Paul Ryan-Romney VP

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:<<< There are idiots and government moochers at both ends of the Political Spectrum.
Mufasa [/quote]I promise you people who are paid other people’s money through wealth redistribution vote about 95% donkey.
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Do you mean farmers , military and oil companies , other countries ,oil companies ,banks ?
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No he means the lazy bastards that DO NOTHING and get a government check.[/quote]

oh you mean farmers , other countries ,oil companies and banks ? and probably the list is so long I would be unable to type it[/quote]

No, I mean people who sit on their porch and wait for the welfare check to arrive. The very group that helped put Obama in office and will be lined up to vote for him…probably twice in some states.

(I know you’re thick Pitt but farmers, bankers and oil company employees actually work.) [/quote]

Yeah I am thick so tell me what should we do with all these unemployed people ?
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NOT reward them to stay home and collect free money!

Psychology 101, any behavior that is rewarded is usually repeated.

I don’t blame the people nearly as much as I blame the government and especially Obama for increasing dependency on government.[/quote]

OK so now we 12,000,000 people with no income what do we do now,will they create any problems because they can not eat or support their families ? Who pays for the problems that arise ?
Just curious don’t you think it smarter to (FIRST) take away the money we give to other people that do not need the money ?
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  1. This generational welfare class was mostly created during LBJ’s great war on poverty back in 1964. Today we have many more people in poverty because of this one man. Generations from now they will look back and see that Obama was the LBJ of his time.

  2. Generations of human beings have grown up knowing only that they are able to live because government hands them a check. This is a mind-set that must end immediately if we even have a slight chance of digging out of this mess.

  3. Remove welfare forever! Make every healthy adult who is now receiving a check from the government to show up at a government building and perform menial labor.

  4. The work equals reward scenario is now restored. And none of this will be done under Obama–NONE OF IT![/quote]

I understand there are generational issues with welfare but RIGHT NOW we are just recovering from a recession and now because we have slashed social programs we have 12 million hungry and homeless people (NOT INCLUDING THEIR FAMILIES) what are we going to do with them ? What will we do if they become insurgent ?

I know I look at things in a thicker way than you , I let other factors interfere with a narrow point of view .

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]stefan128 wrote:
I’m not a big fan of politics for the mere fact that each party just degrades the other one constantly. Anyways, my parents are both Republicans and will be voting for Romney. My mom cannot stand Obama and would disown me if I voted for him, which I am not. I am not a big fan of Obama just because over and over I hear of how he has not done much for the economy. To the point, by just reading and hearing things, I am getting the idea that if Obama gets reelected that the country is literally fucked. The idea that the US will be a shitty place to live and that so on. I will be voting for Romney, but I feel like Obama is going to win due to all the idiots who vote for him just to do it.(I once heard a girl from my school say I cannot wait to vote for Obama, he is so nice.)[/quote]

He depends on these empty headed imbeciles and those who are dependent on a government hand out to win. And of course I don’t want to leave out the unions. He has rewarded them handsomely for his 08’ win and they’ll be there again this year. [/quote]

Zeb;

I’m sure the Romney will have just as many empty headed imbeciles who are dependent on government hand outs AND Union Members voting for him.

Mufasa[/quote]

You’re sure of that huh? Is that because of my statement? Because you are dead wrong. The democratic party of 2012 is made up of those exact people and a few other groups. Do you honestly think that the 100 million people who collect some form of aid from the government want Obama replaced? Do you honestly think that the majority of union members want Obama replaced?

Mufasa, come on you know better.[/quote]

For the record, I’m a union member and I, along with all of the other union members I stay in touch with, HATE Obama and cant wait to vote him out of office. Despite what the union leadership mails us, we are not blind nor stupid. There was unmitigated prosperity during the Bush years - all the overtime you could work, then when Obama got elected we had 3000 members sitting on the bench? Union MEMBERS aren’t blind, ZEB. The leadership might be traditionally democratic, but that doesn’t mean that the WORKERS don’t know that under a republican we are far more likely to have that single commodity that is most precious to us: A JOB.

(for clarification, I am not currently working in the union, although I am still a dues paying member - it’s only $25 a month. I’m working in the oilfield. But given the years I spent working union, I have pension and annuity that I’m entitled to even if I never work a union job again, so I continue to pay my dues)[/quote]

Glad to see that you and others you know think for yourselves. But when I said “unions” I of course meant the majority. Naturally not every card carrying union member is going to vote for Obama. But if you take the teachers union for example I would bet that somewhere over 75% of those teachers will be voting Obama. In fact, if I have to I think I can dig up stats from the 08’ election and other previous Presidential elections to prove my point. Unions have been a traditional base of support for the democratic party. Certainly some unions are more democratic, like public service unions for example.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. Remove welfare forever! Make every healthy adult who is now receiving a check from the government to show up at a government building and perform menial labor.[/quote]

