[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]oldstyle00 wrote:
You guys are throwing out in my mind hypotheticals that make no sense to the topic. Reason being is the main flux of this whole argument is when people believe life begins. [/quote]
Again, link one single authoritative paper that disagrees with the following:
A unique human life begins at conception.
Until you can prove that wrong, you are wrong and I am right. It isn’t a matter of opinion, but rather cold, hard scientific fact.
Ectopic pregnancy refutes your argument in most cases. There are some cases where it does develop into a fetus, but most times it doesn’t. That zygote would not be considered a human and in the vast vast majority of cases not develop into a fetus either.
The issue of â??personhoodâ?? is a theological and personal rather than medical or scientific question. While current teaching by the Vatican is that a fertilized egg is a â??personâ?? with full rights under the law, other religious traditions disagree. Jewish law and tradition does not recognize an egg, embryo, or fetus as a person or full human being, but rather â??part and parcel of the pregnant womenâ??s body,â?? the rights of which are subjugated to the health and well-being of the mother until birth. The United Methodist Church recognizes the primacy of the rights and health of women. Islamic scholars, like Jewish scholars, have debated the issues of â??ensoulmentâ?? and personhood, and continue to do so with no over-riding consensus.
And all those people are wrong, just like you. You can believe that Bill Buckner was the best hitter of all time, but the stats wont’ back you up. You can believe a bird is a rock, but the science won’t back you up. You can believe 2+2=5 but every single time you hold two apples in each hand you’ll only end up with 4.
You and anyone can believe “life begins” at any arbitrary point on the development timeline, but you can’t prove it. All you’ll ever be able to prove is a unique human being is formed at conception. And you’ve already admitted it is alive.
Your entire argument is utter shit, and you are smart enough to know it. Just admit, for the love of Christ you are okay with the whole sale slaughter of innocent humans in the name of convenience and be done with it. There is shame in it, unless you aren’t into the whole morality bit, then there is no shame. But there is, without question, shame in pretending people aren’t people in order to rationalize something you wouldn’t condone if the baby were out of the womb and dressed in a onezie.
And science proves you wrong, and us right.
Sure, but that ignores the giant elephant in the room. And that elephant is democrats and their significant problem with treating everyone equal, throughout history.
People that don’t believe that are intentionally ignorant of basic scientific fact. It’s biology 101. Any textbook in the world not written by the Three Stooges will confirm it so.
[quote] Obviously I believe the fetus growing inside is a human and that it is living (cells are living, bacteria are living).
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So you believe it is a unique human being from inception, but you don’t?
what?[/quote]
