[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The more I see of Ryan the more I see the Republicans have chosen the wrong Presidential candidate , Ryan for Pres.[/quote]
Actually, I kinda agree with this.
EDIT: Nevermind actually, I just read he is a big Ayn Rand fan, which kind of makes him an idiot in my book. I really don’t get the fascination with her… I mean, if you were in 3rd grade and never heard of some ideas, that would be fine, but her shit is so elementary and stupid. I don’t get the love, I really don’t.
I guess if you have never been exposed to things like ideas, independent thought, ethics or anything like that then ok, but if you have even a high school diploma you could out wit her with a spoon of yogurt.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One of the many dangers of going with a “big idea” man like Paul Ryan. In a speech in Iowa yesterday Ryan was interrupted several times by people shouting “are you going to cut my medicare.” Not knowing how to handle such interruptions Ryan said “you people must not be from Iowa, Iowans are respectful…gu hu gu hu…”
They should gear up for more such plants in the crowds as the possibility of their campaign getting sidetracked BECAUSE of the Ryan budget increases by the second. >>>[/quote]I revised that for ya.
[quote]ZEB wrote:<<< I asked these questions regarding the Ryan pick earlier but had no takers:
How does Ryan help win the two most important must have states for the republicans, Florida and Ohio?
How does Ryan bring two very important demographic groups that Romney must have to win, independents and women?
How do the republicans prevent the democrats from scaring the crap out of old people (something they love to do and are really good at) regarding the Ryan budget?
Tell me what new demographic groups does Ryan bring to the campaign that Romney didn’t already have?
Yes, we all love Ryan “there’s a guy who wants to help America, he’s the real deal…bla bla bla.”
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y? [/quote]And I’ll ask again. Forgetting about Ryan for a second. If ANY candidate who is honest, the “the real deal”, has real solutions and is willing to ask and answer the tough questions CANNOT be elected in this country then WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHO IS!?!?!?!? Let’s pull the plug and lay this morally brain dead languishing nation to rest already. Give her what she wants and let her kill herself with it. It would be quicker and more merciful than watching her wince in pain for another generation.
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I never said that anyone with real solutions cannot be elected…Sheesh!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One of the many dangers of going with a “big idea” man like Paul Ryan. In a speech in Iowa yesterday Ryan was interrupted several times by people shouting “are you going to cut my medicare.” Not knowing how to handle such interruptions Ryan said “you people must not be from Iowa, Iowans are respectful…gu hu gu hu…”
They should gear up for more such questions as the possibility of their campaign getting sidetracked BECAUSE of the Ryan budget increases by the second.
I asked these questions regarding the Ryan pick earlier but had no takers:
How does Ryan help win the two most important must have states for the republicans, Florida and Ohio?
How does Ryan bring two very important demographic groups that Romney must have to win, independents and women?
How do the republicans prevent the democrats from scaring the crap out of old people (something they love to do and are really good at) regarding the Ryan budget?
Tell me what new demographic groups does Ryan bring to the campaign that Romney didn’t already have?
Yes, we all love Ryan “there’s a guy who wants to help America, he’s the real deal…bla bla bla.”
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y?
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This, from hecklers? How the hell did you ever support Romney?
Game over folks, hecklers!
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Sorry the point slipped right over your head Sloth. Here you go just for you:
Why pick someone that is controversial and who cannot deliver key demographic groups and must have states?
Sorry the point slipped right over your head Sloth. Here you go just for you:
Why pick someone that is controversial and who cannot deliver key demographic groups and must have states?
There you go![/quote]
Right. So how in the hell did you back Romney?[/quote]
Easy question.
We had a choice between a bunch of candidates who could NEVER win and one that could possible win. That one is Mitt Romney —I know you don’t like him so he can’t win.
Sorry the point slipped right over your head Sloth. Here you go just for you:
Why pick someone that is controversial and who cannot deliver key demographic groups and must have states?
There you go![/quote]
Right. So how in the hell did you back Romney?[/quote]
Easy question.
We had a choice between a bunch of candidates who could NEVER win and one that could possible win. That one is Mitt Romney —I know you don’t like him so he can’t win.
Funny stuff![/quote]
Can win? Then why are you here acting as if he needed Jesus himself as a running mate to have a hope against Obama? When the VP is the better candidate than the nominee, and the VP still isn’t good enough, then your nominee is terrible. Zeb, it just seems like you noticed Romney was tanking even prior to the VP pick, and now you need to retroactively make Ryan the cause.
