Jillybop. There’s a name i haven’t seen in a while
King was the first to popularise the whole “train movements” not muscles thing. People like Chek bit it hard, it’s where Poliquin and him parted ways and just about everyone in the Fitness industry espouses it in some form so it’s going to be hard for him to prove intellectual property on this. I guess this is why he’s put so much effort into researching this.
I don’t think people realise the how much of an influence he’s been on the strength and fitness industries.
[quote]stockzy wrote:
Jillybop. There’s a name i haven’t seen in a while
King was the first to popularise the whole “train movements” not muscles thing. People like Chek bit it hard, it’s where Poliquin and him parted ways and just about everyone in the Fitness industry espouses it in some form so it’s going to be hard for him to prove intellectual property on this. I guess this is why he’s put so much effort into researching this.
I don’t think people realise the how much of an influence he’s been on the strength and fitness industries. [/quote]
That’s weird, not knocking Ian King, but since I got into the industry I heard of Chek long long before King. He must not be the best marketer, or perhaps my head was in the sand. I never heard of Ian till this site and saw one of his videos in the store.
Again, that’s not a knock.
I don’t think it took much effort. One glance and it is obvious. Once you see one thing sticking out like a sore thumb, it isn’t that hard to keep looking.
I mean, how many of you have read a book or two? That is about all that is required.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I don’t think it took much effort. One glance and it is obvious. Once you see one thing sticking out like a sore thumb, it isn’t that hard to keep looking.
I mean, how many of you have read a book or two? That is about all that is required.
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Sorry, maybe not much effort physically, but a ton of time. To make a website about it, to type all that out, to make videos of it.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
That’s weird, not knocking Ian King, but since I got into the industry I heard of Chek long long before King. He must not be the best marketer, or perhaps my head was in the sand. I never heard of Ian till this site and saw one of his videos in the store.
Again, that’s not a knock.[/quote]
Yeah he never had the marketing nous alot of these other guys do.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Some of it is obviously copied verbatim, but some of the “evidence” is a bit far fetched. “Balance between pushing and pulling” will turn out pretty much the same no matter who writes about it, for example. Too bad. I also liked Cosgrove.
I like the way he says “Hmmmmm!”[/quote]
Exactly. Some of this stuff is just shocking, but a good deal of it does seem to weaken King’s case. Anyone know what exactly it takes for something like this to hold up in court?
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I don’t think it took much effort. One glance and it is obvious. Once you see one thing sticking out like a sore thumb, it isn’t that hard to keep looking.
I mean, how many of you have read a book or two? That is about all that is required.
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Sorry, maybe not much effort physically, but a ton of time. To make a website about it, to type all that out, to make videos of it.[/quote]
Well, perhaps if you ever make a career for yourself that involves publishing original works and find out some douchebag is shamelessly ripping you off, you won’t feel that it’s all that much work to try and stomp the prick out.
As I posted earlier, Cosgrove did this with McDonald, as well (you can find out details easily enough via Google). Guess the guy just has shit luck when it comes to ‘rephrasing’ information… or coming up with some on his own.
There is an occasional, although not frequent contributor to this site whom I have caught plagiarizing on multiple occasions, and who years ago wrote a very popular article series called “Meltdown Training” which was almost entirely plagiarized from Paul Chek.
[quote]stockzy wrote:
Jillybop. There’s a name i haven’t seen in a while
King was the first to popularise the whole “train movements” not muscles thing. People like Chek bit it hard, it’s where Poliquin and him parted ways and just about everyone in the Fitness industry espouses it in some form so it’s going to be hard for him to prove intellectual property on this. I guess this is why he’s put so much effort into researching this.
I don’t think people realise the how much of an influence he’s been on the strength and fitness industries. [/quote]
King doesn’t need to prove intellectual property theft. If you watch a couple of his video presentations on this, you’ll see that the amount of verbatim, word-for-word COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT is extensive. It’s the sort of thing that gets a high school student an F on his research paper. Even if King never published an original idea in his whole life, his own words are his property.
King doesn’t need to prove intellectual property theft. If you watch a couple of his video presentations on this, you’ll see that the amount of verbatim, word-for-word COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT is extensive. It’s the sort of thing that gets a high school student an F on his research paper. Even if King never published an original idea in his whole life, his own words are his property.
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P.S. is absolutley right. What I can’t understand is why King hasn’t taken what by all rights looks like a slam-dunk win to a copyright lawyer and sued the socks off of Cosgrove.
King doesn’t need to prove intellectual property theft. If you watch a couple of his video presentations on this, you’ll see that the amount of verbatim, word-for-word COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT is extensive. It’s the sort of thing that gets a high school student an F on his research paper. Even if King never published an original idea in his whole life, his own words are his property.
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P.S. is absolutley right. What I can’t understand is why King hasn’t taken what by all rights looks like a slam-dunk win to a copyright lawyer and sued the socks off of Cosgrove. [/quote]
I wonder what TC’s take on this is where both guys have written for the site and he’s an author himself? I wonder if Alwyn has responded to the allegations?
[quote]Artemisia wrote:
If it was just a couple of things, I’d write it off as there only being so many ways to talk about a concept, especially concepts containing buzz-words or popular phrases ("afterburn, for example) that get tossed around a lot…however, there’s a heck of a lot there that’s awfully similar. Bad paraphrasing is always very apparent because it pretty much consists of rearranging sentence structure and busting out shift+f7 to change a few words.[/quote]
Typos are the same.
Two spaces instead of one in places etc etc . Bad spelling is the same. Bad sentence structure
It is pretty amazing really. It wouldnt have been hard to reword it or atleast put it through a spell check and have an editor look at it to get rid of the really obvious stuff.
It is more than just plagiarism, its very lazy plagiarism.
