I guess no one else is going to comment but I think everything has been said.
I appreciate commenters’ feedback and perceptions and got some good advice for the future - which starts now!.
Thanks everybody.
Just another possible insight.
Many men have expressed discomfort at living in an increasingly feminized world. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing; just certain aspects of it are.
For example, men are frequently portrayed in the media as being lazy and incompetent, and just generally incapable. It’s even been the subject of many televised jokes where a man tries to be “more manly”, fails at the task, and the whole situation is used to get laughs from the audience/viewers.
While I certainly agree that there needed to be some balance, I completely disagree with some of the tactics of feminism that quite literally mock and ridicule “the enemy”, rather than highlighting and showcasing the strengths of females.
So, let’s just say that that in his home and work environment, he feels he’s lost his sense of control, and his sense of masculinity in the face of a couple generations of semi-aggressive femininity… from his wife, from his children, from draconian HR practices, whatever.
If that’s the case (and I have a feeling it’s the case to at least some degree), he felt a need to assert himself SOMEWHERE, and it just happened to be to you, in that argument/fight/email.
On a personal note, I do feel that to a large degree that the institutions and training of genuine ‘manliness’ have been degraded over the years. Which leaves a bunch of guys that instinctively want to feel like men, but really have no idea how, or have any good models of mature male behavior.
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Why on earth would you talk to someone like that, regardless of gender?
If they are too stupid to listen, they aren’t worth your time.[/quote]
That’s what I was wondering. Why you choose to engage with someone with “a pattern” of nasty behavior. That you’re shrieking at him to make a point about a book is silly at best. Do you really need to be told that his response was dumb? Okay, it was dumb. But you rode that train with him, and it sounds like you do it with some regularity. So I guess you get what you get.
But I’m not male, and you did specify that it was male…er, perspectives…that you sought, so…good luck![/quote]
hey Emily, women are welcome to comment too.
I’m just trying to work out what can and should not be tolerated from someone who styles themselves a friend.
Sorry if i don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people.
As for the regularity thing, it takes time to get to know someone and their patterns. It was only on reflection that i realised his own patterns.
I’m sure you know some people who drive you crazy. Does it mean you throw them away if they have redeeming virtues?
I don’t know what you do, but most people around here have their boundaries and no-go zones.
I was just curious about what men think about that sentence. I enjoy hearing people’s views![/quote]
'nuffsaid, do you realize that in a short return post to me you’ve employed defensiveness, sarcasm, and a passive-aggressive attack on my character?
Defensive: “I’m just trying to…”
Sarcastic, defensive, passive-aggressive: “Sorry if I don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people.”
Passive-aggressive: “I don’t know what you do, but most people around here have their boundaries and no-go zones.”
You and your friend both need to strengthen boundaries. You need to stop needling people when they don’t say what you want, as you have throughout this thread and presumably did to your friend. Screaming at someone who doesn’t care enough to listen to a book review should be a no-go. His statement is an idiotic defense of indefensible behavior, but so is “Sorry if I don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people” which you used in defense of having yelled at and hung up on your friend and then asked for support regarding his unbearable awfulness online. You have support regarding his behavior, it WAS awful. But you may want to check your own. I say this not as an attack…I don’t know you or care about you enough to aggress in any way…but merely as feedback from a more objective place.
Were it me and I wanted to maintain the friendship, I might apologize for being a jerk myself, promise that I would try not to repeat my own shitty patterns, and then state that however I will not tolerate any further gender attacks.
[/quote]
Well Emily, here is your initial response:
"That you’re shrieking at him to make a point about a book is silly at best. Do you really need to be told that his response was dumb? Okay, it was dumb. But you rode that train with him, and it sounds like you do it with some regularity. So I guess you get what you get. "
You called my behaviour silly, questioned my “need” to be told something and criticise me for getting what I get.
A condescending little bunch of remarks and then you can’t take some sarcasm?
amy my, labelling all my behaviours. And you don’t expect comeback.
