[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]oldstyle00 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]oldstyle00 wrote:
You guys are throwing out in my mind hypotheticals that make no sense to the topic. Reason being is the main flux of this whole argument is when people believe life begins. [/quote]
Again, link one single authoritative paper that disagrees with the following:
A unique human life begins at conception.
Until you can prove that wrong, you are wrong and I am right. It isn’t a matter of opinion, but rather cold, hard scientific fact. [/quote]
Ectopic pregnancy refutes your argument in most cases. [/quote]
How on earth does the location of implantation make the organism a) not a unique human or b) not alive?
The location of implantation has jack and shit to do with WHAT is implanting. Just because it unfortunately doesn’t implant in an area conducive to survival (or safety for the mother) doesn’t make it not a unique human being.
I mean, does that mean people who live in Alaska aren’t humans? Or people who live in the Amazon? It’s odd to live there… So they aren’t people anymore because of where they are?
Did Armstrong stop becoming a person when he landed on the Moon?
This is absurd.
Based on what criteria? Your feels? Because it certainly isn’t based on science. What is it then? A dog? A tree? Acorn? Oh I know, it’s a fish?
Whether conception happens in the body or a test tube, or a tea cup, it is still a unique human being at conception. Which you can’t prove otherwise.
Fucks I give about what a religion thinks is a person: zero.
I don’t care what religion thinks what. I care about the fact science dictates it is a unique human being from conception. This is irrefutable fact.
Personhood is made up nonsense used to justify slavery, holocaust and now abortion.
The only debate is whether all people should be treated equal or not. Democrats say no, they shouldn’t. I disagree. This is the only time opinion matters. Because if someone is of the opinion that life doesn’t begin until some other point than conception they are dead wrong. And if someone is of the opinion that a person isn’t a person based on how old they are, or what they look like, they are no better than a slave owner, segregationist or a Nazi…
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The American Society for Reproductive Medicine represents fertility specialists in the United States and more than 100 other countries. The group’s spokesman, Sean Tipton, tells CNN that his organization opposes the Mississippi initiative “because it interferes with the physicians’ ability to provide needed care for their patients, whether that’s helping someone have a child or keeping them from having children.”
Tipton says while a fertilized egg is necessary to make a person, fertilization alone is not enough to create a new human being. “A fertilized egg has to continue to grow, attach itself to a woman’s uterine wall and gestate for nine months before it is born, and there are many potential missteps (that can happen) along the way.”
The American Society for Reproductive Medicine’s Tipton points out that sometimes fertilized eggs split and create two babies. “Unfortunately nature and science are messy and defy attempts to create human categories.”
He adds that while saying personhood begins at conception is a nice ideological statement, it can create some real life problems. For example, unless an egg is fertilized in an IVF petri dish, it can be difficult to determine when exactly a baby was conceived because sperm can survive inside a woman’s body for days and it can take several more days for a fertilized egg to implant in the uterus, thus leading to a pregnancy and the potential birth of a baby.
“There are lots of fertilized eggs that never become human beings,” Tipton says. “Humans are notoriously inefficient producers, and we believe most (fertilized eggs) actually go out with a woman’s menstrual flow.”
From a pro-life Dr.about a law in Miss.-In vitro fertilization treatments could become more difficult because of the legal question of what to do with the unused eggs.
An unused fertilized egg is a human life, said DeCook, because â??it has the momâ??s DNA and the fatherâ??s DNA,â?? The unused fertilized eggs should be adopted through an embryo adoption program, he suggested.
â??We determine a human being by chromosome, so although they (abortion rights supporters) have all sorts of word games. Theyâ??re only word games,â?? he said.
Counting do you also determine human life after conception as 46 chromosomes? Are humans without 46 chromosomes not human?