Perfect Program

Note: I want your opinion on this. Whether you agree, disagree, or want to point out a spelling error I want to see what you guys have to say about this. It is made on observations which led to conclusions.

   We all know that training density is a great form of progression and a good way to hypertrophy. Density is referring to doing the same amount of work but performing it in a shorter time span(usually done by shortening rest periods). I'm going to use the age old sprinter vs long distance runner example. For those of you who don't know what it is I will explain it. For those of you who do you can skip the next paragraph

 Compare the body of a long distance runner to a sprinter. The long distance runner is usually skinny and sometimes even look like they are starved. In contrast, the sprinter is usually a built guy with single digit body fat. Why is this? The marathon runner runs many miles while the sprinter only goes 100 meters. The long distance runner clearly does more work, but the sprinter does much more work over a short amount of time which takes a lot more power in order to do this. Power= Work/Time. The result is the body you see. So this a good amount of evidence toward the theory that the density method of training is good.

 Intensity is also a great way of progression. Using a high amount of intensity(% of 1RM) gets a muscle stronger and in a weak correlation(because sometimes a stronger muscle isn't ALWAYS bigger, but a bigger muscle has more fiber to fire...)results in a bigger muscle. Let me go back to the sprinter/long-distance runner analogy. The sprinter trains with a much higher level of intensity than the runner. While the runner paces himself throughout the marathon, the sprinter gets one all out attempt through 100 meters. He has to beat the guys next to him so puts everything he has into the run, usually lasting like 11 seconds or less. In this way, we could say that high levels of intensity do help with muscle hypertrophy and "denseness" of the muscle.

 Now drawing from this, it would be logical to say that the best workout program, is one that combines high levels of intensity with increased density in order to maximize gains in mass and strength. Now what exercise style fits this description? Rest-Pause Training.

On paper, Rest-Pause training would seem like the very best of both worlds and a great way to train. It uses high levels of intensity (90% of 1RM and up) while keeping the rest short (just ten seconds in between reps). This is much different than classic singles where there are several minutes in between in order to allow CNS recovery. The way i read Mentzer used it and i am currently doing is where he does four reps= 1 set. First two reps are done with same weight, then you drop the weight 20% or so and do the last two. I've tried this and you can barely get out that last rep.

Now I know your rebuttals. “But training at that intensity could lead to injuries and burning out of the CNS. And we all know that volume works because we all do it.”

But injury and burnout can be prevented easily. If you are new to working out then you should not train at this level of intensity often. Your form might deteriorate and lead to cheating which can lead to injuries. But if you have been going along for a while you should have pretty good form so just make sure to keep it and injuries will be kept down. Burnout can be prevented with proper diet, recovery and of course a back off week every 3-4 weeks. And is volume really what works or density? I lets say you and another person get to the gym and start working out at the same time. He is doing singles and doubles while you are doing high volume work and you both finish at the same time, then you will have probably done better for hypertrophy than he has. You had much more density because he was taking the classic 2 minute rest between maxes and in actuality probably used less power than you did. Power= Work/Time. 

Now don’t get me wrong people, I am not ragging on high volume training or anything like that. I even love GVT and the one time I tried it I liked the gains. I have just made observations and reached a conclusion that seems probable. I just want your two cents in. It does seem though that, on paper, rest-pause training is pretty hard to beat. Well i was thinking about this post the entire day so I’m glad to get it off my chest. Your thoughts, please.

Since you liked my answer in another thread, here’s a similiar one:

There is no perfect program. Now go lift something heavy and don’t sweat the details so much.

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Since you liked my answer in another thread, here’s a similiar one:

There is no perfect program. Now go lift something heavy and don’t sweat the details so much.[/quote]

I know I’m not over-analyzing, i can’t help it if i like to ask questions that I think will spark up a good discussion…

You asked for opinions… (slightly off topic? or not?)

My favorite bit of advice I ever got was from a world class masters powerlifter who used to be on my team… Great guy, funny as shit, and stronger than, well, most people his age and weight in the world.

Anyway, I got to train with this guy on a regular basis for a year. And, I’ll tell you, I had thoughts and idea’s and questions… “why not this?” “how many of this?” “why not this many?” “how long?”

Alas, his advice - “Work. Come to the gym, and work.”

I worked as a personal trainer at that gym during that time, and then I started to notice all of the top powerlifters/bodybuilders in our gym only had that one thing in common… They worked. Everything else was different: routines, splits, reps, intensity, etc. They all were successful, and they all trained differently.

The reason why I’m going on and on is that this changed my whole mentality towards lifting. Where I would deliberate endlessly and almost drive myself crazy, and almost want to quit because I couldn’t find the answer, I suddenly was able to relax and just repeat my new mantra: Just show up, and work.

