Chesty Puller would have kicked him square in the nuts for being a stupid asshole and filming his moronic actions.
Yeah right! Ol’ Chesty would have his own videos all over youtube.[/quote]
I just read his bio last year. He was a hard nosed sonofabitch and wouldn’t have time for political correctness but he wouldn’t have tolerated an idiot Marine filming such a stupid act and letting it be used to to crticze the Marine Corp.
Of course I have no idea what tall tales they told you about his antics while you were a Marine.
[quote]Gael wrote:
No. Reread. “If you follow orders that require you to go against your conscience, you are not a hero. You are a moral coward.” This holds true regardless of what your specific moral convictions are.
What is your point in pointing out the obvious – that I am free not to sign up? Is this just another variation of the idiotic “If you don’t like this country, leave” … ?[/quote]
Yes.
Do other nations have this option of disobeying orders they do not like? And where would you draw the line as to what amounts to an atrocity?
Would the front lines or the platoon suddenly turn into a high school debate class while people are shooting at you?
What kind of an army would we have then? Every man for himself?
First, of course, show me where this guy was ordered to throw a puppy off a cliff, then we can talk.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Not to mention that what we have here is a harmless puppy. How anyone can be defending this heinous act and equate it to slaughtering livestock is beyond me.[/quote]
And if it is done to contractors trying to supply utilities to people, it is even worse.
Hey, while we’re on the topic of animals killings…Anyone ever see the video of the Taliban gassing dogs? How about Saddam’s special forces smashing bunny heads against trees?
[quote]MightyMaus wrote:
will to power wrote:
Makavali wrote:
will to power wrote:
How exactly were Iraqis threatening your freedom?
I was more pissed at this comment: “Well, what else do you expect. They train these young kids to become killing machines. This is what happens”
As far as I’m concerned, the soldier did their job. The fault lies with the people who organized such a half assed occupation. But I’m sure Saddam was a nice enough guy. You know, aside from gassing villages and such.
I love how any time someone questions the motives, execution and morality of the invasion it means they’re supporting Saddam. I’ve hated Saddam probably longer than you knew who he was, and what he did hits a damn lot closer to me than you so don’t give me that bullshit. The point was, whatever you want to say about the troops, the job they have been given isn’t defending your freedom.
Actually, I worked quite close with many in the military intelligence field during the invasion. If the public knew what those with high enough clearance found out right after the invasion you would reconsider your statement and probably send the Pentagon roses for a year.
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Oh, thank you! I’m all turned around now that I’ve been informed by an anonymous guy on the internet that the US government is just hiding proof Saddam was a threat. The logic here is undeniable.
Where are these facilities, how did he keep them from being bombed, and why are there no news reports about them? Or is this another thing your government has decided that nah, it’ll keep it a secret just because?
If by ‘that stuff’ you mean yellowcake, it isn’t useful in dirty bombs.
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I guess I have to agree that their job wasn’t to defend our freedom. It was to defend our lives.[/quote]
From a top secret threat that the public isn’t allowed to know exists. The plans are there! We, ah, just can’t tell you about them. Except on the internet by anonymous posters.
[quote]will to power wrote:
Oh, thank you! I’m all turned around now that I’ve been informed by an anonymous guy on the internet that the US government is just hiding proof Saddam was a threat. The logic here is undeniable.[/quote]
That one made me laugh out oud.
Damn those sneaky liberals and their exclusive control over the media!
[quote]Spend a few minuted thinking about what that stuff can do to the human body.
If by ‘that stuff’ you mean yellowcake, it isn’t useful in dirty bombs.[/quote]
Actually, it is.
That said, “dirty bombs” aren’t fatal beyond the level of whatever conventional explosive was used to detonate it. It’s mostly a psychological weapon and the main issue is cleaning up the place from radioactive material.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Hey, while we’re on the topic of animals killings…Anyone ever see the video of the Taliban gassing dogs? How about Saddam’s special forces smashing bunny heads against trees?
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Not sure you’re helping your case here…I read this post and what it says to me is “so, see, we’re just like the Taliban and Saddam’s troops!”.
Not the best way to say that there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with doing that to an animal.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
McDonalds pays more.
