Past the Intermediate Stage?

A bit of context, I’ve been training for more a couple of years. Last yeat with SL 5x5. I can bench 2 plates for 5 reps, squat 3 plates for 4 reps, deadlift 4 plates for 5 reps, i can do 10 chin ups.
I am 178 cm, 75 kg at a decent BF (can see my abs).
I am starting to find it really hard to progress, as well as getting a bit bored… but I don’t wanna move too much away from a weight-progression beat the logbook style of training even though I’m Into bodybuilding.

I’ve found a couple of routines which make sense to me and look fun, and I would like to know If anyone can give me any advice about wether one or the other is best

FIRST ONE: Jordan Peters’s Upper Lower
OPTION 1:
Train 3 days M/W/F. Have 2 rotations (asked JP himself "two or three rotations make ZERO difference), alternate upper and lower. Tempo 3010. You lose an exercise when you can’t progress it for 3 consecuive workouts Routine would look like
WEEK 1: Upper 1/ Lower 1/ Upper2 WEEK 2: Lower2/ Upper1/ Lower 1 …………… and so on

UPPER
a) Chest compound: 1x6-10; 1x10-15
b) Upper back Row: 1x6-10; 1x10-15
c) Shoulder compound: 1x6-10; 1x10-15
d) Vertical Pull: 1x6-10; 1x10-15
e) Tricep Compound: 1x6-10; 1x10-15

LOWER
a) Bicep curl variation: 1x6-10; 1x10-15
b) Calf raises: 20-30 reps rest pause.
c) Hinge variation: 1x6-10; 1x10-15
d) Quad compound: 1x6-10; 1x10-15
e) Leg Curl Variation or unilateral leg compounds:1x6-10; 1x10-15

Progression is a super simple double progression: progress each set individually. I will try and do more reps up to when I hit the upper limit of the rep range, then increase the weight the next workout so that I’m in the proximity of the lower end of the rep range. Having two rotations I’ll milk each exercise longer before stall (which I’ll consider as 3 consecutive workouts without any progress), in which case I will lose the exercise for another one (I.E. I have Flat bench on upper 1 , Incline Bench on upper 2… Let’s say I stall on Incline bench, I’ll lose that exercise and start doing weighted dips).

GREYSKULL LP FOR INTERMEDIATES
Train 3 days M/W/F. You don’t have exercise rotations, alternate FULL BODY 1 and 2. Tempo 3010. You lose an exercise when you can’t do at least 3x5 for 3 consecutive workouts Routine would look like this:
WEEK 1: FULL 1/ FULL 2/ FULL 1 WEEK 2: FULL 2 / FULL 1/ FULL 2 … and so on
FULL BODY 1
a) Chest compound: 2x5 + 1x AMRAP
b) Upper back Row: 2x5 + 1x AMRAP
c) Quad compound: 2x5 + 1x AMRAP
d) Biceps isolation: 20-30 reps rest pause
e) Shoulder isolation: 20-30 rest pause
f) Forearms: a couple of high reps sets of forearm flexion
FULL BODY 2
a) Shoulder compound: 2x5 + 1x AMRAP
b) Vertical Pull: 2x5 + 1x AMRAP
c) Hinge: 2x5 + 1x AMRAP
d) Triceps isolation: 20-30 rest pause
e) Calf Raise: 20-30 reps rest pause.
f) Abs: A couple of high reps sets of some crunch variation

The progression model works as follows: you do 3 sets. The first two are 5’s the last one is to failure. All the sets with same weight. I.e., Bench press: 90 kgx5, 5, 10 resting about 5 minutes between sets. You start at a weight that has you do 10-15 reps at first and then, every time you can do at least 5 reps on the last set, the next workout you add 1kg for upper body lifts, and 2 kgs for lower body lifts, up to the point you can’t do 5 reps anymore on that exercise i.e. 5, 5, 4 for 3 consecutive workouts, then you lose that lift and start that progression with another exercises (i.e. when you lose bench press you move to incline bench, then when you lose incline bench you move to weighted dips, and only then, when you lose weighted dips, you move back to bench press, hopefully bigger and stronger).

Side note: my training would still revolve mostly around basic big time proven movements that allow a bigger progressive overload weight-wise

There’s no such thing as “best” when it comes to programs - only a sensible exercise selection, a reasonable amount of volume, and a progression model. Pick the one you think will motivate you the most and stick with it for a good amount of time.

If you get sick of it, you feel your body isn’t responding as well as it once did, or fancy trying something else… do exactly that. but only when you’ve given it a good amount of time

So in answer to your question.

Both.

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And by that you also mean that on paper they are both decent, right? In terms of exercise selection, amount of volume and progression model.

By the way everybody, being having put about 20 kgs since i started training I see that diet… rest… evrything you do outside of the gym and the EFFORT you put into whichever routine you run are KEY

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Both of these are programs have been been written by professionals and ran with massive amounts of success by a countless amount of people. Whether they are “decent” isn’t something you should be worrying about, just trust the creators and the guys that have enjoyed progression with them.

As long as a program suits your goals just commit for a period and see what happens. Some programs you might find more enjoyable to run and return to more often. The best way to figure this out is over a long period of time try multiple. There’s nothing stopping you from doing Jordan Peters for 3-4months and then jumping on Greyskull. They might actually end up complimenting eachother pretty well.

As you touched on; Consistency, diet, and effort will be more important.

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Unless you try to do bad on purpose, what you do for training matters the very least in all of this. You can get many good programs online for free or a small fee. Just stick to them, you wont reinvent the wheel anyway.
If you dont progress you probably dont gain weight. If you dont gain weight - start gaining weight.

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do them both. 12 weeks of one, 12 weeks of the other. come back and tell us how that went.

start with JP upper lower :laughing: