cycles. Just my $.02
[quote]BSC819 wrote:
I would tell your dad to wait and workout hard for at least a year and get his nutrition right before using AAS. He will be getting newbie gains for a while just from starting. Plus i would tell him to go get his bloodwork done to test his natural test just to see where he is at. He could crash his natty test and have a hard time recovering at his age. He may have low test anyways and his doctor might just give him test replacement. It happened to me at 34 after a few cycles. Just my $.02[/quote]
I say FAIL to this advice. If the guy is 46 and wants to do a cycle by all means do it. Might have a hard time recovering but a TRT dose for the the rest of your life is not the worst thing either. When I get to be 46 I’m sure I will be on TRT by choice. I hate it when people give adcive to wait or not do thats not even advice.
[quote]BSC819 wrote:
I would tell your dad to wait and workout hard for at least a year and get his nutrition right before using AAS. He will be getting newbie gains for a while just from starting. Plus i would tell him to go get his bloodwork done to test his natural test just to see where he is at. He could crash his natty test and have a hard time recovering at his age. He may have low test anyways and his doctor might just give him test replacement. It happened to me at 34 after a few cycles. Just my $.02[/quote]
I say FAIL to this advice. If the guy is 46 and wants to do a cycle by all means do it. Might have a hard time recovering but a TRT dose for the the rest of your life is not the worst thing either. When I get to be 46 I’m sure I will be on TRT by choice. I hate it when people give adcive to wait or not do thats not even advice.
BUDs laied out a good first cycle [/quote]
Agreed the dude is old enough to do what he wants and he’s been roofing his whole life he’s not some 16 year old kid that weights 140 pounds and had been liftin for 3 months. If he wants to cycle let him do it and if worst case scenerio he has to go on trt he’ll probably be better off anyways. Shit if my old man said the same thing I’d be stoked
You need vitamins and minerals and I recommend ehcg throughout the process and Fish oils or astaxanthin which is like fish oils, but worked better for me, you can buy it at with your post cycle treatment that should work great.
Buds and lensD: What I think you guys are ignoring is the fact that this guy is COMPLETELY UNTRAINED. You are advocating a completely untrained individual to hop on a cycle, not knowing anything about him other than “hes a roofer”. Most people who just start working out quit within 3 months. Do you think it is prudent for a guy that is more than likely not going to be in the gym come January should run a cycle right now? Why?
Not only that, but the guy doing the cycle isnt even involved in this thread!!! He will be getting advice by proxy. He clearly has no idea what hes doing at this point and doesnt seem too inclined to advocate for himself and participate in a discussion about his health and training.
I think BSC’s advice was spot on. If the guy has low test anyway, a TRT replacement dose is going to do wonders for him. I would second this advice then make a decision on whether or not to run a cycle once
And to VTBalla34: Completely untrained is incorrect number one.
Number 2) I am going to get him training for 8 weeks before we put him on the cycle. I know that’s not optimal, but that’s much better than nothing. He’s old yes but he adapts well and after 8 weeks of real training put in place by me, he will be primed and ready to get HUGE with a ten week cycle. I’ve been training athletes for 4 years now, don’t worry, he’s in good hands in that department. And I am definitely stoked, I think it’s awesome and I think it will do him a shit load of good.
I am just from the train of thought to max out your genetic potential to the best of your ability and use AAS to take it to the level that you cant get to naturally. Basically to make sure that you learn how to train properly (which it sounds like he has help in that dept) and learn how to eat properly, which in my opinion is the hardest for most people. If he has these great genetics why wouldnt he want to get back in the swing of working out, eating properly, and getting himself to a point where he is at a plateau, then use AAS to break that plateau? I think the fact that he is untrained and going balls out in the gym on AAS right off the bat is a waste and puts him at a much higher risk of injury. Is he going to start bodybuilding? If not what is the hurry? I just dont get it.
And trust me, a TRT dose that has his test levels at 1100-1200 for a sustained amount of time will do wonders. He is he already has great genetics than he will be ahead of the game. Ill bet he gets good results from the cycle, but when i first started working out at 20 years old I weighed 145lbs and could barely bench 95lbs x6. In 10 months I weighed 192bs and was deadlifting 315lbs and benching 225lbs. I know that its not a fair comparison since I was 20 but my point is you will make very rapid gains initially and then you will plateau. Having a cycle of AAS at that plateau would be ideal. He will probably plateau quicker than I did at 20 though. But if you are going to go through with it, fuck it and see what happens. let us know the results, I am interested.