Max could explain in more detail; but it IS apparent that every other town in California, and the State itself, are finding it impossible to fund themselves.
Too many promises to too many people.
Add to it awful taxation, over-regulation and a diminishing tax base.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Add to it awful taxation, [/quote]
The Cali tax return is a massive, massive cluster fuck.
It is worse than Federal, at least the 1065.
NY, also as liberal as can be is pretty straight forward.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Standing up and reading a Paul Ryan budget plan will only put people to sleep.[/quote]
And you think Ryan would do something like that? That’s thing about him, he’s actually damn good speaking off the cuff about the important stuff. When he does interviews he’s the happy economics warrior. He stays sunny while countering interviewers and/or fellow quests. The guy is sharp on his feet, with facts and figures at his command. Remember Bowles from the deficit commission?
“Have any of you met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing, uh. I always thought that I was OK with arithmetic, but this guy can run circles around me. And, he is honest. He is straightforward. He is sincere.”
Those ads you wish for aren’t what I and many others consider negative ads. Those to me are issues ads. A shot at his executive record. And if you want the focus on the President’s jobs/economics performance, budget, spending, and future plans (or lack of, really) Ryan probably is the go to guy. Yes, even in making the case to the public.
Decent pick, I supposed - he’s an engaged policy guy, likable and photogenic. He’s young, but has policy experience.
I think he may have a hard time explaining why he is a fiscal conservative now when he wasnt’t in 2003, i.e., voting yes of Medicare Part D. But for Obama to attack this, Obama will have to concede certain things he doesn’t want to concede - such as criticism of passing Medicare Part D. That’s the last thing Obama wants to complain about.
Also, the pick shows Romney is ready to get serious about this being an “issues” campaign, versus simply being about “Obama is a terrible steward, I’d be better at the helm”. Romney can still make the latter argument, but now the debate will be bigger and about bigger things.
Credit to Romney for the cajones to go bigger. Win or lose, the country is about to have a serious debate over entitlements, and I think we all benefit from that.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Credit to Romney for the cajones to go bigger. Win or lose, the country is about to have a serious debate over entitlements, and I think we all benefit from that.[/quote]
If there is someone in Washington that isn’t ready to sit down and have the hard conversation about the fact we, as a country, need to tighten our belts for a while, needs to get out of office.
The American people need to wake up, and everyone under say 45, if not 40, is going to have to face the fact this is not our grandfather’s America. We have screwed the pooch and need to deal with this problem.
We can’t keep kicking it down the road. And no, the answer isn’t “tax the rich”, for many reasons, the main one being there isn’t enough tax in the world to fix the problem. And extra 5% for people over 250k? Does nothing but placate people that can’t do math.
I feel like my grandfather’s generation would have no issue with this and get it done, and we are a bunch of whiney dicks too worried about the next iPad. Maybe I’m wrong.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Credit to Romney for the cajones to go bigger. Win or lose, the country is about to have a serious debate over entitlements, and I think we all benefit from that.[/quote]
If there is someone in Washington that isn’t ready to sit down and have the hard conversation about the fact we, as a country, need to tighten our belts for a while, needs to get out of office.
The American people need to wake up, and everyone under say 45, if not 40, is going to have to face the fact this is not our grandfather’s America. We have screwed the pooch and need to deal with this problem.
We can’t keep kicking it down the road. And no, the answer isn’t “tax the rich”, for many reasons, the main one being there isn’t enough tax in the world to fix the problem. And extra 5% for people over 250k? Does nothing but placate people that can’t do math.
I feel like my grandfather’s generation would have no issue with this and get it done, and we are a bunch of whiney dicks too worried about the next iPad. Maybe I’m wrong.[/quote]
I agree with what you wrote 100%. I feel the time to address the entitlements is now. But the problem is the American people: HALF of them (and that’s being generous) are more concerned about the latest iPad, who won American Idol or the size of Kim Kardashian’s ass. They are FUCKING RETARDED. Our failed liberal education system is to blame along with the piece of shit MEDIA. But that’s where we are as a country. WE let ourselves get that way. Bread and circus is unsustainable. So when we go down the tubes, we have only ourselves to blame. If you’re smart, you’ll be prepared.