This is my favorite one , now if Obama were to suggest that it would be pure and simply the definition of communism . I can hear it now . I will tell you I totally agree with this idea

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. Remove welfare forever! Make every healthy adult who is now receiving a check from the government to show up at a government building and perform menial labor.[/quote]

This is my favorite one , now if Obama were to suggest that it would be pure and simply the definition of communism . I can hear it now . I will tell you I totally agree with this idea

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It’s certainly not communism and if Obama moved in this direction I would applaud him. But of course he has just loosened the qualifications for being able to receive welfare. So he is moving in the opposite direction trying to unwind what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich did with “workfare.”

Everyone needs to put politics and party behind them and just vote for someone who can make this economy work. Obama has tried for four years and failed miserably. If he had succeeded I would be supporting him. We are in trouble Pitt…you do know that right?

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Serious question.

Palin sure has been quiet.

Anyone know what she is doing now?

Mufasa[/quote]

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
The way I see it, Ryan has balls - something Romney is lacking. He’s not afraid to say what’s on his mind. He says what he means and means what he says. He doesn’t flip-flop like Romney.

CS[/quote]

I get what you’re saying, CS…

The problem is that Romney is at the top of the Ticket.

One point; during an election, the VP choice is often the “attack Dog”. I think that Ryan will HAVE to be (along with SuperPACS) because Romney just doesn’t seem to “comfortable?” in that role.

Mufasa[/quote]

I agree. Romney (for some reason) wants to stay above the fray. I think Ryan will make a good attack dog, although I question that strategy in general.[/quote]

Hey AC, I remember reading about how you were looking for a career change after the real estate regulations changes.

I have a lot of respect for how you were willing to relocate and find work in a different field. I wish more people were willing to do what it takes to make themselves marketable and find work.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. Remove welfare forever! Make every healthy adult who is now receiving a check from the government to show up at a government building and perform menial labor.[/quote]

This is my favorite one , now if Obama were to suggest that it would be pure and simply the definition of communism . I can hear it now . I will tell you I totally agree with this idea

[/quote]

It’s certainly not communism and if Obama moved in this direction I would applaud him. But of course he has just loosened the qualifications for being able to receive welfare. So he is moving in the opposite direction trying to unwind what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich did with “workfare.”

Everyone needs to put politics and party behind them and just vote for someone who can make this economy work. Obama has tried for four years and failed miserably. If he had succeeded I would be supporting him. We are in trouble Pitt…you do know that right?[/quote]

I agree we are in trouble . If you think national debt is the problem as I do . We need to look at where we get our money and where we spend our money . Not just a narrow focus of the lazy. We need to look at greed also . We need to look at waste also . We need to start with programs that create us more problems . I agree welfare could be done MUCH better . I buy that totally. But we are not going to fix our problem by attacking the dredges of our society or the old.We have to go broader and we at least short term need more money.

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[quote]Bellmar wrote:
I wish more people were willing to do what it takes to make themselves marketable and find work.
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People don’t have to do that anymore. All they have to do is sign up for unemployment and one or more of the hundreds of government give-a-way programs.

Simple.

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Romney made a good choice, someone with a good understanding of economics like himself which is what we need. If we don’t get Romney we are totally fucked. Because Obama is out of ideas and if you follow the news out of China the days of perpetual stimulus are over.

Check this article out. The Chinese bubble is bursting and the only idea they have is massive stimulus, which means they aren’t going to have the money to lend us and dumping manufactured goods on the US and EU. We need a new paradigm vis a vis China and Obama by his own admission is not up to the job.

?Severe deflation pressures are rippling across the country,? said Alistair Thornton and Xianfeng Ren from IHS Global Insight. ?Deflation, not inflation, is the greatest short-term threat to the Chinese economy.?

?The hard landing has happened,? said Charles Dumas from Lombard Street Research. ?We don?t believe official data. We think GDP slowed to a 1pc rate in the second quarter.?

A blizzard of weak data has caught policy-makers off guard, though shares rallied in Shanghai on hopes for monetary loosening from China?s central bank after consumer price inflation (CPI) fell to 1.8pc.

New property starts fell 27pc in July. Industrial output growth fell to 9.2pc for a year ago but has been flat over recent months.

?This was the moment when stimulus was supposed to bite. It didn?t,? said Global Insight. Critics say Beijing let the property boom go too far and then hit the brakes too hard last year. Monetary tightening led to a contraction in real M1 money. The delayed effects kicked in this year just as Europe fell back into recession and the US slowed abruptly.
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The Politburo has thrown all engines into reverse throttle. The reserve asset requirement for banks has been cut and regions have been given the green light for another blitz of eye-watering stimulus financed by credit from state banks. Wei Yao from Societe Generale said: ?The bottoming-out process is taking even longer than we anticipated. The easing policies announced so far have not fully passed through to the real economy.

