[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Can we PLEASE stop responding to Princess Xeah.
His buns are wrapped too tightly.
This will keep going around and around in pointless circles.
Just stick to the original topic and lets skip over the blatant attempts to turn this into a thread littered with 2 year old pictures of your royal highness. [/quote]
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Ummm sir you should read your own post 
X, arenāt you the guy who kept arguing about how important height was when determining musculature? So, couldnāt one argue that those guys that TheDon12 posted would weigh quite a bit more if they were taller? Therefore, how can you argue that they arenāt ābig enoughā just because they weight under 200? They are all very short, so I would say they are big as hell for their heights.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
I provided you with pics of guys that have bulked up staying lean. If they were to have been around the same bodyfat , you would had considered them massive.
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You posted pictures of guys all under 180lbs. [/quote]
So height doesnāt matter all ppl better be above 200
They are also contest ready but we know you donāt care about that either [/quote]
How many times have I written that the question as who reached a high body weight with extreme muscularity?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Can we PLEASE stop responding to Princess Xeah.
His buns are wrapped too tightly.
This will keep going around and around in pointless circles.
Just stick to the original topic and lets skip over the blatant attempts to turn this into a thread littered with 2 year old pictures of your royal highness. [/quote]
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Re posting again [/quote]
Ummm sir you should read your own post ;)[/quote]
NEVER!!!
Itās too late, this thread is gone and Iām all aboard the Lulz train.
Those guys all were extremely muscular. They were just able to do it without getting to a high body weight. I think that is more impressive than what you have done.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Can we PLEASE stop responding to Princess Xeah.
His buns are wrapped too tightly.
This will keep going around and around in pointless circles.
Just stick to the original topic and lets skip over the blatant attempts to turn this into a thread littered with 2 year old pictures of your royal highness. [/quote]
Re post[/quote]
Re posting again [/quote]
Ummm sir you should read your own post ;)[/quote]
NEVER!!![/quote]
I will do what this post wants and not reply to his last ridiculous response. Feels good 
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
X, arenāt you the guy who kept arguing about how important height was when determining musculature? So, couldnāt one argue that those guys that TheDon12 posted would weigh quite a bit more if they were taller? Therefore, how can you argue that they arenāt ābig enoughā just because they weight under 200? They are all very short, so I would say they are big as hell for their heights. [/quote]
They are big FOR THEIR HEIGHT. Now that we have that out of the way, where are the guys who gained to a much higher body weight who were not really short?
Shorter limbs have less muscle to fill out. That is why the taller a lifter is, the more effort it takes to really fill out.
Picking guys who are 5ā5" (which is extremely short) seems to be missing the whole high weight issue.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Sorry, I was using a dictionary. I thought bigger meant, you know, bigger.
If I have a big truck, does it mean it has more muscle? Bad example.
If I have a big steak, does it mean it has more muscle? Damn, another bad example.
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So on a site like thisā¦someone had to tell you that bigger meant the more muscular guy?
This makes me think no one is looking at you in those terms.[/quote]
Could you please provide at least one example of someone who is natural (as far as we know), who bulked, then cut down to a bodyfat percentage lean enough to see at least 4 'abās?
Iām really only interested in seeing the comparison between that and the examples provided earlier of those who stayed relatively lean while gaining muscle mass.
Definitions per above:
natural = no prohormone or AAS usage
bulked = gained weight as both muscle and fat, and reached a point where they could no longer see any ab definition at all
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Can we PLEASE stop responding to Princess Xeah.
His buns are wrapped too tightly.
This will keep going around and around in pointless circles.
Just stick to the original topic and lets skip over the blatant attempts to turn this into a thread littered with 2 year old pictures of your royal highness. [/quote]
Re post[/quote]
Re posting again [/quote]
Ummm sir you should read your own post ;)[/quote]
NEVER!!![/quote]
I will do what this post wants and not reply to his last ridiculous response. Feels good
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Really?
If this starts catching on Iām in and will be right there with you.
Itās like a good old fashioned Sit In.
Can I say that? You know, being a white and all?
Passive peaceful resistance to the tyranny.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
I provided you with pics of guys that have bulked up staying lean. If they were to have been around the same bodyfat , you would had considered them massive.
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You posted pictures of guys all under 180lbs. [/quote]
They were under 180lb because of their height and contest shape. During the off season their well above 180lb.
Most natural pros now a days do not recommend going on this dirty 3 year bulks of not staying lean to gain the most amount of muscle. Lets not act like a natural doesnāt know a thing or two about getting huge.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Those guys all were extremely muscular. They were just able to do it without getting to a high body weight. I think that is more impressive than what you have done.[/quote]
Good for you.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
I thought we were talking about 10-15% or less bodyfat.[/quote]
Why? I can tell how muscular someone is at āgasp 16% gaspā.[/quote]
Why?
Because one of these days Iād like to be a much larger version of myself, at 10-15% bodyfat.
I want to know whether Iāll get there faster via the ālean gainsā approach or the ābulk and cutā approach.
Iām pretty sure Iām not the only one.
But thatās why I care.[/quote]
I know thats why you care. Iāve tried both approaches myself. Bulking is best for rapid gains. Itās just common sense, give your body everything it needs and more and it will grow. Once youāve built up a base of muscle and conditioning, then the game changes a little bit. You can stay leaner eating the same calories you were once bulking with. So the increase in calories as a percentage of your total intake is less.