Depends on how you break down the pay rates of the military. The military actually pays pretty well, especially for those with little work experience, no technical skills, and no formal education, which is the vast majority of new recruits.[/quote]
yeah but you have a lot less chance of having the fryalator explode in your face than getting hit by an IED.
@ october girl, maybe the people you know genuinly signed up to “fight for our freedom” but if thats what they think theyre even doing in the first place theyre some very naive people. a cache of RPGs thousands of miles away is the least of my worries. if they cared that much about protecting our feedom they should go build a legitment border around mexico. cause man if they really think theyre freedoms fighters they probaly just really signed up cause they wanted all the attention of being percieved as a hero. nothing against people in the military but i think a lot of people think theyre some valiant motherfuckers not for the shit they do when placed in that situation (like saving a girl who got her leg blown off) but for placing themselves in that situation to start (to fight terror and shit to save you and me).
[quote]lixy wrote:
will to power wrote:
Spend a few minuted thinking about what that stuff can do to the human body.
If by ‘that stuff’ you mean yellowcake, it isn’t useful in dirty bombs.
Actually, it is.
That said, “dirty bombs” aren’t fatal beyond the level of whatever conventional explosive was used to detonate it. It’s mostly a psychological weapon and the main issue is cleaning up the place from radioactive material.
[quote]lixy wrote:
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Of course, facts don’t matter much when tools are trying to justify a war of aggression.[/quote]
Saddam invaded Kuwait. The US kiicked him out. Saddam did not abide by the peace treaty. The US deposed him and is helping the Iraqi people develop a REAL democracy.
yeah but you have a lot less chance of having the fryalator explode in your face than getting hit by an IED.
@ october girl, maybe the people you know genuinly signed up to “fight for our freedom” but if thats what they think theyre even doing in the first place theyre some very naive people. a cache of RPGs thousands of miles away is the least of my worries. if they cared that much about protecting our feedom they should go build a legitment border around mexico. cause man if they really think theyre freedoms fighters they probaly just really signed up cause they wanted all the attention of being percieved as a hero. nothing against people in the military but i think a lot of people think theyre some valiant motherfuckers not for the shit they do when placed in that situation (like saving a girl who got her leg blown off) but for placing themselves in that situation to start (to fight terror and shit to save you and me).[/quote]
I understand what you are saying. But it is against our laws for the military to patrol our borders…
I don’t think a lot of folks know that. They also can’t go in and wipe out crime or patrol streets. They can’t even carry out humanitarian missions without an invitation from the state and an okay from governing bodies. Another reason they could not just run in and help with Katrina.
But it would be nice if they could patrol our borders. I am pretty sure we are the only nation where our military does not secure our borders.
yeah but you have a lot less chance of having the fryalator explode in your face than getting hit by an IED.
@ october girl, maybe the people you know genuinly signed up to “fight for our freedom” but if thats what they think theyre even doing in the first place theyre some very naive people. a cache of RPGs thousands of miles away is the least of my worries. if they cared that much about protecting our feedom they should go build a legitment border around mexico. cause man if they really think theyre freedoms fighters they probaly just really signed up cause they wanted all the attention of being percieved as a hero. nothing against people in the military but i think a lot of people think theyre some valiant motherfuckers not for the shit they do when placed in that situation (like saving a girl who got her leg blown off) but for placing themselves in that situation to start (to fight terror and shit to save you and me).
I understand what you are saying. But it is against our laws for the military to patrol our borders…
I don’t think a lot of folks know that. They also can’t go in and wipe out crime or patrol streets. They can’t even carry out humanitarian missions without an invitation from the state and an okay from governing bodies. Another reason they could not just run in and help with Katrina.
But it would be nice if they could patrol our borders. I am pretty sure we are the only nation where our military does not secure our borders.
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im nto saying they need to join the army to partrol our borders i was saying that if they truly wanted to do something protective they could build a fence across mexico. shit they could join border patrol or just stop by home depot first.
yeah but you have a lot less chance of having the fryalator explode in your face than getting hit by an IED.
@ october girl, maybe the people you know genuinly signed up to “fight for our freedom” but if thats what they think theyre even doing in the first place theyre some very naive people. a cache of RPGs thousands of miles away is the least of my worries.