And you think Ryan would do something like that? That’s thing about him, he’s actually damn good speaking off the cuff about the important stuff. When he does interviews he’s the happy economics warrior. He stays sunny while countering interviewers and/or fellow quests. The guy is sharp on his feet, with facts and figures at his command. Remember Bowles from the deficit commission?
“Have any of you met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing, uh. I always thought that I was OK with arithmetic, but this guy can run circles around me. And, he is honest. He is straightforward. He is sincere.”
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I think this is highly noteworthy - Bowles is a Democrat. Bowles isn’t in complete agreement with Ryan on fiscal issues, but Ryna is respected not only for his knowledge, but his ability to communicate and be cheery and affable with opponents.
Not only will Ryan be a contrast in numbers, policy, etc. - his pleasant demeanor will be a perfect contrast to the divisize sleaze campaign being run by the Obama campaign and its surrogates.
And you think Ryan would do something like that? That’s thing about him, he’s actually damn good speaking off the cuff about the important stuff. When he does interviews he’s the happy economics warrior. He stays sunny while countering interviewers and/or fellow quests. The guy is sharp on his feet, with facts and figures at his command. Remember Bowles from the deficit commission?
“Have any of you met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing, uh. I always thought that I was OK with arithmetic, but this guy can run circles around me. And, he is honest. He is straightforward. He is sincere.”
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I think this is highly noteworthy - Bowles is a Democrat. Bowles isn’t in complete agreement with Ryan on fiscal issues, but Ryna is respected not only for his knowledge, but his ability to communicate and be cheery and affable with opponents.
Not only will Ryan be a contrast in numbers, policy, etc. - his pleasant demeanor will be a perfect contrast to the divisize sleaze campaign being run by the Obama campaign and its surrogates.[/quote]
And Ryan’s approach is the only chance for winning. A Romney campaign was never going to ‘out personality’ or ‘out sleaze’ the Obama machine. Be sunny, intelligent, and serious. Hit the employment and fiscal stuff over and over again. ‘Fine, you like Obama as a person, but that doesn’t mean he should be leading us to recovery and fiscal sanity.’
If you still want some heavy-hitting anyways, make sure Gingrich is accepting all the airtime he can. The video of him with Piers Morgan (defending Romney-Ryan) is epic.
Sorry the point slipped right over your head Sloth. Here you go just for you:
Why pick someone that is controversial and who cannot deliver key demographic groups and must have states?
There you go![/quote]
Right. So how in the hell did you back Romney?[/quote]
Easy question.
We had a choice between a bunch of candidates who could NEVER win and one that could possible win. That one is Mitt Romney —I know you don’t like him so he can’t win.
Funny stuff![/quote]
Can win? Then why are you here acting as if he needed Jesus himself as a running mate to have a hope against Obama? When the VP is the better candidate than the nominee, and the VP still isn’t good enough, then your nominee is terrible. Zeb, it just seems like you noticed Romney was tanking even prior to the VP pick, and now you need to retroactively make Ryan the cause.
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Sloth you may have missed my many posts which clearly state the contrary. Let me recap it for you:
Never said or implied that he needed “Jesus” to be his running mate. And in fact I’ve said many times (right here on this thread) that almost any other candidate would have been better. I even rattled off a short list of the people I thought would be better. Those who could deliver support that he does not currently have. In my opinion Ryan can’t help him and may very well hurt him with key groups.
I also pointed out that Romney was making serious mistakes in the campaign long before he took Paul Ryan as his running mate. One thing I mentioned was that he was slow on the draw to respond early when the Obama scum machine was painting him as a tax cheat and a murderer. That is Romney’s fault no one else’s.
I also went on to point out that his second big mistake was picking someone who cannot deliver Florida or Ohio, two must win states. Furthermore, he fails to attract independents and women, two important demographic groups where the GOP is lagging behind.
Essentially, Ryan adds nothing to the ticket. If you were going to vote for Romney before you’ll probably still vote for him. But a Presidential candidate needs to add power to the ticket when choosing a VP nominee. Either geographically, or within key demographic groups. The Ryan pick while getting all the conservatives exicted did none of that.
Are we clear now as to why I don’t like Paul Ryan as the VP pick?
Keep in mind that it has nothing to do with me not liking Paul Ryan as a politician, I do. I just don’t like him in the VP slot. He would have made a heck of a treasurery secretary.
Many people here on T Nation confuse who THEY like with who can actually help the ticket.
Sorry the point slipped right over your head Sloth. Here you go just for you:
Why pick someone that is controversial and who cannot deliver key demographic groups and must have states?