"Passive-aggressive eh? " You know why I said “I don’t know what you do?” Because I don’t know you Emily. That’s why. Seems to me you’re being defensive and snarky. Not a polite response to begin with, then a nannytype response with actually some reasonable advice right at the end.
Pity it took so long to get there.
Now, your point about me shrieking at him about a book. Of cours rto an outsider it seems silly.
The whole thing was stupid. When people rant and scream at each other it’s not always about the thing even if it seems trivial. But I did not - or tried not - discuss every little thing about every little nuance of the preceding circumstances because I did not wish to bring his personal circumstances into this discussion.
I made the very specific point that I wanted feedback on a sentence which was seriously misplaced.
After your patronising remarks you finally gave me that feedback. Thank you.
by the way, there’s a useful little phrase that circulates in places like this: “If you can’t take it don’t dish it out.”
Your initial response was neither polite nor helpful and you seem to have taken my remarks in response to your criticism way way too personally.
Do you seriously think I’m going to sit back and say Yes Ma’am in the face of your rudeness??
Forget it.
Maybe you and Cargo guy should have a little confab - you seem well-attuned to each other and almost equally rude in your own ways.[/quote]
Lol. It’s time for some introspection, nuffsaid. You play the victim well but personal responsibility is better.
Well, I think the cat is out of the bag in this thread.
It was never in the bag.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Just another possible insight.
Many men have expressed discomfort at living in an increasingly feminized world. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing; just certain aspects of it are.
For example, men are frequently portrayed in the media as being lazy and incompetent, and just generally incapable. It’s even been the subject of many televised jokes where a man tries to be “more manly”, fails at the task, and the whole situation is used to get laughs from the audience/viewers.
While I certainly agree that there needed to be some balance, I completely disagree with some of the tactics of feminism that quite literally mock and ridicule “the enemy”, rather than highlighting and showcasing the strengths of females.
So, let’s just say that that in his home and work environment, he feels he’s lost his sense of control, and his sense of masculinity in the face of a couple generations of semi-aggressive femininity… from his wife, from his children, from draconian HR practices, whatever.
If that’s the case (and I have a feeling it’s the case to at least some degree), he felt a need to assert himself SOMEWHERE, and it just happened to be to you, in that argument/fight/email.
On a personal note, I do feel that to a large degree that the institutions and training of genuine ‘manliness’ have been degraded over the years. Which leaves a bunch of guys that instinctively want to feel like men, but really have no idea how, or have any good models of mature male behavior.[/quote]
Hi LoRez. Yes, these general issues have been much discussed here on TNation. Many of the ridicule stuff by the way on TV is actually in sitcoms which are meant to be funny and REVERSE real life.
But as far as respect goes - well, there are many males/men whatever who say nasty - and I mean NASTY, grotesque stuff about women and then act surprised when women criticise them or don’t want to be around them. The old double standard.
The issues you discuss may well have influenced the guy. I can tell you he would NEVER have accepted me telling him that he should treat me in a womanly way etc though. And again I wouldn’t see that as appropriate.
The argument wasn’t just about the book it has to do with his issues of his hero worship of certain people and his personality in general. All I wanted to do was to clarify I suppose what actual adults thought of this comment.
He did the same procedure with another member of the club long ago. Same thing happened - the girl ended up screaming at him in frustration too because he talked over her, wouldn’t let her correct his wrong impression of what she’d said - and you know what happened? HE got pissed off and upset becaseu she called him “stupid” becaseu he wouldn’t listen!! he even said he wouldn’t come any more to the club because of that!!
It was all about HIS feelings!!
I laid it out for him weeks later, when he asked me: “She shouldn’t have called me stupid, should she?” I explained exactly what he had done in the preceding minutes that had led up to her screaming. I did not blame him, I said “firast she said that then you did this then this happened…” like that. Clinical.
After that, he just said: “I don’t like being lectured.”
No acknowledgement of his behaviour at ALL, no recognition of his role or that he may actually have beahved stupidly.