Of course my routines are infinately more complicated than just showing up, however I don’t stress myself too much, other than to measure myself with the question, “Did I work hard?”.

I guess this brings us to my personal training philosophy, which is WAY friggin’ deeper than I was intending to get, but, what the hell.

  1. show up and work.
  2. everything works, for 6 weeks.
  3. figure out what works for YOU.

All of the above was written with the hope of further explaining these two additions to your discussion:

  1. Dude, you ARE thinking too damn hard.
  2. There is no such thing as a perfect training method.

Just about anything works when you start.

Nothing works as well for everybody all the time.

Just about everything works well for most people some of the time.

Everybody has an individual physiological/psychological makeup that responds better to some methods than others for life.

There are as many gradations in the previous statements as there are individuals who will ever be born.

The person who learns to listen to and interpret the messages their body is sending them and adjust accordingly will have the most success.

The person who doesn’t can read the entire library of congress without optimal progress.

Don’t worry, I’m not getting paralysis of analysis guys. And it is not like i weight my training options on whether or not you guys like it or not. I’m doing rest-pause no matter what the responses are because i just like it.

I probably shouldn’t have named it perfect program because that is the first thing people zoom in on and they are ready to point out that there is of course no perfect one. I should’ve put something like “Rest Pause=Hard to beat” or something like that.

I was just daydreaming during one of my professor’s lectures and I came to training. For no reason i started wondering what components would make up a great program. I then thought well of course progression. Then i thought about which forms of progression i thought were best(intensity, and density) and i was just thinking of a way i could incorporate these two when i suddenly realized that there was already something that had done this. Rest Pause Training.

So these ideas just kept bouncing around in my head like a catchy song until i had to let it out. Don’t think that I am some lost soul who has read too much to put into use at one time and i am lost. I’m not.
You gotta admit though, weird timing…
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1443958

Weird timing indeed…

[quote]mithious wrote:
Weird timing indeed…[/quote]

What if you literally change the parameters of the workout, for every workout? I’m not saying that you change the exercises that you do on any given day, but change the sets/reps every time.

Say you do:

DB Bench
Weighted Pull Ups
Weighted Dips
Lunges
Biceps

Let’s assume you do this workout every Monday. Do it 5x5 one Monday, 10x3 the next, 4x8, 3x12…

Just do that for each different day, by changing the sets/reps (and obviously the weight) every week.

[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
<<< I’m not saying that you change the exercises that you do on any given day, >>>[/quote]

What if somebody did? I’m not saying anybody should or shouldn’t, but what if? There’s a difference between proceeding blindly in a disorganized manner and adjusting according to today’s needs.

The way you ask this question is almost indicative of a fear of free thought. Don’t take that as an insult. It just seems like a lotta guys are almost apologetic if they find themselves thinking independently.

In the past I’ve gotten so mixed up with the science of training, I actually was getting depressed. I was always wondering if I should’ve done this or that. THEN, I did an old program I used when I was younger. It’s called Super Squats by Randall Strossen.

Simple, easy and quite effective. It’s a full body workout but based on one INTENSE set of 20 reps squat. All you do is perform a 10 rep squat max, and the next workout force yourself to do 20.

Be positive, eat your protein, rest. It’s about the work you put into anything that is going to give you the best results in life. Period. My whole body grew on this workout.

I personally got 365 for 23 reps, 405 for 16. Yes, I did vomit half way through but I keep going.

[quote]deckster1972 wrote:
In the past I’ve gotten so mixed up with the science of training, I actually was getting depressed. I was always wondering if I should’ve done this or that. THEN, I did an old program I used when I was younger. It’s called Super Squats by Randall Strossen.

Simple, easy and quite effective. It’s a full body workout but based on one INTENSE set of 20 reps squat. All you do is perform a 10 rep squat max, and the next workout force yourself to do 20.

Be positive, eat your protein, rest. It’s about the work you put into anything that is going to give you the best results in life. Period. My whole body grew on this workout.

I personally got 365 for 23 reps, 405 for 16. Yes, I did vomit half way through but I keep going.[/quote]

…like if no one has ever heard of 20 rep squats…god people just let this thread die and stop giving me advice cuz you think that I have an overflow of information. I just started thinking cuz i like to think and I just basically thought out loud onto the forum.

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
…like if no one has ever heard of 20 rep squats…god people just let this thread die and stop giving me advice cuz you think that I have an overflow of information. I just started thinking cuz i like to think and I just basically thought out loud onto the forum.[/quote]

Aw, cmon, you’re gonna give up that easily? Folks are just doin the same.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
…like if no one has ever heard of 20 rep squats…god people just let this thread die and stop giving me advice cuz you think that I have an overflow of information. I just started thinking cuz i like to think and I just basically thought out loud onto the forum.

Aw, cmon, you’re gonna give up that easily? Folks are just doin the same.[/quote]

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