Has anybody tried it? If so, please elaborate on your experiences(s) with it. What is its legal status in the US? I read on Wikipedia that is unregulated but I just want to double check.
It is presently legal, but that could change in a heartbeat if the FDA decides. Available in bulk on the web.
I think Berardi likes it and has mentioned it somewhere on here.
Google is your friend for places where there are more extensive discussions of nootropics.
If you take it, be sure to take a choline source e.g. lecithin or better CDP choline/alpha GPC choline.
Some people love it, other (like me) it does nothing for.
It’s legal, most nootropics still are. I’ve never taken it, but would like to hear anyone whose had results. I wouldn’t expect many on this forum, though. There’s some reports on erowid about it.
I’m pretty sure that you can get it. I got it shipped from the USA to Canada without problems.
However, if you’re looking for cognitive enhancement (nootropics) then you could do better…
The best are:
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modafinil (But it is schedule 4 I think. If people can get steroids shipped cross border, then you could probably get this without serious incident.)
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Adrafinil (Unregulated, I believe, but it is metabolized to modfinil in the body. Less research on long term effects , that is, don’t use it for more than a few months).
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Spike. 'nuff said
Other good ones are caffeine, and ALCAR.
If you get into the *racetams, remember to take choline to avoid a possible headache.
Also, most of the research on racetams has been done with patients with Alzheimer’s Disease, dementia, and so on, and has been of some small benefit. That is, there most likely isn’t any significant benefit in normal healthy individuals. There is a reason why these drugs are not prescription medication: they most likely weren’t a significant enough benefit to go through the approval process.
But feel free to try it.
Also, look at the ImmInst.org forums.
This thread is good:
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=169&t=4633&s=
There are some good threads already on this site about piracetam. I know I have personally answered this question several times. Not trying to be a dick, just pointing out that a lot of information is already there.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
There are some good threads already on this site about piracetam. I know I have personally answered this question several times. Not trying to be a dick, just pointing out that a lot of information is already there.[/quote]
Sorry neph, no offense meant. I don’t hang here much and I don’t know what depth you’ve discussed them. I do know that it’s been discussed in detail and with a bunch of combinations in the past at imminst and other forums.
NB the imminst forum has been taken over by the “there’s no human research, it’s all placebo none of this stuff works” crowd.
Oh and:
Modafinil and Adrafinil ain’t cognitive enhancers. They are a funny kind of stimulant. Many love them, but I’d rather have powerdrive, or neurostim or red bull, etc etc.
[quote]ScottL wrote:
NB the imminst forum has been taken over by the “there’s no human research, it’s all placebo none of this stuff works” crowd.
Oh and:
Modafinil and Adrafinil ain’t cognitive enhancers. They are a funny kind of stimulant. Many love them, but I’d rather have powerdrive, or neurostim or red bull, etc etc.
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Fair enough.
What do/did you take that you have found to work well (for yourself)?
I took it a couple of years ago. I bought the bulk powder from Beyond A Century and made my own caps from it. Loved it. I’ve tried most all the legal nootropics and that one is pretty much at the top.
BTW I have to ditto the previous shout outs for Power Drive and NeuroStim. I currently use both. Power Drive in the morning and Neurostim pre-workout (usually late afternoon/early evening).
Haven’t tried Spike yet but will be giving it a shot at some point.
Regarding Vinpocetine, this is actually one of the ingredients in NeuroStim. I’ve tried it both separately (When I managed GNC they had a house brand with 5 mg. that they sold for a brief time) and in the blend, and it was excellent.
Maybe Biotest could throw it into an updated version of Power Drive
[quote]T Ham wrote:
ScottL wrote:
NB the imminst forum has been taken over by the “there’s no human research, it’s all placebo none of this stuff works” crowd.
Oh and:
Modafinil and Adrafinil ain’t cognitive enhancers. They are a funny kind of stimulant. Many love them, but I’d rather have powerdrive, or neurostim or red bull, etc etc.
Fair enough.
What do/did you take that you have found to work well (for yourself)?[/quote]
I think this whole area of supps (nootropics) is very idiosyncratic i.e. what works well for me may not work well for you. YOu gotta try different things depending on your goals. I had a whole wiki entry on this area, but alas that wiki is no more.
The stuff that works for me (perhaps because of ADD like tendencies?) are stimulating things e.g. as I said, powerdrive, neurostim, spike (but subtler then powerdrive for me). Oh and pramacetam is great to get more stuff done, but very pricey.
Depending on your goals there are whole forums with more indepth discussions that I can provide.
tModafinil and Adrafinil both worked to keep me up (I used them when had to be up late working) but I had less motivation and was more distracted then with other choices. I’ve seen other similar reactions, though many (most?) love them. Again for what they are i.e. way to stay up all night.