[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Hope the sit in doesn’t extend to MG otherwise I fucked up[/quote]
Whats it like being a cheerleader? The sum total of original contributions you’ve made to the thread is zero.
Do you even lift?
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
Fact fat is sexy sometimes.
Best post in this entire thread.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period
Fact only so many calories are needed for this
Fact eating more adds only bF that will need to be lost unless BF is of no concern
Anything others want to add to this list?[/quote]
I’ve posted TWO references so far that support the argument that muscle can be force fed into existence. Please post ONE reference which supports the basic premise behind what you wrote.
(Plus heres a clue you need to write a coherent argument before you actually try and argue for it, so “Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period” is a retarded premise, since any person, who either lifts doesn’t, uses steroids or not or masturbates regularly can only synthesi(ze) so much muscle in a time period… 
Oh and heres another clue. The “fact” that you can only synthesize a limited amount of muscle tissue in a given time period is not conclusive proof that overfeeding does not change that limit, since the rate is dependant on hormonal status and inuslin is a hormone.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period
Fact only so many calories are needed for this
Fact eating more adds only bF that will need to be lost unless BF is of no concern
Anything others want to add to this list?[/quote]
I’ve posted TWO references so far that support the argument that muscle can be force fed into existence. Please post ONE reference which supports the basic premise behind what you wrote.
(Plus heres a clue you need to write a coherent argument before you actually try and argue for it, so “Fact naturals can only synthesis so much muscle in a time period” is a retarded premise, since any person, who either lifts doesn’t, uses steroids or not or masturbates regularly can only synthesi(ze) so much muscle in a time period…
Oh and heres another clue. The “fact” that you can only synthesize a limited amount of muscle tissue in a given time period is not conclusive proof that overfeeding does not change that limit, since the rate is dependant on hormonal status and inuslin is a hormone.
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Did those references say the extra muscle was from fore feeding? No
To your middle statement I am not sure it’s english, it makes no sense.
I don’t believe I said anything about force feeding in any of my points. But since you brought it up I will wait for a study to show force feeding changes your bodies ability to syntheiss muscle
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
To your middle statement I am not sure it’s english, it makes no sense.
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I feeled it too
I think if it is true that Sumo Wrestlers have built more muscle than top bodybuilders then I think it isn’t too large a leap of faith that PX may have done so. They seem to have a very similar diet methodology and on top of this PX trains with weights with the express intention of muscle gains.
I don’t think PX ever said he would have more muscle than the top natty bodybuilder’s once he dieted down just that he has built more when measured as he is now against a contest ready natty.
[quote]steven alex wrote:
I think if it is true that Sumo Wrestlers have built more muscle than top bodybuilders then I think it isn’t too large a leap of faith that PX may have done so. They seem to have a very similar diet methodology and on top of this PX trains with weights with the express intention of muscle gains.
I don’t think PX ever said he would have more muscle than the top natty bodybuilder’s once he dieted down just that he has built more when measured as he is now against a contest ready natty.[/quote]
Hmmmmmmmm
If only there was an accurate way to tell.
lol
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
I think if it is true that Sumo Wrestlers have built more muscle than top bodybuilders then I think it isn’t too large a leap of faith that PX may have done so. They seem to have a very similar diet methodology and on top of this PX trains with weights with the express intention of muscle gains.
I don’t think PX ever said he would have more muscle than the top natty bodybuilder’s once he dieted down just that he has built more when measured as he is now against a contest ready natty.[/quote]
Hmmmmmmmm
If only there was an accurate way to tell.
lol[/quote]
lol
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
I think if it is true that Sumo Wrestlers have built more muscle than top bodybuilders then I think it isn’t too large a leap of faith that PX may have done so. They seem to have a very similar diet methodology and on top of this PX trains with weights with the express intention of muscle gains.
