Yes, while running a test base of anywhere from 100/wk to 200/wk.
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Random question, when reconstituting peptides or other dry compounds with sterile water, is there a limit to how hot the water can be before it ruins the peptide?
When I was younger I boiled water to reconstitute hgh. Was on a moronic nonsensical diy kick. Anyway, a few of those times I dont think it cooled completely before I reconstituted. Wondering if that hotter water was negligible, significant, or destroyed the compound after entering the syringe and being sprayed in a tiny stream into the vial.
Yes the hot water can ruin the compound depending on it was. HGH for sure.
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I used to be even dumber.
3+ weeks:
Most impressions continue to settle in their same trends.
Body composition is preferable to equal dose testosterone. Same muscle mass about, less fat. Much more defined face.
Sex is give/take from testosterone: orgasm is harder to achieve but less performance anxiety. I wouldn’t say erections or drive are better themselves, but both still benefit from the lack of anxiety.
Mentality: I am able to more easily control emotions, but find more difficulty getting up and getting active. I am able to feel a greater breadth of emotions.
Sleep: affected by carpal tunnel, hard to assess.
Joints: much better still, since even the first few days.
2ndaries: more body hair than on testosterone.
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It was a sound idea. If you had let it cool in a sterile environment first you would have been solid!
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It should be BAC water, not Sterile water… Basically Sterile Water + 1% Benzyl Alcohol.
The alcohol keeps it sterile for repeated draws.
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There was no such thing as bac water in 2008 in the south, and I’m sticking to that story 
Dumb. But yeah didnt get much out of that tevtropin and guessing I denatured the old origami there.
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About a month in.
Pros: joints still feel amazing, even psychological keel, best body composition of my “trt” experience, relatively sexually functional.
Cons: more tired/ drowsy, less drive to get out there for any reason, less sexual intensity, sadder/more down in general, acquired carpal tunnel, which might be to do with water retention.
Outcomes have been pretty consistent from day one. Will probably give it a few more weeks, then likely lower nandrolone dosage and reintroduce low-dose test back in at a few mg/day increase weekly. No solid plan yet, but it seems the Pros are associated even with low (50mg/wk) doses, so lowest effective dose in concert with other compounds might be where nandrolone fits for me.
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I’m sure I’ll be hated on, but what happened to working out? Anymore it sounds like Frankensteins experiment, I’m apparently super old school… the only thing you thought about was your diet, protein intake, and busting ass in the gym… now it seems you need a PhD to lift…
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Rhino75:I agree with this, with the exception of when i got into my 50s my test dipped radically and I wentt on test, pretty high at first, like blast doses, and then through a combination of bro-science and talking to my doc (annoying my doc lol) I found a spot that I like, I’ve also experimented with some other things, like low dose deca and then low NPP for the pain in my joints from arthritis, but I dont like the mental sides.
I will say this I never touched a thing but weights, whey, and a good diet until I was 51. I will also say I still to this day at 53 years old am in the gym 6 days a week, am on a really good diet for me, designed over decades of doing this shit all natural. Then my body stopped being able to keep up, test brings it back to where it was.
To the OP: why would you remove the Test? With your history and goals, I can see adding some nandrolone at a low dose to help with joints, but without test I think I would feel awful. But everyone is different.
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I too suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome. My Chiropractor suggested I get the wide rubber bands from the produce dept in my local store and put them at the ends of my fingers and press out; it is amazing at the difference that occurs; the pain is much lessened after a couple of weeks using this new exercise.
I do want to ask about your absolute refusal to use an AI. I am someone that converts Test to Estrogen, and without the use of an AI ( Arimidex in this case) my ankles swell up, I cry at TV programs, and I get monster bitchy about everything.
Have you ever taken Resveratrol as an AI? It is a very gentle AI with many other positive benefits; I started back using it after a long time of other ideas.
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No hate here. I was a professional strength and conditioning coach in various capacities for over a decade and had a semi-professional sports career before ever even researching anabolics or replacement, and did so at a natural test level below 200. Currently I work an extremely physical schedule and am enjoying taking a break from constant athletics. My goals are to feel out what numerous other people have tried and see if it works better or worse for me. Im not sure your concern describes me at all; nor is it necessary to head to a forum dedicated to pharma and trt to be exasperated with a journal on those subjects. I agree, though, hard work good.
