I think the Vikings had been to the American northeast as early as the 10th or 11th century.
In your house would you take care of the needs of people you don’t know from another state before taking care of your family members?
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Bauber, it depends on what value you have to sacrifice at the expense of another. For example, if I am a surgeon and a migrant child needs an emergency operation and I am the only surgeon at the moment, I will operate on that child, even if it slows me down and I am late to bring dinner to my children and my wife. And they stay hungry for 2-3 hours. But of course I will not sacrifice value to the same extent for the benefit of migrants.
How much do you donate each year to immigration causes? How many hours have you spent volunteering for such causes? How many immigrants have you volunteered to house out of your empathy? Just asking for a friend.
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Roughly 5% of my gross income.
Probably 12-16 months of full time work over the course of my adult life when you add it all up. Admittedly, this includes some time spent on issues only tangentially related to immigration, such as global poverty, child labor, and domestic programs helping underserved members of the community (many of which were immigrants but some who were not).
None.
My main point is we have US citizens that need this help.
Our government isn’t supposed to be sacrificing our money and hard work in favor of non-citizens over citizens.
Again, until every US citizen is taken care of, the needs of non-citizens are irrelevant to me.
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I know my family members and have personal relationships with them. When it comes to strangers, their geographic location has no bearing on how much I do or do not care about them.
I think this point of view makes sense from a policy perspective. You can make a strong argument that the singular role of the government of any country is to provide for its citizens.
Of course, you do run into edge cases like the one we’re discussing, where non-citizens are being detained by the government. What exactly is the government supposed to do… let them starve to death in captivity because there are citizens somewhere else who could use the food?
This is the part that I struggle with. It just seems weird to care about one group of strangers and not another because of where they were born. Plus, what does “taken care of” mean in this context?
For instance, virtually no American lives in the kind of poverty that is rampant in parts of India, Nepal, or Africa where children literally starve to death or succumb to easily-treatable diseases like diarrhea. Does this mean that our government should be spending MORE resources on addressing global poverty because our citizens are “taken care of”, in so far as we don’t have a rampant problem of children dying in the streets? Or are we only “taken care of” when every single American has a good job, a nice place to live, reliable internet access, etc? So as long as there are people living paycheck to paycheck and working into their 70s and 80s, it doesn’t make sense to care about the atrocities that occur every day outside of our borders?
I don’t have the answers to these questions, by the way. I’m just saying that your absolutist position is kind of strange to me, and pointing out that it might not be as clearcut as it appears on its surface.
Marine Grunt checking in… It would be akin to clubbing baby seals.
But consider its the leftist vermin most likely to bark up the wrong tree. Ever watch videos of these Antifa mutants ?
12 years military. Marines then army… We “struggle” because we still consider collateral damage. A Stan is a collateral nightmare. Our arsenal could level it. Ive seen the destruction. Absolutely awe inspiring.
Your average leftist parasite hates America and its people
Better than expected.
Why not?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but here is the difference. I am not stopping you from donating the 5% you donate to immigrants. Kudos to you for your empathy. But you are asking ME to use my tax dollars to support those ILLEGAL immigrants just the same? Why do you think this is fair? As far as I’m aware their is no requirement for being empathic in any law but their are laws about crossing the border.
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I don’t believe anybody stated they cared more for one group or another. I personally don’t like most social welfare services unless extended to the most extreme circumstances. But I pay taxes AS THE LAW requires. I don’t want those taxes going to law breakers. Period. What if I stopped paying my taxes? I would be breaking the law but I would also be labeled a something awful in addition to that, I guarantee it, due to my race, age, and gender.
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Mostly because I’ve spent the majority of my adult life living in small studio and one bedroom apartments, or sharing a place with roommates. I’ve also never had an illegal immigrant asked to crash on my couch. Not sure how I’d respond if that happened haha.
In this specific case, what is the alternative? Not feed the babies being held in detention centers? There may not be any laws mandating empathy, but I’m pretty sure you could find some precedent surrounding the need to feed prisoners and detainees – even if they were born outside of the country.
Not holding immigrants. Send them back. Correction. Stop them from crossing first would be preferable.
Quite correct.
This makes sense to me. I don’t know enough of immigration law or policy to say its for sure the right course of action, but it does make some intuitive sense.
This, on the other hand, is abhorrent. The best we’re going to be able to do is agree to disagree here.
I would agree but …
…now you are labeling me and/or my thoughts. Its right out of the leftist play book. Not only do you have to behave a certain way but you have to “think like me” too. I mean I could label you a ton of things. But I won’t. You have the right to bleed your heart out. But you don’t have the right to make my think like you.
What in the world made you think I’m a leftist? haha. I did not think “civilized nations shouldn’t let infants held in captivity starve to death” was a political position.
I don’t know for sure but you’re using leftist tactics. Non secured borders are typically championed by leftist in the USA. What else should I assume?
This is all I know about you other than you’re also an immigrant in a foreign country.
I wouldn’t ever let a child starve, citizen or not.
Adults can figure out their own shit like the rest of us have, but children will always pull on my heart strings.
My wife has been a 5th grade teacher for 15 years now in the public school system. I have a running deal (not touting my horn or saying I’m a good person) with the schools in my district to pay off any kids lunch bill. It amazed me how many kids were being sent to school by their “parents” without food or money to eat.
I organized a group of business owners and wealthy folks - 8 of us and we take turns paying off the lunch debts for the schools in our county.
Children and vets are where my empathy rests.
Once you have a child in a certain situation created by your own government of course you can’t let them starve, but the crux is that environment to foster such a situation should have never occurred.
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