I don’t think PX ever said he would have more muscle than the top natty bodybuilder’s once he dieted down just that he has built more when measured as he is now against a contest ready natty.[/quote]
Hmmmmmmmm
If only there was an accurate way to tell.
lol[/quote]
Autopsy. He did say it is the only 100% accurate way… just saying.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
I think if it is true that Sumo Wrestlers have built more muscle than top bodybuilders then I think it isn’t too large a leap of faith that PX may have done so. They seem to have a very similar diet methodology and on top of this PX trains with weights with the express intention of muscle gains.
I don’t think PX ever said he would have more muscle than the top natty bodybuilder’s once he dieted down just that he has built more when measured as he is now against a contest ready natty.[/quote]
Hmmmmmmmm
If only there was an accurate way to tell.
lol[/quote]
Autopsy. He did say it is the only 100% accurate way… just saying. [/quote]
Is that a threat? Are you racist?
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft.
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft. [/quote]
I have seen countless times on other forums(Where many of the members are insanely big and ripped) that the competitors stopped getting sloppy in the offseason from comments they got. If you’re gonna be a bodybuilder, you should always look like a bodybuilder. Typically, they also make better gains as well because they don’t have to diet as hard for contest prep.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Because one of these days I’d like to be a much larger version of myself, at 10-15% bodyfat.
I want to know whether I’ll get there faster via the “lean gains” approach or the “bulk and cut” approach.
I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one.
But that’s why I care.[/quote]
Lifetime unassisted
Did not begin training until after 23rd birthday
Starting weight was 160 w/limited ab lines showing
I did this…
The problem as I saw it was â??how does a lifter stay goal directed when the long term goal was many years awayâ??? I knew several bodybuilders that used powerlifting competitions during their â??offseasonâ?? periods to maintain tangible training goals. I was introduced to â??periodizationâ?? training and have used it in some form to guide me ever since. I alternated 18-30 month periods were I carried 10-15% over my known lean weight and would usually compete in two or three meets, with 5-14 month periods were I would lean out over the course of several months and spend the summer in â??beach readyâ?? condition.
There were a couple of occasions when I ran the lean period through the winter and following summer but that was rare. While participating in powerlifting I included more volume and isolation movements than conventional PLs did and during lean periods I often worked a lower rep ranges than other BBs did.
I completed my spring deficit at the end of May. There are progress pics in my ‘How do you train’ thread.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_bigger_stronger_leaner/bluecollar_how_do_you_tr8n?id=5587885&pageNo=2
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft. [/quote]
I have seen countless times on other forums(Where many of the members are insanely big and ripped) that the competitors stopped getting sloppy in the offseason from comments they got. If you’re gonna be a bodybuilder, you should always look like a bodybuilder. Typically, they also make better gains as well because they don’t have to diet as hard for contest prep. [/quote]
The issue is, the guy you are obviously referring to, isn’t a bodybuilder.
He doesn’t want to/plan to do a show.
He doesn’t really care to ever get down to the 10-12% BF range that most off season guys seem to stay in/around.
He just wants to be big.
That’s the disconnect IMO.
Comparing gym rat/big guy to actual bodybuilders is apples to oranges.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft. [/quote]
I have seen countless times on other forums(Where many of the members are insanely big and ripped) that the competitors stopped getting sloppy in the offseason from comments they got. If you’re gonna be a bodybuilder, you should always look like a bodybuilder. Typically, they also make better gains as well because they don’t have to diet as hard for contest prep. [/quote]
The issue is, the guy you are obviously referring to, isn’t a bodybuilder.
He doesn’t want to/plan to do a show.
He doesn’t really care to ever get down to the 10-12% BF range that most off season guys seem to stay in/around.
He just wants to be big.
That’s the disconnect IMO.
Comparing gym rat/big guy to actual bodybuilders is apples to oranges. [/quote]
Agreed
But even a lot of gym rats like to stay lean like bbers
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft. [/quote]
I have seen countless times on other forums(Where many of the members are insanely big and ripped) that the competitors stopped getting sloppy in the offseason from comments they got. If you’re gonna be a bodybuilder, you should always look like a bodybuilder. Typically, they also make better gains as well because they don’t have to diet as hard for contest prep. [/quote]
The issue is, the guy you are obviously referring to, isn’t a bodybuilder.