I’ll definitely be voting for the R/R ticket and I’ll be trying to talk sense into all the liberals I know. Reaching across the isle is the ONLY hope we have - we have to develop a SIMPLE argument that can be readily absorbed before they get a new twitter update on their iPhone and lose concentration. But so far, from the liberals I have spoken with, the memory of “W” is too fresh in their minds. Many of them agree with me and don’t think Obama is keeping his promises (I am quick to point out several of the big ones). But they don’t TRUST the republican party. They bring up the WMD’s that weren’t there. They talk about Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and some of the shit from 8 years ago. Many of them aren’t voting FOR Obama, but AGAINST republicans. And no matter how you spin it, from THEIR perspective, they are right (I can’t say “oh no, they FOUND the WMD’s so the Iraq war really WAS justified”). Between that and the fact that they feel the Christian coalition want’s to use the republican party to ram religion down people’s throats and use religion as a basis to form policy. I can’t really argue about that either (abortion, stem cell research, etc.). So those are some serious FUNDAMENTAL differences to overcome.
The strategy that I’m adopting is creating distance between Romney/Ryan and the former administration (that’s why Condi Rice would NOT have been a good pick - despite being black and female - she was part and parcel in the WMD fuck up). I am speaking about fiscal issues and the economy and reminding them how business works. So far I’ve talked some sense into a FEW people, but not many. Perhaps if I was able to waterboard them, I’d make better progress. LOL
Well, he is a smart dude. Which means the minority is going to vote for him.
FML, another 4 years of this shit? Gonna be a lllloooooonnnnnnngggggggggg 4 years.
fuck me, the more I watch the more I like this guy.
Why isn’t he the top ofthe ticket? Oh that’s right, they are gonna wait until King Obama is termed out and Mr Ryan will get 8 years?
Love how Barney plays blame game and dude is like “yeah, we fucked up, and?”
Frank has a point though. Why DIDN’T the GOP do any of this while they had the the legislative and the executive branches to themselves? I would have preferred Ryan to Romney any day. Of course ZEB will be along to tell me that it doesn’t matter what I (or he) would prefer. The candidate has to be able to win first. He may be right, but I just don’t see Ryan as this repulsive geek. That’s how I actually saw Obama. A manicured neo hippie bookworm who should be chained in a classroom somewhere.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Credit to Romney for the cajones to go bigger. Win or lose, the country is about to have a serious debate over entitlements, and I think we all benefit from that.[/quote]
If there is someone in Washington that isn’t ready to sit down and have the hard conversation about the fact we, as a country, need to tighten our belts for a while, needs to get out of office.
The American people need to wake up, and everyone under say 45, if not 40, is going to have to face the fact this is not our grandfather’s America. We have screwed the pooch and need to deal with this problem.
We can’t keep kicking it down the road. And no, the answer isn’t “tax the rich”, for many reasons, the main one being there isn’t enough tax in the world to fix the problem. And extra 5% for people over 250k? Does nothing but placate people that can’t do math.
I feel like my grandfather’s generation would have no issue with this and get it done, and we are a bunch of whiney dicks too worried about the next iPad. Maybe I’m wrong.[/quote]
I agree with what you wrote 100%. I feel the time to address the entitlements is now. But the problem is the American people: HALF of them (and that’s being generous) are more concerned about the latest iPad, who won American Idol or the size of Kim Kardashian’s ass. They are FUCKING RETARDED. Our failed liberal education system is to blame along with the piece of shit MEDIA. But that’s where we are as a country. WE let ourselves get that way. Bread and circus is unsustainable. So when we go down the tubes, we have only ourselves to blame. If you’re smart, you’ll be prepared.