After the fight I actually felt that maybe we should just continue our dialogues via email, which gives space and time before responses.
See, even after the stoush, I was considering a way we could still be friends but without fighting.
But then I received the email which featured that sentence and I realised it wouldn’t be possible. You see, though he doesn’t like being ridiculed, he gives himself the right to insult, jeer at, mock and patronise the other peron. He only notices insults when he recieves them, not when he gives them.
That sentence was the funniest thing in that email, which may give you an idea of how bad it was. Maybe not to others but it made me really stop and have a good look at things.
I didn’t really deal with the things you brought up but thanks for responding again! 
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
Well, I think the cat is out of the bag in this thread.[/quote]
There’s a cat!!!??? It’s not complicated enough??
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Why on earth would you talk to someone like that, regardless of gender?
If they are too stupid to listen, they aren’t worth your time.[/quote]
That’s what I was wondering. Why you choose to engage with someone with “a pattern” of nasty behavior. That you’re shrieking at him to make a point about a book is silly at best. Do you really need to be told that his response was dumb? Okay, it was dumb. But you rode that train with him, and it sounds like you do it with some regularity. So I guess you get what you get.
But I’m not male, and you did specify that it was male…er, perspectives…that you sought, so…good luck![/quote]
hey Emily, women are welcome to comment too.
I’m just trying to work out what can and should not be tolerated from someone who styles themselves a friend.
Sorry if i don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people.
As for the regularity thing, it takes time to get to know someone and their patterns. It was only on reflection that i realised his own patterns.
I’m sure you know some people who drive you crazy. Does it mean you throw them away if they have redeeming virtues?
I don’t know what you do, but most people around here have their boundaries and no-go zones.
I was just curious about what men think about that sentence. I enjoy hearing people’s views![/quote]
'nuffsaid, do you realize that in a short return post to me you’ve employed defensiveness, sarcasm, and a passive-aggressive attack on my character?
Defensive: “I’m just trying to…”
Sarcastic, defensive, passive-aggressive: “Sorry if I don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people.”
Passive-aggressive: “I don’t know what you do, but most people around here have their boundaries and no-go zones.”
You and your friend both need to strengthen boundaries. You need to stop needling people when they don’t say what you want, as you have throughout this thread and presumably did to your friend. Screaming at someone who doesn’t care enough to listen to a book review should be a no-go. His statement is an idiotic defense of indefensible behavior, but so is “Sorry if I don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people” which you used in defense of having yelled at and hung up on your friend and then asked for support regarding his unbearable awfulness online. You have support regarding his behavior, it WAS awful. But you may want to check your own. I say this not as an attack…I don’t know you or care about you enough to aggress in any way…but merely as feedback from a more objective place.
Were it me and I wanted to maintain the friendship, I might apologize for being a jerk myself, promise that I would try not to repeat my own shitty patterns, and then state that however I will not tolerate any further gender attacks.
[/quote]
Well Emily, here is your initial response:
"That you’re shrieking at him to make a point about a book is silly at best. Do you really need to be told that his response was dumb? Okay, it was dumb. But you rode that train with him, and it sounds like you do it with some regularity. So I guess you get what you get. "
You called my behaviour silly, questioned my “need” to be told something and criticise me for getting what I get.
A condescending little bunch of remarks and then you can’t take some sarcasm?
amy my, labelling all my behaviours. And you don’t expect comeback.
"Passive-aggressive eh? " You know why I said “I don’t know what you do?” Because I don’t know you Emily. That’s why. Seems to me you’re being defensive and snarky. Not a polite response to begin with, then a nannytype response with actually some reasonable advice right at the end.
Pity it took so long to get there.
Now, your point about me shrieking at him about a book. Of cours rto an outsider it seems silly.
The whole thing was stupid. When people rant and scream at each other it’s not always about the thing even if it seems trivial. But I did not - or tried not - discuss every little thing about every little nuance of the preceding circumstances because I did not wish to bring his personal circumstances into this discussion.