Expert opinion is split on the severity of the threat. Nomura said the latest spending drive will filter through just in time for the Communist Party hand-over later this year, carrying the economy into mid-2013.

Global Insight said measures in the pipeline are not enough. ?The government might not want to pile on debt and revert to grand state-led stimulus but it increasingly appears that there are few other choices,? it said.

Premier Wen Jiabao is loathe to turn the credit spigot on again. He was warned repeatedly that the economy is badly out of kilter and needs to wean itself off exports and investment, a world record 49pc of GDP.

Yet reformers are locked in a struggle with military hawks and Mao revivalists linked to Chonqing chief Bo Xilai. They know that China?s post-Lehman credit spree in 2008 went too far but keeping growth alive has become a political imperative. Chinese exporters are now in serious difficulty. Caixin magazine reports that China?s entire solar industry is ?on the verge of bankruptcy? as it struggles with debts built up during its world conquest over the past four years.

Morgan Stanley said Chinese exporters face a ?margin call?. Profits have been squeezed 5pc a year since 2004 as wages rise faster than productivity, and the renminbi strengthens against the euro and the dollar.

China Securities Journal confirmed this week that Beijing is steering the currency lower to cushion the shock. ?The renminbi has entered a period of depreciation,? it said, adding that this could cause short-term capital outflows ? running at $110bn in the second quarter ? but the overall effect will be ?beneficial, by enhancing exports.?

The policy risks a serious confrontation with Washington. ?If they do the same old thing and slam down a few more roads to the Gobi desert they will end up with stagflation. They need Thatcherism to get out of this,? said Mr Dumas.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. Remove welfare forever! Make every healthy adult who is now receiving a check from the government to show up at a government building and perform menial labor.[/quote]

This is my favorite one , now if Obama were to suggest that it would be pure and simply the definition of communism . I can hear it now . I will tell you I totally agree with this idea

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Not really communism. It is just taking them off of the ‘free stuff’ program and putting them on the ‘government employee’ program. They would still be able to spend the money as they please and would still have private goods to spend it on.

Pay them an hourly wage to work at soup kitchens, clean up litter. Shit I would rather see people get paid by our government to go to school and get an education (add value to themselves) then get paid to sit around doing whatever they please. Like was said, workfare, not wellfare.

Either way, the changes need to be made to make people more self sufficient rather than more reliant on our dollars.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
For the record, I’m a union member and I, along with all of the other union members I stay in touch with, HATE Obama and cant wait to vote him out of office. Despite what the union leadership mails us, we are not blind nor stupid. There was unmitigated prosperity during the Bush years - all the overtime you could work, then when Obama got elected we had 3000 members sitting on the bench? Union MEMBERS aren’t blind, ZEB. The leadership might be traditionally democratic, but that doesn’t mean that the WORKERS don’t know that under a republican we are far more likely to have that single commodity that is most precious to us: A JOB.

(for clarification, I am not currently working in the union, although I am still a dues paying member - it’s only $25 a month. I’m working in the oilfield. But given the years I spent working union, I have pension and annuity that I’m entitled to even if I never work a union job again, so I continue to pay my dues)[/quote]

I think Unions did a lot of good for this country when they were born and most people won’t argue that paying your employees more and giving them certain benefits actually creates a more robust business and economy than treating them like slaves.

China will be figuring this out soon, and have already started to. The business opportunities all this outsourcing the American people think is evil, will soon lead to the liberation and enrichment of massive portions of the world’s people. But you know, the billions of people that are going to benefit are afterthoughts because Bain sent jobs overseas, and now so-and-so can’t buy an iPhone.

Anyway, I’m getting off track. Unions have become just as corrupt as all these mega corporations everyone wants to hate on, and in some ways have prevented progress.

I’m all fucked up on viocden right now, sorry if my posts make no sense. Had minor, minor surgery on Friday.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. Remove welfare forever! Make every healthy adult who is now receiving a check from the government to show up at a government building and perform menial labor.[/quote]

This is my favorite one , now if Obama were to suggest that it would be pure and simply the definition of communism . I can hear it now . I will tell you I totally agree with this idea

[/quote]

Not really communism. It is just taking them off of the ‘free stuff’ program and putting them on the ‘government employee’ program. They would still be able to spend the money as they please and would still have private goods to spend it on.

Pay them an hourly wage to work at soup kitchens, clean up litter. Shit I would rather see people get paid by our government to go to school and get an education (add value to themselves) then get paid to sit around doing whatever they please. Like was said, workfare, not wellfare.