I’ll definitely be voting for the R/R ticket and I’ll be trying to talk sense into all the liberals I know. Reaching across the isle is the ONLY hope we have - we have to develop a SIMPLE argument that can be readily absorbed before they get a new twitter update on their iPhone and lose concentration. But so far, from the liberals I have spoken with, the memory of “W” is too fresh in their minds. Many of them agree with me and don’t think Obama is keeping his promises (I am quick to point out several of the big ones). But they don’t TRUST the republican party. They bring up the WMD’s that weren’t there. They talk about Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and some of the shit from 8 years ago. Many of them aren’t voting FOR Obama, but AGAINST republicans. And no matter how you spin it, from THEIR perspective, they are right (I can’t say “oh no, they FOUND the WMD’s so the Iraq war really WAS justified”). Between that and the fact that they feel the Christian coalition want’s to use the republican party to ram religion down people’s throats and use religion as a basis to form policy. I can’t really argue about that either (abortion, stem cell research, etc.). So those are some serious FUNDAMENTAL differences to overcome.
The strategy that I’m adopting is creating distance between Romney/Ryan and the former administration (that’s why Condi Rice would NOT have been a good pick - despite being black and female - she was part and parcel in the WMD fuck up). I am speaking about fiscal issues and the economy and reminding them how business works. So far I’ve talked some sense into a FEW people, but not many. Perhaps if I was able to waterboard them, I’d make better progress. LOL[/quote]
I’m one of those people in your middle paragraph down to the t.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Well, he is a smart dude. Which means the minority is going to vote for him.
FML, another 4 years of this shit? Gonna be a lllloooooonnnnnnngggggggggg 4 years.[/quote]
I like this guy, also. If more people watch this guy I believe he could have a good impact, especially if a lot of people watch the debates.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Credit to Romney for the cajones to go bigger. Win or lose, the country is about to have a serious debate over entitlements, and I think we all benefit from that.[/quote]
If there is someone in Washington that isn’t ready to sit down and have the hard conversation about the fact we, as a country, need to tighten our belts for a while, needs to get out of office.
The American people need to wake up, and everyone under say 45, if not 40, is going to have to face the fact this is not our grandfather’s America. We have screwed the pooch and need to deal with this problem.
We can’t keep kicking it down the road. And no, the answer isn’t “tax the rich”, for many reasons, the main one being there isn’t enough tax in the world to fix the problem. And extra 5% for people over 250k? Does nothing but placate people that can’t do math.
I feel like my grandfather’s generation would have no issue with this and get it done, and we are a bunch of whiney dicks too worried about the next iPad. Maybe I’m wrong.[/quote]
I agree with what you wrote 100%. I feel the time to address the entitlements is now. But the problem is the American people: HALF of them (and that’s being generous) are more concerned about the latest iPad, who won American Idol or the size of Kim Kardashian’s ass. They are FUCKING RETARDED. Our failed liberal education system is to blame along with the piece of shit MEDIA. But that’s where we are as a country. WE let ourselves get that way. Bread and circus is unsustainable. So when we go down the tubes, we have only ourselves to blame. If you’re smart, you’ll be prepared.
I’ll definitely be voting for the R/R ticket and I’ll be trying to talk sense into all the liberals I know. Reaching across the isle is the ONLY hope we have - we have to develop a SIMPLE argument that can be readily absorbed before they get a new twitter update on their iPhone and lose concentration. But so far, from the liberals I have spoken with, the memory of “W” is too fresh in their minds. Many of them agree with me and don’t think Obama is keeping his promises (I am quick to point out several of the big ones). But they don’t TRUST the republican party. They bring up the WMD’s that weren’t there. They talk about Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and some of the shit from 8 years ago. Many of them aren’t voting FOR Obama, but AGAINST republicans. And no matter how you spin it, from THEIR perspective, they are right (I can’t say “oh no, they FOUND the WMD’s so the Iraq war really WAS justified”). Between that and the fact that they feel the Christian coalition want’s to use the republican party to ram religion down people’s throats and use religion as a basis to form policy. I can’t really argue about that either (abortion, stem cell research, etc.). So those are some serious FUNDAMENTAL differences to overcome.
