Part 2: What Naturals are Truly Capable Of

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
It is correct to understand that certain variables can have an effect on how much can be synthesized at a certain point (age, stress, experience levels, etc), BUT even within those specific guidelines (whatever they may be), at any given time, you still can’t force feed growth. Your nutrient NEEDS may indeed be more at a given time than at others, and you can certainly do your best to address them, but there will still be a finite point within a chosen period.

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It isn’t and never has been about your concept of “forcing growth”. It is about understanding how responsive and adaptable your body is at different stages through the life of an individual and taking full advantage to see the most growth.

Let me know if you want to discuss this further as it seems you continue using “forcing growth” when I don’t see anyone writing it out in that way.

Maybe the discussion would go better if you understood that this is NOT what is being discussed.[/quote]

I don’t know if it was directed at you… but there are plenty of [noobs] who actually DO think you can force growth, based on stuff written on other sites, blogs and just general misunderstanding of the whole “bulking” process. Just simple stuff like “if one steak helps me grow, then two steaks will help me grow more”.

I’ve never seen you advocate anything more than basically “eat enough so that the nutrients are there when your body needs them”.[/quote]

Why would what someone else writes on another forum mean anything to me though?[/quote]

Hahahahaha…maybe, not every post is ABOUT YOU or FOR YOU! I mean jeezus, how many people share this forum? Tens of thousands?

Summary
PX: Why you all saying I promote “force feeding?”
Other: No, no, no. We’re talking about newbs who think it’s a good idea. We know that’s not your motif. Move along.
PX: What does that have to do with ME?
Other: MOVE ALONG!

So guys can we get this thread back on track and make every post about Prof X again? You know, just like the true golden era of TNation.

This is too amusing to watch these days.

in B4 “But here’s a reason why it WAS ABOUT ME!”

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Soooo yeah. Pre-steriod era has some legitimate beasts, so it’s absolutely possible to be a beast natty. Genetics are just as relevant. Ratios are the same. The figures are just smaller.

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But just wanted to say that the guys who did weigh 210 pounds on less on stage (your criteria and weights based off your list) were also short i.e. 5’8 or less

4 Lee Labrada 176 (5’6")
11 Mohamed Benaziza 188 (height: 5’3")
13 Shawn Ray 201 1/2 (height: 5’6")
14 Mike Ashley 189 1/2 (height: 5’7")
15 Al Beckles 200 (5’7")

The others were (according to your list)over 210 pounds so I didnt bother to check out.

I agree that 200 pounds stage weight at 5’8’ for a lifetime natural is probably ridiculous. And save for Rattlehead, Lanky, Ryan, Utah and some others on this site, the bulk (tee hee) of posters/readers range from SHORT to REALLY SHORT so yeah I agree with what you’re saying to them. PX is allegedly normal height (5’10"-5’11") though, so yeah he is going to carry more lean mass than a 5’6" poster at a similar level of development (say Heavythrower).

If/when he diets down to all abs-in, PX WILL most likely be in Bluecollartr8n’s realm (adjusted for height, of course)… not CT.

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I dont know if this is a legit thread anymore, but I’d thought I’d weigh in anyway because I havent seen this kind of stuff posted during my time browsing the thread.

Here is the competitor list for the 1988 Mr Olympia Contest, with each competitors weight listed. Each competitor is MOST CERTAINLY on drugs, and given that they are shredded to the bone here (and likely using diuretics) this list probably gives us a good list of what their true LBM is

1 Lee Haney 243 1/4
2 Rich Gaspari 209 1/2
3 Berry DeMey 227
4 Lee Labrada 176
5 Gary Strydom 229
6 Mike Quinn 204
7 Brian Buchanan 210
8 Samir Bannout 205
9 Ron Love 222 1/2
10 Bob Paris 226
11 Mohamed Benaziza 188
12 Phil Hill 222 1/2
13 Shawn Ray 201 1/2
14 Mike Ashley 189 1/2
15 Al Beckles 200
16 Ed Kawak 215
17 Robby Robinson 216 1/2
18 Peter Hensel 240 1/2
19 Luiz Freitas 219 1/2
20 Ralf Moeller 288

