Pitching a No Hitter On LSD...

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[quote]Eli B wrote:
Part 2.
I was going to try and explain how it feels. Impossible.

This is the best I can do:

I draw. Pretty well. ID is probably better but hes older too. A lot of people hate drawing. This is because they suck at it. Adults have been conditioned to be virtually unable to access their right brains by our structured society. Right brain governs visual perception (basically) and left brain governs language (basically)

So adults try and draw a person, they have limited access to right brain, so they use wrong (left) brain to analyze what they see. Instead of drawing THAT head they draw a metaphor or symbol for the the head. They draw a circle. In reality the head more closely resembles a cube but thats not the symbol we have developed. The nose becomes an upside down 7.

When you take LSD your brain becomes flooded with serotonin. The reward system of the brain. Actually thinking and perceiving becomes incredibly rewarding. Movement becomes rewarding. Most of the time there is way more information in the world than we want to deal with. So we convert it into manageable symbols and never really deal with stuff.

On LSD helps you strip that stuff away and see with fresh eyes.

You spoke of lasting side effects. I feel that I am now able to access a part of that state without the drug. I gained perspective that cant be taken away or unseen.

Tonight I drew for four hours. After about hour three I suddenly saw the world with depth. I understood spatial relationships. Trees burst with life like fireworks. I was euphoric. I had entered that same state without LSD. Its not as powerful but I dont know if I would be able to get there, or if I would be able to recognize or use what had been happening had I not greased that groove in my brain with a little LSD.

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Yeah, the “Awakening” aspect of the drug is what I wanted to focus in on. I have heard this from many people who have used it…described as “life changing”

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Thank you. I was aware of the fact that most drugs get vilified in the media and in general perception…but this one fascinated ,e because of how in depth the military has tested these drugs on people for both examination of direct drug effects and its use for paranormal research.

I think there is a lot here that most don’t know about…and vilifying the drug ensures that the truth stays even more hidden.[/quote]

yup. If part 2 is incoherent look into ‘Doors of perception’ by aldous huxley. I actually havent read it but I understand it deals with what I’m trying to say. The filtering of reality.

Also huxley is like, eloquent and stuff.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Anyone have any ideas what might happen if you walk up all fucked up to the gym?[/quote]

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Ive stayed up too late already. But Im wired and I want to finish this thought. One of the most insistent visual features of a good trip seems to me to be the recognition of the beauty of fractal geometry in the world around you famously described mathematically by Mandelbrot.

Piet Mondrian is the iconic genius of abstract art. He began as a fairly standard landscape artist. He being a visual genius, eventually seemed to independentally (presumably without the aid of mathematics or LSD) identify and manipulate fractal geometry. Here is a development in images.

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By this stage Mondrian has made the leap from fractals in nature, to fractals in society. Notice how this mirrors the order of the planned city. Square sidewalks on blocks that house cubic buildings, that contain rectangular windows and doorframes, with cubic buses, and a grid of streets, over a grid of sewers, connecting a grid of interstate highways that run basically N/S or E/W comprising a set of counties, which comprise a set of (mostly rectangular) states, which comprise an entire nation all built on variations in terms of proportion and scale of squares and rectangles.

I better go to sleep as I seem to be free associating. I think my point is that Mondrian was a genius. Most of us are not. Sometimes we need crutches. If you cant take LSD I reccommend you enroll in a drawing class while first having read the hugely popular and very accessible ‘drawing on the right side of the brain’

/Summary my self-appointed purpose in life so far.

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

Fine motor like drawing goes to shit though I noticed.[/quote]

http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html

Pretty interesting. [/quote]

Iv’e always said that abstract artists are all on drugs!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
While we are on the topic, the general perception is that LSD permanently changes your brain chemistry.

Has anyone here experienced anything like that in themselves or others?

I am also not saying this is a negative.[/quote]

Very small amount of usage and no. No long term difference.

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Nice posts there Eli, you definitely hit the nail on the head.

