All good man… there are plenty of stories of trans men assaulting girls… many of which get buried. Do I personally care about them? No. Not until they cross lines that harm women or children.
I was a cop in St Louis for 15 years. Saw firsthand how statistics are manipulated for desired outcomes. Scary shit.
Do you mean trans women? That was the situation I was talking about.
Damn, that is scary if stories are being manipulated or buried. And it’s kind of impossible for any meaningful debate if that’s the case.
Lmfao America has literally become a shit show disaster. Only the west has these problems, i wonder why.
That isn’t the point. The point is, if biological women do not feel safe or comfortable with biological men sharing a locker room or bathroom then they should have a space that is free of biological men.
Also, on transgenderism in general, more and more biological boys and men are competing against biological girls and boys, the very thing the creation of female only sports was intended to prevent, and they are winning, often by margins that are embarrassing. Of course, this doesn’t affect biological males as we won’t see a transgender male competing against biological males. This doesn’t seem fair or equitable.
I find it interesting… the amount of mental gymnastics certain indviduals will do to justify their pro stants on this issue.
“Become”? Being a shit show has always been our superpower.
You could say being a superpower while being a shit show is our super power.
Why? It seems you’ve said that businesses should accommodate women’s fears even if the proposed accommodations wouldn’t affect safety.
The problem with your second request is that in many cases a “transgender woman” can just as well be called a man. People would make enemies and become targets for putting out that kind of research.
It is a game of labels. Because the labels can be shifty, anyone that would put out that kind of research is not only making themselves a target, they’d be making themselves an easy target
You should agree that common sense would strongly indicate that a transgender woman is more likely to sexually assault another woman than a cis woman
Your original comment spoke to assault, which is overly vague so as to avoid the precise issue of sexual assault
Your first request is not my style but makes a ton of sense
I see your point. I can see anyone publishing anything that incriminates members of the trans community being automatically labeled transphobic, even if the infraction actually occurred and they were found guilty. So yeah i have to concede that one until i think on it more.
I still believe my first point is more appropriate then.
I agree with your general sentiment. Who gives a shit what other people do, or heaven forbid wear. It’s easy enough to stay in your own lane if it’s not for you. I don’t think this makes you woke at all, it makes you not a nosy, whiny bitch.
I disagree around the finer points of total acceptance, especially where it can create a negative scenario for another. I’m not worried about the locker room or urinals myself, but I’m already surrounded by dicks in them. I try to take the perspective in this scenario of my wife, and especially daughter. They don’t want to see a random dude or be seen by one, and at this point the limit of his imagination becomes a line for me. Why is his “right” to pretend more important than their right to privacy?
And while not every transvestite is going to be a predator, the scenario does allow opportunistic predators leverage to harm even beyond an invasion of privacy. Either way, at the end of the day, a dude in a dress is a dude and getting naked in front of non consenting women is a crime, and a reason to lose your teeth if dad/husband is around.
Yes, they should because it’s good for business. Don’t confuse what a business should do with what it should be legislated to do.
How do you know this? Women have been raped in restrooms. If someone sees a man enter a women’s restroom, and it’s against the law or policy of a business, and they intervene, well, there goes your theory.
Or we just get the government out of it and let businesses do whatever and serve whomever they want. Let the market sort it out.
The problem is, not all public bathrooms are located in private businesses. You have schools, libraries, government offices, etc. And we also have laws regarding discrimination so a business can’t have a whites only bathroom for example.
In fact, none are(but many property rights were taken/given up long ago).
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I’d still like for someone to tell me why biological women should be forced to allow men into their bathrooms/locker rooms, but mentally ill men(transgender) should not have to use men’s rooms. It’s not right for legitimate females to fear biological men in their space, but it’s understandable that biological men do not want to use spaces designated for biological men?
I meant public as in non employee.
It’s not about science, logic or common sense. I believe it’s about creating a larger pool of victims to combat white supremacy.
Government can control government bathrooms.
Correct. I disagree with those laws.
I thought more assaults both physical and sexual occurred in the men’s room compared to the women’s. I am not to worried about it personally as someone more physically capable than most, but if I had a young son, I’d probably go along with him. Little boys are more likely to be sexually assaulted in a public restroom than little girls.
I think it is part of a man’s role to protect the vulnerable. I also think with this situation there is another side to it that is tougher to see. Trans women are assaulted by men quite a lot as a percent. It would be interesting to see stats on trans women attacked in the men’s room by men, vs women attacked by trans women in the women’s room. I am not sure what that data would say.
In real life, the gym I go to has a trans man. He looks like a chubby woman with a beard. He uses the women’s bathroom, which I think is probably the better of the two options in this case.
I guess I don’t see it as a black and white issue. If some dude clearly looks like a dude goes into a women’s bathroom and is acting inappropriately, I don’t have a problem with him getting a good hard punch in the nose. If it is a trans women that is trying in good effort to be as close to a woman as possible, and doesn’t act inappropriately, then I think using the women’s bathroom is probably okay, and likely the safest option for everyone.