Looks like Pacquiao’s brain had enough of the shakes and the bump and grind…
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
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Actually that’s most likely what happened. I almost teared up myself. Just like when RJJ got KO’d by Tarver.
To me it’s like this: Mexicans have Chavez, Barrera, Morales, Marquez and now Canelo. African Americans, have Ali, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Tyson, RJJ, Mayweather JR, and now Broner. My point is there will always be a top Mexican or African American fighter down the line. When’s the last time a Filipino fighter has been as exciting as Pacquiao or going to be as exciting? I can’t think of one off hand. Donaire is good, but he isn’t at Pac level, not even close.
I can say Pac put Filipinos on the map.[/quote]
And one last thing - those guys you mentioned aren’t Afro-Americans, they’re Americans. RJJ, Floyd, Leonard - these are guys that fought in the Olympics for America, and regardless of their skin color they’re American men that ALL of us root for. Just to clarify[/quote]
True. I thought I was being politically correct. I’ve heard a person get offended when a person used black instead of Afro-American.[/quote]
I think his point was that you should use the term American (or whatever nation they represent) rather than a term than identifies one by his race, be it Afro-American or black.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Looks like Pacquiao’s brain had enough of the shakes and the bump and grind…
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2012/12/14/885883/pacquiao-suspended-undergo-brain-test[/quote]
Daaaaaaaammmmmnnnn four fights with Marquez. He needs to retire we don’t need another RJJ. On to the next guy who everybody claims is better than Mayweather
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
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Actually that’s most likely what happened. I almost teared up myself. Just like when RJJ got KO’d by Tarver.
To me it’s like this: Mexicans have Chavez, Barrera, Morales, Marquez and now Canelo. African Americans, have Ali, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Tyson, RJJ, Mayweather JR, and now Broner. My point is there will always be a top Mexican or African American fighter down the line. When’s the last time a Filipino fighter has been as exciting as Pacquiao or going to be as exciting? I can’t think of one off hand. Donaire is good, but he isn’t at Pac level, not even close.
I can say Pac put Filipinos on the map.[/quote]
And one last thing - those guys you mentioned aren’t Afro-Americans, they’re Americans. RJJ, Floyd, Leonard - these are guys that fought in the Olympics for America, and regardless of their skin color they’re American men that ALL of us root for. Just to clarify[/quote]
True. I thought I was being politically correct. I’ve heard a person get offended when a person used black instead of Afro-American.[/quote]
I think his point was that you should use the term American (or whatever nation they represent) rather than a term than identifies one by his race, be it Afro-American or black. [/quote]
Yes, I know they’re Americans. I understood his point, but typing away and betting on football games, I didn’t have time to clarify.
My point original point was that they’re always be a top boxer of Mexican or black descent coming down the line. At this time, not so for Filipinos. Sorry if anyone thought that if you’re Mexican or Black, you should only root for those fighters.
By the way, I hope Pac retires. Gotta give 100% to boxing if you’re going to continue.
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
.[/quote]
Actually that’s most likely what happened. I almost teared up myself. Just like when RJJ got KO’d by Tarver.
To me it’s like this: Mexicans have Chavez, Barrera, Morales, Marquez and now Canelo. African Americans, have Ali, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Tyson, RJJ, Mayweather JR, and now Broner. My point is there will always be a top Mexican or African American fighter down the line. When’s the last time a Filipino fighter has been as exciting as Pacquiao or going to be as exciting? I can’t think of one off hand. Donaire is good, but he isn’t at Pac level, not even close.
I can say Pac put Filipinos on the map.[/quote]
And one last thing - those guys you mentioned aren’t Afro-Americans, they’re Americans. RJJ, Floyd, Leonard - these are guys that fought in the Olympics for America, and regardless of their skin color they’re American men that ALL of us root for. Just to clarify[/quote]
True. I thought I was being politically correct. I’ve heard a person get offended when a person used black instead of Afro-American.[/quote]
I think his point was that you should use the term American (or whatever nation they represent) rather than a term than identifies one by his race, be it Afro-American or black. [/quote]
Yes, I know they’re Americans. I understood his point, but typing away and betting on football games, I didn’t have time to clarify.
My point original point was that they’re always be a top boxer of Mexican or black descent coming down the line. At this time, not so for Filipinos. Sorry if anyone thought that if you’re Mexican or Black, you should only root for those fighters.
By the way, I hope Pac retires. Gotta give 100% to boxing if you’re going to continue.
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Ahh don’t worry. There will be more. Count on it. After Donaire and Pac, promoters are going to be way more willing to take a chance on a Filipino than they might have before.
All it takes is one man.
I think there will be plenty of Filipinos in the game for years to come. Hell, there’s still Irish fighters left, and the twilight of our prominence was years ago.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Looks like Pacquiao’s brain had enough of the shakes and the bump and grind…
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2012/12/14/885883/pacquiao-suspended-undergo-brain-test[/quote]
Haha… “When he opened his eyes he had to ask his trainer, Buboy Fernandez, if the fight was over.”