Either way, the changes need to be made to make people more self sufficient rather than more reliant on our dollars.[/quote]

I can tell you it would not matter , if Obama suggested such a program , it would be said that he is starting an communist program right here in America.I personally like it and I would go as far that some people on welfare would like it also . My biggest complaint against welfare is that people on welfare live better than the working poor and that needs to change

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Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn't Reduce Spending - YouTube!
Anybody remember this? I can hear folks already. THIS is why he’s a horrible choice. He gives detailed documented reasons why he’s right. And pitifully? They may be correct. The look on Obama’s face is priceless though LOL!!

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
For the record, I’m a union member and I, along with all of the other union members I stay in touch with, HATE Obama and cant wait to vote him out of office. Despite what the union leadership mails us, we are not blind nor stupid. There was unmitigated prosperity during the Bush years - all the overtime you could work, then when Obama got elected we had 3000 members sitting on the bench? Union MEMBERS aren’t blind, ZEB. The leadership might be traditionally democratic, but that doesn’t mean that the WORKERS don’t know that under a republican we are far more likely to have that single commodity that is most precious to us: A JOB.

(for clarification, I am not currently working in the union, although I am still a dues paying member - it’s only $25 a month. I’m working in the oilfield. But given the years I spent working union, I have pension and annuity that I’m entitled to even if I never work a union job again, so I continue to pay my dues)[/quote]

I think Unions did a lot of good for this country when they were born and most people won’t argue that paying your employees more and giving them certain benefits actually creates a more robust business and economy than treating them like slaves.

China will be figuring this out soon, and have already started to. The business opportunities all this outsourcing the American people think is evil, will soon lead to the liberation and enrichment of massive portions of the world’s people. But you know, the billions of people that are going to benefit are afterthoughts because Bain sent jobs overseas, and now so-and-so can’t buy an iPhone.

Anyway, I’m getting off track. Unions have become just as corrupt as all these mega corporations everyone wants to hate on, and in some ways have prevented progress.

I’m all fucked up on viocden right now, sorry if my posts make no sense. Had minor, minor surgery on Friday.[/quote]

Unions have always been corrupt , they were run by the Mafia for years . That is why they were so effective .

Enjoy that buzzzzz:)

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn't Reduce Spending - YouTube!
Anybody remember this? I can hear folks already. THIS is why he’s a horrible choice. He gives detailed documented reasons why he’s right. And pitifully? They may be correct. The look on Obama’s face is priceless though LOL!![/quote]

It is a clear message that Ryan would have been a better choice than Romney. Shit I might have voted for him

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn't Reduce Spending - YouTube!
Anybody remember this? I can hear folks already. THIS is why he’s a horrible choice. He gives detailed documented reasons why he’s right. And pitifully? They may be correct. The look on Obama’s face is priceless though LOL!![/quote]

It is a clear message that Ryan would have been a better choice than Romney. Shit I might have voted for him
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You wouldn’t vote for anyone who doesn’t have a donkey stamped on his ass.

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Ryan will manhandle Biden in a debate. Not that it will matter, but he will.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Ryan will manhandle Biden in a debate. Not that it will matter, but he will.[/quote]

Why because he has a mastery of the facts? Like Walter Mondale did vs Ronald Reagan?

I could give you other examples, winning a televised debate has less to do with facts and figures and more to do with personality. And from what I can tell of Ryan he would need a personality transplant before he would ever win a televised debate…I am very sorry to say.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn't Reduce Spending - YouTube!
Anybody remember this? I can hear folks already. THIS is why he’s a horrible choice. He gives detailed documented reasons why he’s right. And pitifully? They may be correct. The look on Obama’s face is priceless though LOL!![/quote]

It is a clear message that Ryan would have been a better choice than Romney. Shit I might have voted for him
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You wouldn’t vote for anyone who doesn’t have a donkey stamped on his ass.[/quote]

I won’t in this election

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Ryan will manhandle Biden in a debate. Not that it will matter, but he will.[/quote]

Why because he has a mastery of the facts? Like Walter Mondale did vs Ronald Reagan?

I could give you other examples, winning a televised debate has less to do with facts and figures and more to do with personality. And from what I can tell of Ryan he would need a personality transplant before he would ever win a televised debate…I am very sorry to say.[/quote]Are you suggesting that Joe Biden has substantially more likable personality than Paul Ryan. Maybe in that Biden is one man clown act. He’s not stupid, but he isn’t Mr. personality either. I find Ryan’s slightly cocky and very confident and assertive manner to be a positive. Of course victory in a debate is also in the eye of the beholder. I’m quite confident that Keyes pummeled Obama in the debates for Obama’s then senate seat. However Keyes is still the only candidate I’ve seen in modern times who actually understands what’s goin on so it was no wonder that the giant litter of nursing public parasites saw the liberation Marxist heretic Obama as the winner.