Heres a fact. You need adequate glycogen at all times to maintain cellular hydration, since this acts as a light switch for protein synthesis. You also need insulin, since this is once of the most anabolic hormones your body has. This is even more important when youāre natural. No insulin equals no growth. You get a higher insulin level from eating more food, be it from fats, carbs or protein.
Dairy is insulinogenic. That means it stimulates a higher insulin response than the sum of the carbs,fats and proteins that its made from. Its actually much higher.
If you canāt get your head round that and grow, then nothing will help you.
Ive posted old time strongmen loads of times now but ill refer again to arthur saxon. 5 10, 220 and lean (not by competitive BB standards). Read up on what he used to eat in a day. This was before steroids even existed.
All the old time strongmen ate a shitload, trained a shitload with compound lifts and thats about it. They werenāt counting calories, macros or monitoring their 300 extra calories for the day. Or carbing up, or going ketogenic or anything. Simples
Iād love to hear someone from this time period telling them about lean gains and how they should just eat chicken and salad and watch him laugh in their face, then one arm bent press them.
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheDon12 wrote:
I provided you with pics of guys that have bulked up staying lean. If they were to have been around the same bodyfat , you would had considered them massive.
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You posted pictures of guys all under 180lbs. [/quote]
They were under 180lb because of their height and contest shape. During the off season their well above 180lb.
Most natural pros now a days do not recommend going on this dirty 3 year bulks of not staying lean to gain the most amount of muscle. Lets not act like a natural doesnāt know a thing or two about getting huge.[/quote]
Them bin natural alone doesnāt mean shit.
This is about what makes YOU alone huge. You only follow what other people do if it works for you.
Yeah, I donāt think X quite gets it. Must be a reading comprehension issue. If all of the guys listed were in off season, I imagine they would weigh quite a bit more. Also, wasnāt one of them Xās height, a bit over 200, and really lean? Hm, seems pretty impressive to me. I doubt X would be boasting much better stats at the level of leanness those guys were at. He has no plans to compete, though, so that is irrelevant and can never be proven. Oh, well. Mighty convenient for X.
Also, for the record: Iām 6ā1" and 243 pounds. Nothing great. However, I did reach that weight in a little over a year from about 180. So, about a 60 pound gain. Thanks for pointing out how challenging that was at my height, X. Nice to see that you arenāt afraid to acknowledge othersā progress.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Can we PLEASE stop responding to Princess Xeah.
His buns are wrapped too tightly.
This will keep going around and around in pointless circles.
Just stick to the original topic and lets skip over the blatant attempts to turn this into a thread littered with 2 year old pictures of your royal highness. [/quote]
Re post[/quote]
Re posting again [/quote]
Ummm sir you should read your own post ;)[/quote]
NEVER!!![/quote]
I will do what this post wants and not reply to his last ridiculous response. Feels good
[/quote]
Really?
If this starts catching on Iām in and will be right there with you.
Itās like a good old fashioned Sit In.
Can I say that? You know, being a white and all?
Passive peaceful resistance to the tyranny.[/quote]
You will most likely be called racist for that but I know better no worries
Boycot!!!
@MassiveGuns-This has never been about whether or not an individual is giving his body what it needs to grow. Do you really think that, just because someone is lean gaining, they arenāt making sure they are feeding their body right? Seriously? They just arenāt overfeeding it in some futile attempt to force more muscular gains. Bro-science much?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Can we PLEASE stop responding to Princess Xeah.
His buns are wrapped too tightly.
This will keep going around and around in pointless circles.
Just stick to the original topic and lets skip over the blatant attempts to turn this into a thread littered with 2 year old pictures of your royal highness. [/quote]
Re post[/quote]
Re posting again [/quote]
Ummm sir you should read your own post ;)[/quote]
NEVER!!![/quote]
I will do what this post wants and not reply to his last ridiculous response. Feels good
[/quote]
Really?
If this starts catching on Iām in and will be right there with you.
Itās like a good old fashioned Sit In.
Can I say that? You know, being a white and all?
Passive peaceful resistance to the tyranny.[/quote]
You will most likely be called racist for that but I know better no worries
Boycot!!![/quote]
Sit in!
Sit in!
Sit in!
Sit in!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajhb.1310060509/abstract
Sumos have more muscle than bodybuildersā¦ What does that tell you?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Can we PLEASE stop responding to Princess Xeah.
His buns are wrapped too tightly.
This will keep going around and around in pointless circles.
Just stick to the original topic and lets skip over the blatant attempts to turn this into a thread littered with 2 year old pictures of your royal highness. [/quote]
Re post[/quote]
Re posting again [/quote]
Ummm sir you should read your own post ;)[/quote]
NEVER!!![/quote]
I will do what this post wants and not reply to his last ridiculous response. Feels good
[/quote]
Really?
If this starts catching on Iām in and will be right there with you.
Itās like a good old fashioned Sit In.
Can I say that? You know, being a white and all?
Passive peaceful resistance to the tyranny.[/quote]
You will most likely be called racist for that but I know better no worries
Boycot!!![/quote]
Woah, guys, we better watch out. We are going to get accused of being in the KKK at this rate. We better start talking about how great Johnnie Jackson is or something to clear our names.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I wear the same gym clothes many days just a clean shirt.
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Wearing the same clothes to the gym multiple days in a row is gross.
Cleanliness is next to godliness.
I guess if you avoid cardio like the plague you wonāt sweat and can get away with that.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am always clean. I donāt even wear gym clothes twiceā¦so what are you talking about?[/quote]
What I am talking about is the part where you said you wear te same clothes to the gym many days just a clean shirt.[/quote]
MIND.BLOWN!