When I originally heard that there was LSD around the area, I rolled my eyes and said no thank you. I did some research and got some testimonials from people, however, and was persuaded to try it once. I now conclude that, besides mushrooms (and weed, but c’mon now,) there is no drug completely safer and more manageable than LSD.

Not that I’ve done it, of course, but there are way too many misconceptions about LSD. Scenes are portrayed where people get lost in a world of cartoon birds and think they can fly… wrong. Hyper-sensitivy of your senses and extreme awareness of visual stimuli, sure, I can buy that.

I know this isn’t supposed to be a comparison thread, but I’ve found that LSD is so much less ‘mental’ than even something like shrooms. Like I said, much more sensory-oriented. You can actually choose to subdue your visuals if you please (but why would you? Being in a room that’s breathing in synchronization with you is awesome,) but you can also truly embrace those visuals and just be awestruck at its brilliance for a number of hours. Shrooms seem much more ‘organic.’ It’s hard to explain but I gained profound respect for what was eaten on shrooms (one time it was eggs and steak/ baby chickens + cow.) It’s just a weird thing to think about.

And, of course, everyone’s going to have different experience with different drugs, because everyone is different. But personally, LSD is a superficial and easily-managed drug compared to so many more “common” drugs, the amphetamines, the crazy psychoactives (Special K, peyote, etc.)

Let’s put it this simply: I’ve never known anyone who’s tried LSD who HASN’T had preconceived notions of it beforehand, and ended up loving it and totally shattering those notions afterwards.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
While we are on the topic, the general perception is that LSD permanently changes your brain chemistry.

Has anyone here experienced anything like that in themselves or others?

I am also not saying this is a negative.[/quote]

I’ve tripped a couple hundred times, mostly paper, liquid a hand full of times and gel tabs a dozen or so.

I’ve had a couple “bad trips” and I recommend to anyone, once you have a bad one, stop tripping for good. Even the good times afterward are laced with darkness.

Paper is a heavier feeling, while liquid the easiest. Gel tabs are plain fantastic, but don’t mix them with paper. And don’t re-up. You pretty much have to double your dose to get off the second day, and when you are swallowing a 10 on Sunday afternoon, only to find the entire world melt away into irrelevance, Monday becomes a long day.

Oh and booze is necessary. Weed is cool, but if you aren’t getting shithouse drunk while beeming, you’re doing it wrong. (Sucks when you come down and are suddenly trashed…)

As far as permanent: The chemical effect isn’t, but you are never the same again. I can’t smoke weed anymore without paranoia.

I don’t know man… I mean is my brain failing and I’m not as smart and cognitive as I was before hand? I doubt it. I feel like my continual lack of sleep is more of a detriment.

Flashbacks are more just similar circumstances that you associate with that feeling, and therefore “relive it”, rather than “tripping again”. I do trail and “see ghosts” out of the corner of my eye when I’m exhausted. (Mid tax season is like a horror movie for me, lol.)

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I’ve had a couple “bad trips” and I recommend to anyone, once you have a bad one, stop tripping for good. Even the good times afterward are laced with darkness.

As far as permanent: The chemical effect isn’t, but you are never the same again. I can’t smoke weed anymore without paranoia.

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This is very true. One bad trip and the ‘darkness’ never fades. I used to absolutely love weed but after my first bad trip I can’t smoke anymore cause the paranoia is so intense that I actually throw up. Usually I am OK after I hurl though. A bad trip really is a living nightmare. Oh and on a side note, shooting assault rifles and shotguns mixed with a bad trip and thinking the people your are shooting with are trying to kill you is never a good combo.

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yeah, guns and drugs are always a good combo.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’ve had a couple “bad trips” and I recommend to anyone, once you have a bad one, stop tripping for good. Even the good times afterward are laced with darkness.

As far as permanent: The chemical effect isn’t, but you are never the same again. I can’t smoke weed anymore without paranoia.