I made the very specific point that I wanted feedback on a sentence which was seriously misplaced.
After your patronising remarks you finally gave me that feedback. Thank you.
by the way, there’s a useful little phrase that circulates in places like this: “If you can’t take it don’t dish it out.”
Your initial response was neither polite nor helpful and you seem to have taken my remarks in response to your criticism way way too personally.
Do you seriously think I’m going to sit back and say Yes Ma’am in the face of your rudeness??
Forget it.
Maybe you and Cargo guy should have a little confab - you seem well-attuned to each other and almost equally rude in your own ways.[/quote]
Lol. It’s time for some introspection, nuffsaid. You play the victim well but personal responsibility is better.[/quote]
You don’t read very well do you?
[quote]LoRez wrote:
On a personal note, I do feel that to a large degree that the institutions and training of genuine ‘manliness’ have been degraded over the years. Which leaves a bunch of guys that instinctively want to feel like men, but really have no idea how, or have any good models of mature male behavior.[/quote]
This could be true in America, though I don’t know how widespread this is, despite the hot talk there is her about that.
NOt sure about my own country Australia. Every where I look most people seem to be conscious of both their own behaviour and the need for modelling manly and or womanly behaviour accordingly. Still have to allow for personality and of course circumstances.
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Why on earth would you talk to someone like that, regardless of gender?
If they are too stupid to listen, they aren’t worth your time.[/quote]
That’s what I was wondering. Why you choose to engage with someone with “a pattern” of nasty behavior. That you’re shrieking at him to make a point about a book is silly at best. Do you really need to be told that his response was dumb? Okay, it was dumb. But you rode that train with him, and it sounds like you do it with some regularity. So I guess you get what you get.
But I’m not male, and you did specify that it was male…er, perspectives…that you sought, so…good luck![/quote]
hey Emily, women are welcome to comment too.
I’m just trying to work out what can and should not be tolerated from someone who styles themselves a friend.
Sorry if i don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people.
As for the regularity thing, it takes time to get to know someone and their patterns. It was only on reflection that i realised his own patterns.
I’m sure you know some people who drive you crazy. Does it mean you throw them away if they have redeeming virtues?
I don’t know what you do, but most people around here have their boundaries and no-go zones.
I was just curious about what men think about that sentence. I enjoy hearing people’s views![/quote]
'nuffsaid, do you realize that in a short return post to me you’ve employed defensiveness, sarcasm, and a passive-aggressive attack on my character?
Defensive: “I’m just trying to…”
Sarcastic, defensive, passive-aggressive: “Sorry if I don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people.”
Passive-aggressive: “I don’t know what you do, but most people around here have their boundaries and no-go zones.”
You and your friend both need to strengthen boundaries. You need to stop needling people when they don’t say what you want, as you have throughout this thread and presumably did to your friend. Screaming at someone who doesn’t care enough to listen to a book review should be a no-go. His statement is an idiotic defense of indefensible behavior, but so is “Sorry if I don’t regard friendship as disposable as some people” which you used in defense of having yelled at and hung up on your friend and then asked for support regarding his unbearable awfulness online. You have support regarding his behavior, it WAS awful. But you may want to check your own. I say this not as an attack…I don’t know you or care about you enough to aggress in any way…but merely as feedback from a more objective place.
Were it me and I wanted to maintain the friendship, I might apologize for being a jerk myself, promise that I would try not to repeat my own shitty patterns, and then state that however I will not tolerate any further gender attacks.
[/quote]
Well Emily, here is your initial response:
"That you’re shrieking at him to make a point about a book is silly at best. Do you really need to be told that his response was dumb? Okay, it was dumb. But you rode that train with him, and it sounds like you do it with some regularity. So I guess you get what you get. "
You called my behaviour silly, questioned my “need” to be told something and criticise me for getting what I get.
A condescending little bunch of remarks and then you can’t take some sarcasm?
amy my, labelling all my behaviours. And you don’t expect comeback.
