[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
The study quite clearly does not indicate that the suppression continues beneath the 50mg per week mark, and I don’t care what study anthony want to produce that studied the use of nandrolone decanoate, as this drug does not apply to the argument.
The study I cited was actually one on testosterone where 100mgs/week produced 100% inhibition. So while you are tapering, you aren’t recovering at all.
But attacking my credentials is an interesting strategy. I don’t think it’s really appropriate, however.
The PCT protocol you outlined as being mine wasn’t even close, and I feel that you were simply caught in a lie (“I tried your protocol and it sucks”), now you’re backpedaling, and criticizing the studies I posted, which support and verify my claims that tapering us useless.
Forget the fact that basically every published author in the field is in agreement with the fact that tapering off AAS is useless, you disagree, so thats good enough for…
Nobody.
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I don’t lie, eveyone knows that. I have been on this forum much longer than yourself, and the fact of the matter is when I see B.s.I call it. And yes I didn’t do your exact protocol down to a point, however close enough, to know I never want to do hcg again.
As I said, Cy Willson is the Author who I took the idea from. Are you going to attack him as well? (he by the way actually has credentials)
And as for ‘published’ authors as I said before, there is no governing body, no peer review in your world of underground steroid publications, You can write whatever b.s. you like, or interpret studies (not really intentioned for steroid use by bodybuilders) whichever way you like, and publish a book. That doesn’t make you right, any more than that guy on Oprah who made up a memoir.
And as for testosterone being infinitely suppressive, this is the last time I am going to go through this:
exogenously injected testosterone is indistinguishable to the body from it’s own, as it is the exact same molecule.
As levels of exogenous testosterone fall below what the body normally needs, the body [will via the negative feed-back loop (basic physiology -hello!)] will sence this, and begin producing testosterone to pick up the slack.
As exogenous levels fall further, endogenous levels will continue to rise to a point where exogenous levels fall off altogether, and the hpta takes over as the only source for testoterone again.
Since the tapering process is slow, the body has plenty of time to get the testes in good working order, so no need for the hcg use that dominates the rationale for administering hcg in the first place.
Its simple and it works.
The key is ensuring that all other steroids have long left the body before begining the hrt taper, to ensure there isn’t any non-dht converting steroids to mess with libido, or progesterone converting steroids e.t.c Basically, in order to be successfull you need to clean out of all non-testosterone steroids from your body, before you can begin the hrt taper.
It works, I don’t want your money, and I don’t need any status, or attention, In fact my reputation has always been good, so I have no motivation for these arguments, other than I am trying to share with other bros on here, a better and more healthier approach.
but to continue on with this subject now, I would just be repeating myself, So I wil agree to disagree, as it is obvious by now we both are not going to conceed anything.