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
This is very true. One bad trip and the ‘darkness’ never fades. I used to absolutely love weed but after my first bad trip I can’t smoke anymore cause the paranoia is so intense that I actually throw up. Usually I am OK after I hurl though. A bad trip really is a living nightmare. Oh and on a side note, shooting assault rifles and shotguns mixed with a bad trip and thinking the people your are shooting with are trying to kill you is never a good combo.
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I agree with both of you and will add that it’s not a good idea to trip with strangers. I tripped once with strangers and the entire time there faces were evil skulls with glowing eyes. The thought 15yrs later gives me the chills it was that vivid.
The only real side effects I still have are occasional tracers, most notably when I have my high beams on, the blue indicator light bounces around on the dash.

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No hitters are so fucking hard. A pitcher can dominate and still give up a few on luck. I pitched a one hitter when I was 14. The one hit was a routine grounder to 3rd, the third baseman didn’t bother getting in front of it and let it bounce cleanly under his glove. The score keepers would only give an error if it goes through the legs or hits leather. If the player is so shitty neither one of those things happen, it’s a hit.

I also threw a one hitter when I was 18. I struck out 16 that day with no walks. The one hit was a nubber off the end of the bat that just carried over the 1st baseman’s head. Cheap as hell but still a hit. The real pisser was I tried so hard to pick the guy off I threw one away allowing him to advance to 2nd. That was my only error the whole season. He then got to third on a ground ball then scored on a fly ball killing my shutout.

I doubt a Major Leager could throw a no no on shrooms or LSD. It’s just too hard.

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[quote]on edge wrote:
I doubt a Major Leager could throw a no no on shrooms or LSD. It’s just too hard.[/quote]

We realize this, but really… I don’t know what kind of experience you have with drugs (LSD particularly,) I wouldn’t doubt this at all.

I’m not a BAD basketball shot but again, one day a group of guys and I were playing basketball tripping for like 9 straight hours, I swear I must have been shooting 80-90%. It was insane.

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such great input w/in this thread.

LSD and to some extent shrooms (for Me) very INTENSE DRUGS — life altering no doubt.

while others saw trails and rainbows and bla,bla,bla…i saw creationism, infinity, good and evil, the universe all unfolding.

*notable - i was an art student, wherein painting, drawing, being hyper creative was always my thing age 5 onward…additionally i have a dark side in terms of humor, viewpoints, family history etc.

I WILL NEVER DO HALLUCINOGENICS AGAIN AND I CAN NO LONGER GET HIGH IT’S NOT COMFORTABLE OR ENJOYABLE SINCE MY BAD TRIPS!!!

all that being said, reminiscing about the bad trips is cool in retrospect, even the bad thought processes and visualizations were amazing yet dark.

thanks for the good read fellas…off to train chest, i just dropped two tabs of beta-alanine, creatine, caffeine and 5g of arginine, i’m going to be flying!!!

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I know of this high school QB on V who is about to break the single season passing record.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
While we are on the topic, the general perception is that LSD permanently changes your brain chemistry.

Has anyone here experienced anything like that in themselves or others?

I am also not saying this is a negative.[/quote]

I’ve tripped a couple hundred times, mostly paper, liquid a hand full of times and gel tabs a dozen or so.

I’ve had a couple “bad trips” and I recommend to anyone, once you have a bad one, stop tripping for good. Even the good times afterward are laced with darkness.

Paper is a heavier feeling, while liquid the easiest. Gel tabs are plain fantastic, but don’t mix them with paper. And don’t re-up. You pretty much have to double your dose to get off the second day, and when you are swallowing a 10 on Sunday afternoon, only to find the entire world melt away into irrelevance, Monday becomes a long day.

Oh and booze is necessary. Weed is cool, but if you aren’t getting shithouse drunk while beeming, you’re doing it wrong. (Sucks when you come down and are suddenly trashed…)

As far as permanent: The chemical effect isn’t, but you are never the same again. I can’t smoke weed anymore without paranoia.