And just to add an extra competitor, Frank Zane used to compete at 180-185

Lets take a look at a few of the more interesting numbers from my point of view

Mike Ashley, Lee Labrada, and Rich Gaspari, Shawn Ray, Al Beckles, Mike Quinn, Samir Bannout

So here you have 7 guys who are all juiced to the gills, and have been for years and years, and are among the genetically elite (I think its safe to assume anyone on the O stage qualifies for that title)… and the heaviest one is tipping the scales at 210

210 pounds. ALL of the guys are coming in under this (the only notably short exception is Labrada is 5’6". I believe everyone else is over 5’8")

So if there is ANY discussion as to NATURALS with more than 210 pounds of LEAN mass… You really must be something because you are outdoing the best of the best in the world when they are on huge amounts of drugs.

If you are a natural of around 5’8-ish height and you have thoughts that your “stage weight” is at or around 200 pounds… You might want to rethink that number just a tad bit. Pull up a pic of Al Beckles and tell me if thats about what you would look like dieted down.

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Thanks for taking the time to find and list their heights, as that is an important point of distinction. It would make the difference of several pounds in your favor if you are heavier than them.

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My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there. [/quote]

Oh yes sir I have seen some natty’s who are absolutely shredded to the bone. Just like you said not as big or thick at his height.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there. [/quote]

Oh yes sir I have seen some natty’s who are absolutely shredded to the bone. Just like you said not as big or thick at his height.[/quote]

No way they can touch his size that’s why lol at MGs amazing friend

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there. [/quote]

Oh yes sir I have seen some natty’s who are absolutely shredded to the bone. Just like you said not as big or thick at his height.[/quote]

No way they can touch his size that’s why lol at MGs amazing friend [/quote]

You’re just mad you’ve never seen a 14" dick, MG wouldn’t lie.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there. [/quote]

Oh yes sir I have seen some natty’s who are absolutely shredded to the bone. Just like you said not as big or thick at his height.[/quote]

No way they can touch his size that’s why lol at MGs amazing friend [/quote]

You’re just mad you’ve never seen a 14" dick, MG wouldn’t lie.[/quote]

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there. [/quote]

Oh yes sir I have seen some natty’s who are absolutely shredded to the bone. Just like you said not as big or thick at his height.[/quote]

No way they can touch his size that’s why lol at MGs amazing friend [/quote]

You’re just mad you’ve never seen a 14" dick, MG wouldn’t lie.[/quote]

MG knows a thing or two about other dudes business that’s for sure

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there. [/quote]

Oh yes sir I have seen some natty’s who are absolutely shredded to the bone. Just like you said not as big or thick at his height.[/quote]

No way they can touch his size that’s why lol at MGs amazing friend [/quote]

You’re just mad you’ve never seen a 14" dick, MG wouldn’t lie.[/quote]
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/302/739/b76.gif[/quote]

I am disappoint…was fully expecting 14" dick gif…

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
My training partner is 5’7 and competes at 205. He is on every drug pros are on and looks massive on stage. I just don’t see how a person truly natural could ever look this thick and shredded.[/quote]

They won’t look as thick. They can get as shredded or more certianly but no way in hell a natty would be near that weight/size at 5’7. Agreed there. [/quote]

Oh yes sir I have seen some natty’s who are absolutely shredded to the bone. Just like you said not as big or thick at his height.[/quote]

No way they can touch his size that’s why lol at MGs amazing friend [/quote]

You’re just mad you’ve never seen a 14" dick, MG wouldn’t lie.[/quote]
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/302/739/b76.gif[/quote]

I am disappoint…was fully expecting 14" dick gif…[/quote]
I’ve lost it