The strategy that I’m adopting is creating distance between Romney/Ryan and the former administration (that’s why Condi Rice would NOT have been a good pick - despite being black and female - she was part and parcel in the WMD fuck up). I am speaking about fiscal issues and the economy and reminding them how business works. So far I’ve talked some sense into a FEW people, but not many. Perhaps if I was able to waterboard them, I’d make better progress. LOL[/quote]
I’m one of those people in your middle paragraph down to the t.[/quote]
Serious question: What would it take for YOU to trust the Republican party?
What about it do you find the most distasteful?
What about it do you agree with (if anything)?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Credit to Romney for the cajones to go bigger. Win or lose, the country is about to have a serious debate over entitlements, and I think we all benefit from that.[/quote]
If there is someone in Washington that isn’t ready to sit down and have the hard conversation about the fact we, as a country, need to tighten our belts for a while, needs to get out of office.
The American people need to wake up, and everyone under say 45, if not 40, is going to have to face the fact this is not our grandfather’s America. We have screwed the pooch and need to deal with this problem.
We can’t keep kicking it down the road. And no, the answer isn’t “tax the rich”, for many reasons, the main one being there isn’t enough tax in the world to fix the problem. And extra 5% for people over 250k? Does nothing but placate people that can’t do math.
I feel like my grandfather’s generation would have no issue with this and get it done, and we are a bunch of whiney dicks too worried about the next iPad. Maybe I’m wrong.[/quote]
I agree with what you wrote 100%. I feel the time to address the entitlements is now. But the problem is the American people: HALF of them (and that’s being generous) are more concerned about the latest iPad, who won American Idol or the size of Kim Kardashian’s ass. They are FUCKING RETARDED. Our failed liberal education system is to blame along with the piece of shit MEDIA. But that’s where we are as a country. WE let ourselves get that way. Bread and circus is unsustainable. So when we go down the tubes, we have only ourselves to blame. If you’re smart, you’ll be prepared.
I’ll definitely be voting for the R/R ticket and I’ll be trying to talk sense into all the liberals I know. Reaching across the isle is the ONLY hope we have - we have to develop a SIMPLE argument that can be readily absorbed before they get a new twitter update on their iPhone and lose concentration. But so far, from the liberals I have spoken with, the memory of “W” is too fresh in their minds. Many of them agree with me and don’t think Obama is keeping his promises (I am quick to point out several of the big ones). But they don’t TRUST the republican party. They bring up the WMD’s that weren’t there. They talk about Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and some of the shit from 8 years ago. Many of them aren’t voting FOR Obama, but AGAINST republicans. And no matter how you spin it, from THEIR perspective, they are right (I can’t say “oh no, they FOUND the WMD’s so the Iraq war really WAS justified”). Between that and the fact that they feel the Christian coalition want’s to use the republican party to ram religion down people’s throats and use religion as a basis to form policy. I can’t really argue about that either (abortion, stem cell research, etc.). So those are some serious FUNDAMENTAL differences to overcome.
The strategy that I’m adopting is creating distance between Romney/Ryan and the former administration (that’s why Condi Rice would NOT have been a good pick - despite being black and female - she was part and parcel in the WMD fuck up). I am speaking about fiscal issues and the economy and reminding them how business works. So far I’ve talked some sense into a FEW people, but not many. Perhaps if I was able to waterboard them, I’d make better progress. LOL[/quote]
I’m one of those people in your middle paragraph down to the t.[/quote]
Serious question: What would it take for YOU to trust the Republican party?
What about it do you find the most distasteful?
What about it do you agree with (if anything)?[/quote]
Those are good questions and I’ll do my best to answer them. I’ll have to be brief for now, but I’ll try to address them better and be more specific later. Probably tomorrow.