"Passive-aggressive eh? " You know why I said “I don’t know what you do?” Because I don’t know you Emily. That’s why. Seems to me you’re being defensive and snarky. Not a polite response to begin with, then a nannytype response with actually some reasonable advice right at the end.
Pity it took so long to get there.
Now, your point about me shrieking at him about a book. Of cours rto an outsider it seems silly.
The whole thing was stupid. When people rant and scream at each other it’s not always about the thing even if it seems trivial. But I did not - or tried not - discuss every little thing about every little nuance of the preceding circumstances because I did not wish to bring his personal circumstances into this discussion.
I made the very specific point that I wanted feedback on a sentence which was seriously misplaced.
After your patronising remarks you finally gave me that feedback. Thank you.
by the way, there’s a useful little phrase that circulates in places like this: “If you can’t take it don’t dish it out.”
Your initial response was neither polite nor helpful and you seem to have taken my remarks in response to your criticism way way too personally.
Do you seriously think I’m going to sit back and say Yes Ma’am in the face of your rudeness??
Forget it.
Maybe you and Cargo guy should have a little confab - you seem well-attuned to each other and almost equally rude in your own ways.[/quote]
Lol. It’s time for some introspection, nuffsaid. You play the victim well but personal responsibility is better.[/quote]
You don’t read very well do you?[/quote]
Exceptionally well and I read your hypocrisy loud and clear.
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
On a personal note, I do feel that to a large degree that the institutions and training of genuine ‘manliness’ have been degraded over the years. Which leaves a bunch of guys that instinctively want to feel like men, but really have no idea how, or have any good models of mature male behavior.[/quote]
This could be true in America, though I don’t know how widespread this is, despite the hot talk there is her about that.
NOt sure about my own country Australia. Every where I look most people seem to be conscious of both their own behaviour and the need for modelling manly and or womanly behaviour accordingly. Still have to allow for personality and of course circumstances. [/quote]
Very much could be totally irrelevant in that case. Just offering that up as a possible option. Regardless, it sounds like he was lashing out for whatever reason, and clearly did it in a manner that got to you.
But for the record, no, I don’t think that was very ‘manly’ behavior on his part.
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Just another possible insight.
Many men have expressed discomfort at living in an increasingly feminized world. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing; just certain aspects of it are.
For example, men are frequently portrayed in the media as being lazy and incompetent, and just generally incapable. It’s even been the subject of many televised jokes where a man tries to be “more manly”, fails at the task, and the whole situation is used to get laughs from the audience/viewers.
While I certainly agree that there needed to be some balance, I completely disagree with some of the tactics of feminism that quite literally mock and ridicule “the enemy”, rather than highlighting and showcasing the strengths of females.
So, let’s just say that that in his home and work environment, he feels he’s lost his sense of control, and his sense of masculinity in the face of a couple generations of semi-aggressive femininity… from his wife, from his children, from draconian HR practices, whatever.
If that’s the case (and I have a feeling it’s the case to at least some degree), he felt a need to assert himself SOMEWHERE, and it just happened to be to you, in that argument/fight/email.
On a personal note, I do feel that to a large degree that the institutions and training of genuine ‘manliness’ have been degraded over the years. Which leaves a bunch of guys that instinctively want to feel like men, but really have no idea how, or have any good models of mature male behavior.[/quote]
Hi LoRez. Yes, these general issues have been much discussed here on TNation. Many of the ridicule stuff by the way on TV is actually in sitcoms which are meant to be funny and REVERSE real life.
But as far as respect goes - well, there are many males/men whatever who say nasty - and I mean NASTY, grotesque stuff about women and then act surprised when women criticise them or don’t want to be around them. The old double standard.
The issues you discuss may well have influenced the guy. I can tell you he would NEVER have accepted me telling him that he should treat me in a womanly way etc though. And again I wouldn’t see that as appropriate.