If they cared that much about protecting our feedom they should go build a legitment border around mexico. cause man if they really think theyre freedoms fighters they probaly just really signed up cause they wanted all the attention of being percieved as a hero.
Nothing against people in the military but i think a lot of people think theyre some valiant motherfuckers not for the shit they do when placed in that situation (like saving a girl who got her leg blown off) but for placing themselves in that situation to start (to fight terror and shit to save you and me).
I understand what you are saying. But it is against our laws for the military to patrol our borders…
I don’t think a lot of folks know that. They also can’t go in and wipe out crime or patrol streets. They can’t even carry out humanitarian missions without an invitation from the state and an okay from governing bodies. Another reason they could not just run in and help with Katrina.
But it would be nice if they could patrol our borders. I am pretty sure we are the only nation where our military does not secure our borders.
im nto saying they need to join the army to partrol our borders i was saying that if they truly wanted to do something protective they could build a fence across mexico. shit they could join border patrol or just stop by home depot first.[/quote]
out here we have the Minute Men on the border.
Folks get to choose how they want to serve their country if they choose to serve at all.
What is it you do for your community? I am just asking because you don’t strike me as a community service person, but I don’t know, maybe you are.
Is it that you think we don’t need any military presence in any foreign territory?
I do what i do. i go to school, i work, i got my head on right but im not out looking for anyone to call me a hero and im not out in some other guy’s community shooting shit up and kicking down doors.
youre right people can do what they want and serve how they want, but the thing is i dont really feel these people are serving this country shit or protecting shit for freedom. when we go to war with China in 5 years go and fight for “freedom”. like i said, a cache of RPGs in some hut thousands of miles away is not a threat to my freedom.
Especially when most the people they fight over there are only fighting cause they want the occupation out. if a country invaded us and were patroling up and down my streets tearing shit up shooting people then yea id have a bunch of guns in my house too.
anything else of relevance to this ive already said in previous posts.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
I do what i do. i go to school, i work, i got my head on right but im not out looking for anyone to call me a hero and im not out in some other guy’s community shooting shit up and kicking down doors.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
A lady in the room made the comment: “Well, what else do you expect. They train these young kids to become killing machines. This is what happens”.
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This has little to do with why some psychopath would kill an innocent living being. Marines are not trained to kill puppies.
I would say the reason this happens is because recruitment has forced the military to lower its standards – though it has never really had high standards to begin with. Historically, wars have been fought by unsophisticated individuals and we can’t be too surprised when stuff like this happens.
[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:
Not sure you’re helping your case here…I read this post and what it says to me is “so, see, we’re just like the Taliban and Saddam’s troops!”.
Not the best way to say that there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with doing that to an animal.
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Not what I was doing. People are putting our troops down because ONE MAN killed a puppy. He was not ordered to do so, and it is not part of his duties as a Marine.
Yet the enemy has killed many more dogs and I do not hear the same people who criticize our troops saying a damn thing about these dog killings (and atrocities in general).
One man killed a dog. Big reaction because he is American.
Taliban and Al-Qaeda behead living humans…where’s the equal outrage?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
Not sure you’re helping your case here…I read this post and what it says to me is “so, see, we’re just like the Taliban and Saddam’s troops!”.
Not the best way to say that there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with doing that to an animal.
Not what I was doing. People are putting our troops down because ONE MAN killed a puppy. He was not ordered to do so, and it is not part of his duties as a Marine.
Yet the enemy has killed many more dogs and I do not hear the same people who criticize our troops saying a damn thing about these dog killings (and atrocities in general).
One man killed a dog. Big reaction because he is American.
Taliban and Al-Qaeda behead living humans…where’s the equal outrage?[/quote]
Well, simply put - we’re supposed to be the GOOD guys. Being the GOOD guys means we’re all not supposed to kill little helpless things?
Why? 'Cuz that’s what the bad guys do.
I think we SHOULD get our panties in a bunch if we start acting like the Taliban. It’s not a good road to walk down.
Even if it’s one dude at first, it’s not a good trend.
I hear your point, I was just saying your wording made it sound a lil hard to swallow.