That’s the thing, in researching others’ experiences some felt awful, some felt so/so, and some felt great. I have access to pharma grade nandrolone and wanted to try it. So far, my results are lot more pleasant than many suspected but definitely not optimal. I feel healthy, and Ill be interested in what my bloodwork looks like to have better perspective before I move on.
I have the best body composition of my life, my joints work better than ever, Im having decent sex, and I dont want to kill myself. So far Im glad I did it. Pretty well past worrying about what it will feel like. My goal in removing the test was to try “nandrolone-only” as others have done, as a substitute for testosterone, and see if my body feels different or better. It was also to remove the specter that the combination of test and deca might be what causes problems with nandrolone.
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I have used arimidex and letrozole extensively. The thought behind not using it now is that nandrolone does not aromatize but to a much smaller degree that testosterone does. I did not feel it wise to add anti estrogen with a 200mg/wk androgen base that doesnt aromatize much. That was part of my interest: could this be used as a base compound that requires less taken with it to balance? Well see.
Thanks. Ill try the rubber band stuff tonight!
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I’m not trying to rain in anyone’s parade by any means… just in my opinion, the downsides out weigh the benefits…
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Youre good man. When i get back to the weights itll be interesting. All my maxes were at sub 200 testosterone, and wildly, as an individual, that didn’t hamper my limit strength. I had a diesel CNS. But I didnt heal, and I broke all the time. I think theres a huge distinction between going from fine-natty to 500-1500 total load cycling etc, and between having secondary hypogonadism, maximizing it for 20 years, exiting competition, and looking for the right compounds to feel normal under a 250 load, after 7 years of testosterone therapy. On trt, my joints were already destroyed, so goals werent limit strength, so i didnt remax or try to get beyond that. My joints feel like they did when I was 15 and my technique is 20years of educated “better.” Will be exciting to get back to the hammer and anvil when I choose.
Edit: theres also the process - reward angle. I look better and feel better than when I was natural and lifting and training 2xday 6xweek under professional supervision and diet etc… even without huge doses. For me, this experimenting is just another way to know myself and live a better life.
I have not heard a peep about nandrolone alone or about it having problems with test. I read stuff everywhere all the time. It truly is amazing how much these compounds vary from person to person. It’s almost like all this talking that we do Sort of pointless. I could tell you all about my experience, but odds are that won’t be your experience. Currently I’m on Primo, test, and a low dose NPP. The NPP makes me feel weird at work and I have to concentrate but it’s OK if I’m home or in the gym. I have bloodwork on the 30th so will really know then but I feel really good I’m working with a lot of injuries.
If you could send me any of those articles or anything, you’ve read that talks about bad interactions with test and nandrolone or Article or research, talking about doing nandrolone by itself as a PED. I’d really be interested in reading that. Glad its working out for you, Feels good when you find the right thing for you.
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Ill round up what Ive been digging into. I love scholarly sources, but I’m talking more about anecdotal accounts, videos, etc… not sure if ncbi is crawling with double-blinds to illuminate deca dick, but I’ll hit you back!
Taeian’s Camel Cult group is solo deca/nandrolone and have been for more then 10 years. You can access it on FB and he also has a website as well. Lots of good stuff there if you go through all of his posts using a search button. He has plenty of guys doing Deca solo and plenty of huge guys on Deca solo as well and they all feel great without any test sides. Also has helped numerous people with their gut issues( and a lot more) as its his field and hes been doing it for the last 20 years 24/7. The key is to have access to real, legitimate, pharma grade Deca/Nandrolone and only then design a Deca/Nandrolone based protocol and go from there. Some need a little bit of test, some no test at all. His guys have fixed their hair shedding, prostate issues and feeling like crap on T, from all the sides. I have’t tried it myself because it gets quite expensive but now since good pharma deca can be sourced more easily and cheaper I might give it a go next year some time.
Also you can find Dr Lichten on youtube and in podcasts as hes the OG of treating people with androgens and loves using Deca/Nandrolone as well. Hes been doing it for decades and is probably in his 70s now. He has cured some people that nobody else could so its really amazing what can be done with androgens and proper guidance.
To the OP- its great that you are experimenting and taking your time to let us know how you feel. I’m looking forward in hearing from you and read your thread every time I login 
Thank you! and Best of luck!
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