The argument wasn’t just about the book it has to do with his issues of his hero worship of certain people and his personality in general. All I wanted to do was to clarify I suppose what actual adults thought of this comment.
He did the same procedure with another member of the club long ago. Same thing happened - the girl ended up screaming at him in frustration too because he talked over her, wouldn’t let her correct his wrong impression of what she’d said - and you know what happened? HE got pissed off and upset becaseu she called him “stupid” becaseu he wouldn’t listen!! he even said he wouldn’t come any more to the club because of that!!
It was all about HIS feelings!!
I laid it out for him weeks later, when he asked me: “She shouldn’t have called me stupid, should she?” I explained exactly what he had done in the preceding minutes that had led up to her screaming. I did not blame him, I said “firast she said that then you did this then this happened…” like that. Clinical.
After that, he just said: “I don’t like being lectured.”
No acknowledgement of his behaviour at ALL, no recognition of his role or that he may actually have beahved stupidly.
After the fight I actually felt that maybe we should just continue our dialogues via email, which gives space and time before responses.
See, even after the stoush, I was considering a way we could still be friends but without fighting.
But then I received the email which featured that sentence and I realised it wouldn’t be possible. You see, though he doesn’t like being ridiculed, he gives himself the right to insult, jeer at, mock and patronise the other peron. He only notices insults when he recieves them, not when he gives them.
That sentence was the funniest thing in that email, which may give you an idea of how bad it was. Maybe not to others but it made me really stop and have a good look at things.
I didn’t really deal with the things you brought up but thanks for responding again!
[/quote]
I read your commentary on him in this response and see you, it is a shame you can’t.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Just another possible insight.
Many men have expressed discomfort at living in an increasingly feminized world. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing; just certain aspects of it are.
For example, men are frequently portrayed in the media as being lazy and incompetent, and just generally incapable. It’s even been the subject of many televised jokes where a man tries to be “more manly”, fails at the task, and the whole situation is used to get laughs from the audience/viewers.
While I certainly agree that there needed to be some balance, I completely disagree with some of the tactics of feminism that quite literally mock and ridicule “the enemy”, rather than highlighting and showcasing the strengths of females.
So, let’s just say that that in his home and work environment, he feels he’s lost his sense of control, and his sense of masculinity in the face of a couple generations of semi-aggressive femininity… from his wife, from his children, from draconian HR practices, whatever.
If that’s the case (and I have a feeling it’s the case to at least some degree), he felt a need to assert himself SOMEWHERE, and it just happened to be to you, in that argument/fight/email.
On a personal note, I do feel that to a large degree that the institutions and training of genuine ‘manliness’ have been degraded over the years. Which leaves a bunch of guys that instinctively want to feel like men, but really have no idea how, or have any good models of mature male behavior.[/quote]
Hi LoRez. Yes, these general issues have been much discussed here on TNation. Many of the ridicule stuff by the way on TV is actually in sitcoms which are meant to be funny and REVERSE real life.
But as far as respect goes - well, there are many males/men whatever who say nasty - and I mean NASTY, grotesque stuff about women and then act surprised when women criticise them or don’t want to be around them. The old double standard.
The issues you discuss may well have influenced the guy. I can tell you he would NEVER have accepted me telling him that he should treat me in a womanly way etc though. And again I wouldn’t see that as appropriate.
The argument wasn’t just about the book it has to do with his issues of his hero worship of certain people and his personality in general. All I wanted to do was to clarify I suppose what actual adults thought of this comment.
He did the same procedure with another member of the club long ago. Same thing happened - the girl ended up screaming at him in frustration too because he talked over her, wouldn’t let her correct his wrong impression of what she’d said - and you know what happened? HE got pissed off and upset becaseu she called him “stupid” becaseu he wouldn’t listen!! he even said he wouldn’t come any more to the club because of that!!
It was all about HIS feelings!!
I laid it out for him weeks later, when he asked me: “She shouldn’t have called me stupid, should she?” I explained exactly what he had done in the preceding minutes that had led up to her screaming. I did not blame him, I said “firast she said that then you did this then this happened…” like that. Clinical.
