Can people share their experience going from a more a dose say of 150-200mg a week, then drop down to 80-120? Physique change, libido, strength? How much of the gains were you able to retain?
I guess we can also equate it to being constantly over 1200 TT to say 700 on trough days in case we are asking over responders. In general what I am getting at is being on higher end TRT which plenty of docs will frown upon and only the more liberal ones will let you get away with, versus being on a more conservative TRT regimen.
This will be person dependent, most likely. My TT/FT/e2 on 150mg may not be what yours are, and that will impact “gains”. Try it and see how you respond
Dude… come on man it’s not hard to figure out what I am asking. I even further clarified in the second part. The short of it is going from a more liberal dose where you are pushing the limits to a more conservative dose approved by almost every doctor.
I know what you’re asking. And I’m sorry my answer upset you, so I’ll expound on it: I would guess you will notice very little difference in “gains” at 1200ng TT vs 700-900ng TT. This of course depends on your diet, workouts, lifestyle (rest and recovery), length of time on, SHBG levels (and thus FT levels), along with e2, PRL, etc. And that’s gonna be unique to you. So, in short, only you know how you will respond, and the way to find that out is to try it and see. Let us know how it goes
Comparing between the respective extremes of the ranges you gave, we have the difference between 150 and 80 mg/week, and 200 and 120 mg/week.
For me, either of those would be a massive difference. Total body transformation. More so the former because the closer you are to 0 the greater the difference in effects (think about extremes, the difference between 10 and 60mg/week, compared to the difference between 1000 and 1050 mg/week).
But even the difference between 120 and 200 mg/week is ridiculous for me. I would seriously be borderline unrecognizable
TRT isn’t about “dem gains”. You might have better luck on the pharma forum. TRT is to treat hypogonadism or age related hormone decline for a plethora of reasons other than performance enhancement which gives it a bad stigma the way you are approaching it but… to each there own.
Yes it is because response will be based on individual metabolizing. @swoops39 gave you a proper answer assuming you wanted assistance as an individual. My own personal experience has been very little difference in physique from mid range to upper range. In fact going “too high” has had negative impacts on libido despite positive impacts on physique.
I don’t know why you would be it was both appropriate and sincere.
For me it’s the opposite. Despite giving you a slightly hard time in opening due to your reply @swoops39 I am as guilty as hell for pushing the envelope. I had a profound physical transformation going from low T to and doubling it to around 700-800 ng/dl on average. Going to 1100 on average made a slight difference but not profound. I hope that helps but as it has been mentioned responses like this are individual. If you want to use Test as a PED you will get a lot of opinions in pharma on Blast and Cruise.
TRT is about what each individual makes it about. Simply put 100-200mg is in fact anabolic. I also did not ask you or anyone else what is TRT or what it is about. 150-200mg can be very damn anabolic, and I even mentioned levels to avoid the whole “150mg is different for everyone”. In general “TRT” even if not for dem gains as you put it can be very damn anabolic, it comes with the treatment wether we are looking for it or not.
He did not answer me because I asked for specific experiences. I did not ask if we are different and what 150mg is for someone else compared to me. Literally reread the first sentence of my OP. See you then go on to answer me finally addressing my OP, good job thank you.
It was not appropriate and sincere like most of your post either. I don’t get what’s up with these forums and just not tackling the question or issues posed.
See again when addressing @nagicago you tend to get more on point. Why the need for all this other lecturing which wasn’t even asked. Plenty of people get on TRT for “optimization” and not for the bare minimum to be “normal” and that’s just the honest truth. Sorry but many of us did not get on a life long injection regimen to hang around 500-600 and just be normal/average and you or anyone don’t get to decide if we are wrong or not.
There was a study on naturals that looked at average muscle mass vs TT. They concluded that on average 100 ng/dL equaled about 1 lb of extra lean tissue. So if one were to go from 700 to 1200 ng/dL, I would think that over several years, they would be about 5 lbs of lean tissue heavier.
In my personal experience with blasting and cruising, I think the changes would be slow. I don’t start wasting away going from close to 5,000 ng/dL to 1,000 ng/dL (I use average levels, not trough).
I had a very similar experience. Going from 305ng > 937ng I saw a big change in body composition. But pushing up to even 2000ng for 12 weeks didn’t really have the impact I expected (I had some muscle gain, more “fullness”). Double the TT, almost triple the FT, and yet just “normal” gains. I have run cycles tho and really see the difference above 500-750mg of test. I see more muscle these days when I keep test low and add in Var and/or Primo.
But we are all different. Some guys look like pro BBers on 120mg a week. Some guys are DYEL lol. It just depends.
I wonder what they considered as “extra lean tissue”. Like did they figure what your LBM should be for your height, age, lifting history, and then calculate from there? I can’t even imagine how to structure that study lol
I should have wrote “equaled about an extra 1 lb of lean tissue”, not “extra lean tissue” haha.
I believe it was a very large study. Would have to be to account for genetic differences, height differences, etc… IIRC, the study was done by Brad Schoenfeld (who I think is pretty legit).
No its literally not. TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY not TESTOSTERONE ENHANCEMENT THERAPY
Yes he did. You just didn’t like the answer and your question was formatted in a way that you had to give a definitive answer. There is no definitive answer.
“Can people share their experience”, so no he did not. I didn’t like being told about some thing I didn’t ask for. Just like what you steered this convo to when no one asked you for your opinions on the matters you brought up.
Bro, if you have a problem to how someone views or uses TRT please feel free to ignore and skip over. The question was simple, what physique change did people see when lowering dose to a certain level plain and simple. No need to lecture about “dem gainz”
I got good or what I would call optimal physique changes when at or approaching 450 ng/dL on injections (80mg weekly/49mg weekly on dailies) and currently get the same results on Jatenzo 237mg twice daily. My levels vary greatly on Jatenzo in a 12-hour period, as high as 980 ng/dL at peak (2 hours after dosing) and 289 ng/dL at 12 hours.
I have low SHBG so a lot of my androgens are free.