I don’t know man… I mean is my brain failing and I’m not as smart and cognitive as I was before hand? I doubt it. I feel like my continual lack of sleep is more of a detriment.

Flashbacks are more just similar circumstances that you associate with that feeling, and therefore “relive it”, rather than “tripping again”. I do trail and “see ghosts” out of the corner of my eye when I’m exhausted. (Mid tax season is like a horror movie for me, lol.) [/quote]

Some good, accurate info here by you and Eli B. I spent my spring semester exploring LSD after trying some about a year ago and I can relate to a lot of what you guys say about it.

It absolutely can be a life-changing event. The intensity of it can be unreal. I had some bad trips on it, but if you can analyze the root of your bad trips well enough you can generally come out of them in a positive way as well. I definitely experienced the same problem with weed/paranoia but I think that’s because they are both psychoactive so you are tapping into the same issues that might’ve caused your bad trip. Once I dealt with my anxiety issues I was able to smoke weed again without paranoia.

“flashbacks” for me have been in the way you say in the sense that certain triggers will cause me to feel or relive part of a trip, but they seem to fade quite a bit with time. Sometimes that can be distracting if you are somewhere that you need full focus e.g. work or school. Also, I can consciously choose to make some patterns or carpet esp. “breathe” like while tripping, so I would say something definitely permanently changes from LSD.

Overall I’d say it was definitely a positive experience although certainly had it’s negative aspects, but it’s a great tool for self-discovery and I think I’m better off for having done it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Thank you. I was aware of the fact that most drugs get vilified in the media and in general perception…but this one fascinated ,e because of how in depth the military has tested these drugs on people for both examination of direct drug effects and its use for paranormal research.

I think there is a lot here that most don’t know about…and vilifying the drug ensures that the truth stays even more hidden.[/quote]

Here’s what happened when they gave it to the British Army:

Theres also a ton of material or at least there used to be on psychadelics. They were one of the most studied and researched drugs until the drug war took off, then they were demonized, and researchers were afraid to touch them for fear of career suicide.

Luckily, that is in the past and a lot of people are doing research with hallucinogens again and MDMA.

Stanislov Grof is one guy who I’ve read a bit of who did a lot of work in a therapeutic context in the past(Stanislav Grof - Wikipedia).

Some guys are John Hopkins are currently doing research on Psilocybin, the primary active ingredient in mushrooms. They used it on terminal cancer patients and have some ongoing research projects. You can find all their publications here: Psilocybin Research .

The people at MAPS are funding a lot of good interesting research too: http://www.maps.org/ .

I doubt it will lead to full scale legalization, but the dark ages seem to be passing and there is an active academic and professional interest in studying these substances again, these people are getting the permission to use them, and are actively publishing their research.

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[quote]dday wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’ve had a couple “bad trips” and I recommend to anyone, once you have a bad one, stop tripping for good. Even the good times afterward are laced with darkness.

As far as permanent: The chemical effect isn’t, but you are never the same again. I can’t smoke weed anymore without paranoia.

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
This is very true. One bad trip and the ‘darkness’ never fades. I used to absolutely love weed but after my first bad trip I can’t smoke anymore cause the paranoia is so intense that I actually throw up. Usually I am OK after I hurl though. A bad trip really is a living nightmare. Oh and on a side note, shooting assault rifles and shotguns mixed with a bad trip and thinking the people your are shooting with are trying to kill you is never a good combo.
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I agree with both of you and will add that it’s not a good idea to trip with strangers. I tripped once with strangers and the entire time there faces were evil skulls with glowing eyes. The thought 15yrs later gives me the chills it was that vivid.
The only real side effects I still have are occasional tracers, most notably when I have my high beams on, the blue indicator light bounces around on the dash.[/quote]

x3

I went steady on acid for years until I had a bad trip in Vegas. That was my last drop.
It has forever instilled in me what I call “The Fear”, which comes up at random, unexpected times. Makes me doubt myself and lose my confidence, because things are not what they seem.

No flashbacks from 'Nam, though.