Distateful:
Any bill the democrats try to legislate is killed by the republicans no matter how bipartisan it should be. Basic issues like infrastructure. Even when democrats try to reach across the aisle, the republicans won’t here a word of it and it’s either my way or the highway because of that Karl Rove guy.
I find the teapublican movement scary. Especially when people like Michelle Bachmann are elected to high and prestigious positions.
I find the what some of the republicans are doing in many of the states to make voting more difficult for minority and college voters to be atrocious and in total opposition to what democracy is about.
I find the education scenario very scary in conservative states like Texas. There’s a bill that says that critical thinking skills are no longer in the curriculum in Texas. They’re cutting spending and first to get the slash are your teachers. The foundation of the system. The people hurt the most are the students who now have less experienced teachers, overcrowded classrooms and less exposure to technology in the classroom.
I don’t believe in top down economic trickle. I’m worried that republicans are either knowingly or unknowingly trying to move America in the direction of a plutocracy. Without government intervention on businesses, I believe that’s what you end up with. Is big business running people’s lives better than a government with democratically elected top officials running people’s lives?
I keep hearing how Obamacare is awful, but I have yet to see an alternative suggested from republicans.
Agree:
I’m all for tax deductions that encourage traditional family values.
I hate how Universal Healthcare includes things like contraception which are in direct violation of conservative Christian values. I don’t want secular values shoved down their throats anymore than I want extreme right wing Christian values shoved down mine.
I hate our current social welfare programs. I liked the ones that FDR started. Do SOMETHING for that government paycheck. Like dig a ditch or lay down brick. Granted someone is able bodied and all that. Also, I hate how moral degeneration is actually rewarded by some welfare programs.
Abortion is wrong and a form of murder.
I don’t like Obama’s offshore oil drilling policy, especially when he makes deals to get other countries oil who do a lot of it to get their oil.
What will trust take:
More compromising with the democrats. I know Obama is part of the problem and I wish he were more like Clinton in that Clinton knew how to reach across the aisle but there’s still not any agreement with even what should be bipartisan issues.
I’d be a lot more at ease if the teapublican movement died off or at least started to waver.
If I quit hearing all the extreme talk about totally killing social programs amongst high ranking republicans that serve important purposes like medicare and social security. Overhaul? sure, but not total elimination.
More respect for public education or at least viable alternatives. Not just slashing spending. Education is a vastly important investment in the future and not what I think of as the first thing that should be slashed in a budget. On that note, I’m watching the voucher system in Louisiana closely. I’m not rooting for it’s success or failure. I’m just very interested in seeing how it works out and how the results of that could be used.
No more of this random rich guy telling what people in congress should or shouldn’t do like Karl Rove.
Cut all the crap intended to reduce democrat voting like voter ID and greater time windows for voting in republican districts.
One of the many dangers of going with a “big idea” man like Paul Ryan. In a speech in Iowa yesterday Ryan was interrupted several times by people shouting “are you going to cut my medicare.” Not knowing how to handle such interruptions Ryan said “you people must not be from Iowa, Iowans are respectful…gu hu gu hu…”
They should gear up for more such questions as the possibility of their campaign getting sidetracked BECAUSE of the Ryan budget increases by the second.
I asked these questions regarding the Ryan pick earlier but had no takers:
How does Ryan help win the two most important must have states for the republicans, Florida and Ohio?
How does Ryan bring two very important demographic groups that Romney must have to win, independents and women?
How do the republicans prevent the democrats from scaring the crap out of old people (something they love to do and are really good at) regarding the Ryan budget?
Tell me what new demographic groups does Ryan bring to the campaign that Romney didn’t already have?
Yes, we all love Ryan “there’s a guy who wants to help America, he’s the real deal…bla bla bla.”
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One of the many dangers of going with a “big idea” man like Paul Ryan. In a speech in Iowa yesterday Ryan was interrupted several times by people shouting “are you going to cut my medicare.” Not knowing how to handle such interruptions Ryan said “you people must not be from Iowa, Iowans are respectful…gu hu gu hu…”
They should gear up for more such plants in the crowds as the possibility of their campaign getting sidetracked BECAUSE of the Ryan budget increases by the second. >>>[/quote]I revised that for ya.