After that, he just said: “I don’t like being lectured.”
No acknowledgement of his behaviour at ALL, no recognition of his role or that he may actually have beahved stupidly.
After the fight I actually felt that maybe we should just continue our dialogues via email, which gives space and time before responses.
See, even after the stoush, I was considering a way we could still be friends but without fighting.
But then I received the email which featured that sentence and I realised it wouldn’t be possible. You see, though he doesn’t like being ridiculed, he gives himself the right to insult, jeer at, mock and patronise the other peron. He only notices insults when he recieves them, not when he gives them.
That sentence was the funniest thing in that email, which may give you an idea of how bad it was. Maybe not to others but it made me really stop and have a good look at things.
I didn’t really deal with the things you brought up but thanks for responding again!
[/quote]
I read your commentary on him in this response and see you, it is a shame you can’t.[/quote]
Of course, because despite me knowing him for four years and you getting a brief glimpse of him here, you see all the depths.
Good to know that a man will always have sympathy regardless of his actions,like bullying, at least as far as you’re concerned.
Much male concern at “feminisation” mean they don’t like it that women won’t do as they’re told just because a man said so. Plenty of real men don’t feel like this but many do.
Perhaps you’re just one of them. Maybe joining a militia will make you feel better. Make sure there are no women there who shoot better than you though!
You’re a sick little girl, nuffsaid. You will be the sad, angry victim until you can come to terms with your bullshit. And I wouldn’t doubt you feel a victim often.
Get some counseling.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
You’re a sick little girl, nuffsaid. You will be the sad, angry victim until you can come to terms with your bullshit. And I wouldn’t doubt you feel a victim often.
Get some counseling.[/quote]
I’m no victim here. i had a concern and i wanted feedback, just like everyone who posts on this website.
How’s your big sad probelm with Dominant Women, Cargo?
You solved that yet?
Honestly I’ve never seen so much whining about nothing. Couldn’t just leave her and find someone you liked, huh?
But no, you had to TALK about your problems, just like I’ve been doing here.
Valid when you do it, bad when I do it.
What a damned sleazy showpony you are.
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
You’re a sick little girl, nuffsaid. You will be the sad, angry victim until you can come to terms with your bullshit. And I wouldn’t doubt you feel a victim often.
Get some counseling.[/quote]
I’m no victim here. i had a concern and i wanted feedback, just like everyone who posts on this website.
How’s your big sad probelm with Dominant Women, Cargo?
You solved that yet?
Honestly I’ve never seen so much whining about nothing. Couldn’t just leave her and find someone you liked, huh?
But no, you had to TALK about your problems, just like I’ve been doing here.
Valid when you do it, bad when I do it.
What a damned sleazy showpony you are.[/quote]
Well it shored up nicely. I fucked her, asked her to explain her dominant viewpoint conclusively and she broke.
You, on the other hand, are simply playing a victim and a fool.
Please continue. I was enjoying the drama.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
You’re a sick little girl, nuffsaid. You will be the sad, angry victim until you can come to terms with your bullshit. And I wouldn’t doubt you feel a victim often.
Get some counseling.[/quote]
I’m no victim here. i had a concern and i wanted feedback, just like everyone who posts on this website.
How’s your big sad probelm with Dominant Women, Cargo?
You solved that yet?
Honestly I’ve never seen so much whining about nothing. Couldn’t just leave her and find someone you liked, huh?
But no, you had to TALK about your problems, just like I’ve been doing here.
Valid when you do it, bad when I do it.
What a damned sleazy showpony you are.[/quote]
Well it shored up nicely. I fucked her, asked her to explain her dominant viewpoint conclusively and she broke.
You, on the other hand, are simply playing a victim and a fool.[/quote]
Your interpretations are foolish, malicious and useless.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Please continue. I was enjoying the drama.[/quote]
I’ll get the popcorn! Do you have some chips and dip?
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