He doesn’t want to/plan to do a show.
He doesn’t really care to ever get down to the 10-12% BF range that most off season guys seem to stay in/around.
He just wants to be big.
That’s the disconnect IMO.
Comparing gym rat/big guy to actual bodybuilders is apples to oranges. [/quote]
The point I was trying to make is that if you work your ass off in the gym for years, it should look like you do. Staying a little leaner is a good way to show your hard work instead of just looking big, or bigger.
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft. [/quote]
I have seen countless times on other forums(Where many of the members are insanely big and ripped) that the competitors stopped getting sloppy in the offseason from comments they got. If you’re gonna be a bodybuilder, you should always look like a bodybuilder. Typically, they also make better gains as well because they don’t have to diet as hard for contest prep. [/quote]
The issue is, the guy you are obviously referring to, isn’t a bodybuilder.
He doesn’t want to/plan to do a show.
He doesn’t really care to ever get down to the 10-12% BF range that most off season guys seem to stay in/around.
He just wants to be big.
That’s the disconnect IMO.
Comparing gym rat/big guy to actual bodybuilders is apples to oranges. [/quote]
The point I was trying to make is that if you work your ass off in the gym for years, it should look like you do. Staying a little leaner is a good way to show your hard work instead of just looking big, or bigger. [/quote]
Oh so you don’t want to be big. Gtfo 
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft. [/quote]
I have seen countless times on other forums(Where many of the members are insanely big and ripped) that the competitors stopped getting sloppy in the offseason from comments they got. If you’re gonna be a bodybuilder, you should always look like a bodybuilder. Typically, they also make better gains as well because they don’t have to diet as hard for contest prep. [/quote]
The issue is, the guy you are obviously referring to, isn’t a bodybuilder.
He doesn’t want to/plan to do a show.
He doesn’t really care to ever get down to the 10-12% BF range that most off season guys seem to stay in/around.
He just wants to be big.
That’s the disconnect IMO.
Comparing gym rat/big guy to actual bodybuilders is apples to oranges. [/quote]
The point I was trying to make is that if you work your ass off in the gym for years, it should look like you do. Staying a little leaner is a good way to show your hard work instead of just looking big, or bigger. [/quote]
I agree but some people, not pointing any fingers, enjoy food and don’t like doing cardio.
Those are usually the “bigger” guys.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
Sorry, but who cares how much muscle you have if you cant see it? That is the reason why bodybuilders also diet down for a contest. The sumo wrestler example is not valid. why dont you skip the training and just eat , you will look big… and soft. [/quote]
I have seen countless times on other forums(Where many of the members are insanely big and ripped) that the competitors stopped getting sloppy in the offseason from comments they got. If you’re gonna be a bodybuilder, you should always look like a bodybuilder. Typically, they also make better gains as well because they don’t have to diet as hard for contest prep. [/quote]
The issue is, the guy you are obviously referring to, isn’t a bodybuilder.
He doesn’t want to/plan to do a show.
He doesn’t really care to ever get down to the 10-12% BF range that most off season guys seem to stay in/around.
He just wants to be big.
That’s the disconnect IMO.
Comparing gym rat/big guy to actual bodybuilders is apples to oranges. [/quote]
The point I was trying to make is that if you work your ass off in the gym for years, it should look like you do. Staying a little leaner is a good way to show your hard work instead of just looking big, or bigger. [/quote]
I agree but some people, not pointing any fingers, enjoy food and don’t like doing cardio.
Those are usually the “bigger” guys.
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Love food, hate cardio. No so big.
there is also the thing of creating an illusion of being bigger, by leaning down, the guy who was posted who is just 165lbs looks big to me ofc not mr-olympia-big, but we are talking here about naturals. (i believe 165lbs is achievable natty)