There you go![/quote]
Right. So how in the hell did you back Romney?[/quote]
Easy question.
We had a choice between a bunch of candidates who could NEVER win and one that could possible win. That one is Mitt Romney —I know you don’t like him so he can’t win.
Funny stuff![/quote]
Can win? Then why are you here acting as if he needed Jesus himself as a running mate to have a hope against Obama? When the VP is the better candidate than the nominee, and the VP still isn’t good enough, then your nominee is terrible. Zeb, it just seems like you noticed Romney was tanking even prior to the VP pick, and now you need to retroactively make Ryan the cause.
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Sloth you may have missed my many posts which clearly state the contrary. Let me recap it for you:
Never said or implied that he needed “Jesus” to be his running mate. And in fact I’ve said many times (right here on this thread) that almost any other candidate would have been better. I even rattled off a short list of the people I thought would be better. Those who could deliver support that he does not currently have. In my opinion Ryan can’t help him and may very well hurt him with key groups.
I also pointed out that Romney was making serious mistakes in the campaign long before he took Paul Ryan as his running mate. One thing I mentioned was that he was slow on the draw to respond early when the Obama scum machine was painting him as a tax cheat and a murderer. That is Romney’s fault no one else’s.
I also went on to point out that his second big mistake was picking someone who cannot deliver Florida or Ohio, two must win states. Furthermore, he fails to attract independents and women, two important demographic groups where the GOP is lagging behind.
Essentially, Ryan adds nothing to the ticket. If you were going to vote for Romney before you’ll probably still vote for him. But a Presidential candidate needs to add power to the ticket when choosing a VP nominee. Either geographically, or within key demographic groups. The Ryan pick while getting all the conservatives exicted did none of that.
Are we clear now as to why I don’t like Paul Ryan as the VP pick?
Keep in mind that it has nothing to do with me not liking Paul Ryan as a politician, I do. I just don’t like him in the VP slot. He would have made a heck of a treasurery secretary.
Many people here on T Nation confuse who THEY like with who can actually help the ticket. [/quote]
With your view of the mismanagement by Romney of his campaign in so many instances, do you think that gives confidence to the voter of his abilities in actually governing as president?
Or is it just the ‘anyone but Obama’ view that you think makes him the better choice?
With your view of the mismanagement by Romney of his campaign in so many instances, do you think that gives confidence to the voter of his abilities in actually governing as president?
Or is it just the ‘anyone but Obama’ view that you think makes him the better choice?[/quote]
I’m pretty sure, at least with younger independants, he couldnuse the “I didn’t respond to the mudd raking in full because I’m more concerned with fixing our country rather than trying to tear down one person” to his advantage at this point.
I promise this would work, with younger (<35) educated people.
The three of us need to start a Political Party…you’ve both hit on my same issues.
We have SYSTEMIC problems in our Government, that will require Bi-Partisan changes. Our government is a mess…and neither the DEMS, GOP or TeaPublicans have all the answers.
[quote]ZEB wrote:<<< I never said that anyone with real solutions cannot be elected…Sheesh![/quote]Ok, forgetting about electability altogether. Who do you think has the best political solutions? Serious question.
Though the solution is around the practically extinct American family dinner table and not political at all.
With your view of the mismanagement by Romney of his campaign in so many instances, do you think that gives confidence to the voter of his abilities in actually governing as president?
Or is it just the ‘anyone but Obama’ view that you think makes him the better choice?[/quote]
I’m pretty sure, at least with younger independants, he couldnuse the “I didn’t respond to the mudd raking in full because I’m more concerned with fixing our country rather than trying to tear down one person” to his advantage at this point.
I promise this would work, with younger (<35) educated people. [/quote]
That’s a valid point, but only counters one of the many shortcomings ZEB has spoken about in regards to the campaign, no? And he’s a guy who is very vested in a Romney win, hence my question.
Can a Democrat answer this question for me.[/quote]
Actually, I read in the Huffington Post recently (so it is immunized from ad hominem attack) that according to polling, a majority of self-identified liberals and Democrats support voter-ID laws.
Can a Democrat answer this question for me.[/quote]
Actually, I read in the Huffington Post recently (so it is immunized from ad hominem attack) that according to polling, a majority of self-identified liberals and Democrats support voter-ID laws.
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Just curious as Fletch and Irish both expressed their disgust at THE GOPZ KEEPING THE PEOPLES DOWN…
Why does this even have legs, I hear it on MSNBC and CNN all the time.