[quote]ZEB wrote:<<< I asked these questions regarding the Ryan pick earlier but had no takers:
How does Ryan help win the two most important must have states for the republicans, Florida and Ohio?
How does Ryan bring two very important demographic groups that Romney must have to win, independents and women?
How do the republicans prevent the democrats from scaring the crap out of old people (something they love to do and are really good at) regarding the Ryan budget?
Tell me what new demographic groups does Ryan bring to the campaign that Romney didn’t already have?
Yes, we all love Ryan “there’s a guy who wants to help America, he’s the real deal…bla bla bla.”
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y? [/quote]And I’ll ask again. Forgetting about Ryan for a second. If ANY candidate who is honest, the “the real deal”, has real solutions and is willing to ask and answer the tough questions CANNOT be elected in this country then WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHO IS!?!?!?!? Let’s pull the plug and lay this morally brain dead languishing nation to rest already. Give her what she wants and let her kill herself with it. It would be quicker and more merciful than watching her wince in pain for another generation.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y?
[/quote]
Nothing probably, but it’s more fun to think about than the ugly truth that we are stuck with Obama.
Pray every day congress gets “red-er”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One of the many dangers of going with a “big idea” man like Paul Ryan. In a speech in Iowa yesterday Ryan was interrupted several times by people shouting “are you going to cut my medicare.” Not knowing how to handle such interruptions Ryan said “you people must not be from Iowa, Iowans are respectful…gu hu gu hu…”
They should gear up for more such questions as the possibility of their campaign getting sidetracked BECAUSE of the Ryan budget increases by the second.
I asked these questions regarding the Ryan pick earlier but had no takers:
How does Ryan help win the two most important must have states for the republicans, Florida and Ohio?
How does Ryan bring two very important demographic groups that Romney must have to win, independents and women?
How do the republicans prevent the democrats from scaring the crap out of old people (something they love to do and are really good at) regarding the Ryan budget?
Tell me what new demographic groups does Ryan bring to the campaign that Romney didn’t already have?
Yes, we all love Ryan “there’s a guy who wants to help America, he’s the real deal…bla bla bla.”
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y?
[/quote]
This, from hecklers? How the hell did you ever support Romney?
Game over folks, hecklers!
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
One of the many dangers of going with a “big idea” man like Paul Ryan. In a speech in Iowa yesterday Ryan was interrupted several times by people shouting “are you going to cut my medicare.” Not knowing how to handle such interruptions Ryan said “you people must not be from Iowa, Iowans are respectful…gu hu gu hu…”
They should gear up for more such questions as the possibility of their campaign getting sidetracked BECAUSE of the Ryan budget increases by the second.
I asked these questions regarding the Ryan pick earlier but had no takers:
How does Ryan help win the two most important must have states for the republicans, Florida and Ohio?
How does Ryan bring two very important demographic groups that Romney must have to win, independents and women?
How do the republicans prevent the democrats from scaring the crap out of old people (something they love to do and are really good at) regarding the Ryan budget?
Tell me what new demographic groups does Ryan bring to the campaign that Romney didn’t already have?
Yes, we all love Ryan “there’s a guy who wants to help America, he’s the real deal…bla bla bla.”
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y?
[/quote]
This, from hecklers? How the hell did you ever support Romney?
Game over folks, hecklers!
[/quote]
I think the best thing they could do for Mitt is not allow any questions
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But what does any of that really mean when it comes to E L E C T A B I L I T Y?
[/quote]
Nothing probably, but it’s more fun to think about than the ugly truth that we are stuck with Obama.
Pray every day congress gets “red-er”
[/quote]
You know the problem I have is the best answer is some where between both sides and both sides are selling either or
The more I see of Ryan the more I see the Republicans have chosen the wrong Presidential candidate , Ryan for Pres.