There have always been pro boxing world champions from the former Soviet Union’s republics and Russia itself, and twice Olympic and twice amateur world champion Ukrainian Vasily Lomachenko just now is coming to a pro boxing!.. I believe in two years he will dominate 61 kg weight division leaving no chances to any Afro-American, Mexican, or Filipino boxer… unfortunately pro boxing is 45 % about promoters and business and only the rest depends on boxers…
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
There have always been pro boxing world champions from the former Soviet Union’s republics and Russia itself, and twice Olympic and twice amateur world champion Ukrainian Vasily Lomachenko just now is coming to a pro boxing!.. I believe in two years he will dominate 61 kg weight division leaving no chances to any Afro-American, Mexican, or Filipino boxer… unfortunately pro boxing is 45 % about promoters and business and only the rest depends on boxers…[/quote]
…yeah that KO was crazy though…
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
There have always been pro boxing world champions from the former Soviet Union’s republics and Russia itself, and twice Olympic and twice amateur world champion Ukrainian Vasily Lomachenko just now is coming to a pro boxing!.. I believe in two years he will dominate 61 kg weight division leaving no chances to any Afro-American, Mexican, or Filipino boxer… unfortunately pro boxing is 45 % about promoters and business and only the rest depends on boxers…[/quote]
…yeah that KO was crazy though…[/quote]
Nothing crazy, it’s boxing wearing thin gloves and taped hands, and the boxers are top hitters in the world… sooner or later it happens, and they have plenty of rounds to catch each other… but when Lomachenko enters the game you will see even more impressive knock outs… he is even able to knock down in those extremely well padded safe structure amateur gloves, without taped hands…
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
he is even able to knock down in those extremely well padded safe structure amateur gloves, without taped hands…
[/quote]
Is he not taping his hands? Every amateur fighter I have ever met tapes their hands under their gloves.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
he is even able to knock down in those extremely well padded safe structure amateur gloves, without taped hands…
[/quote]
Is he not taping his hands? Every amateur fighter I have ever met tapes their hands under their gloves.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
nope, amateurs only wrap their hands, not tape them… in AIBA amateur competitions taping hands isn’t allowed, although I think it would not even have the same effect as when pro boxers tape wearing those gloves they fight in.
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
There have always been pro boxing world champions from the former Soviet Union’s republics and Russia itself, and twice Olympic and twice amateur world champion Ukrainian Vasily Lomachenko just now is coming to a pro boxing!.. I believe in two years he will dominate 61 kg weight division leaving no chances to any Afro-American, Mexican, or Filipino boxer… unfortunately pro boxing is 45 % about promoters and business and only the rest depends on boxers…[/quote]
…yeah that KO was crazy though…[/quote]
Nothing crazy, it’s boxing wearing thin gloves and taped hands, and the boxers are top hitters in the world… sooner or later it happens, and they have plenty of rounds to catch each other… but when Lomachenko enters the game you will see even more impressive knock outs… he is even able to knock down in those extremely well padded safe structure amateur gloves, without taped hands…
[/quote]
Yeah it was like he walked right into that right hand from Marquez…cray cray
Lomachenko is already world class. Delighted he has gone pro. Should be an exciting few years watching him come through.
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
he is even able to knock down in those extremely well padded safe structure amateur gloves, without taped hands…
[/quote]
Is he not taping his hands? Every amateur fighter I have ever met tapes their hands under their gloves.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
nope, amateurs only wrap their hands, not tape them… in AIBA amateur competitions taping hands isn’t allowed, although I think it would not even have the same effect as when pro boxers tape wearing those gloves they fight in.
[/quote]
Well, I just learned something new. In the US it looks like both are legal, so that explains why I am so used to seeing tape.
Link to U.S. Olympic Team rule book:
[quote]Section 103.5 of Rule book reads:
Bandages (hand wraps) and tape specifications
(1) The purpose of bandages is to protect a boxerâ??s hands, not to add force to a
blow.
(2) For competitions within the United States, each boxer shall wear hand wraps
that are made of cotton gauze, or soft surgical gauze, or velpeau (velpeau
use reference (3) below).
(a) Cotton/soft surgical gauze - 15 yards of 2-inch gauze and a minimum of
3 feet, and a maximum of 6 feet of 1 inch adhesive tape per hand. The
tape must be applied 1 inch behind the knuckles. Only 3/4 inch tape may
be applied between fingers and may not cover the striking surface of the
hand.
FIGURES 14.3
(b) Velpeau - A boxer electing to use Velpeau is allowed to use a minimum
of 3 feet, and a maximum of 6 feet of 1-inch adhesive tape per hand.
(3) For International Competitions, each boxer shall wear hand wraps that are
made of Velpeau.
(a) Velpeau - All weights, up to 2.5 meters (equivalent to 8 feet 2 1/4 inches),
with a strip of 1 inch adhesive tape by 8 inches in length which may
secure the bandages around the wrist.
(4) Only the above substances may be used on the hand.
[/quote]
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
he is even able to knock down in those extremely well padded safe structure amateur gloves, without taped hands…
[/quote]
Is he not taping his hands? Every amateur fighter I have ever met tapes their hands under their gloves.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
nope, amateurs only wrap their hands, not tape them… in AIBA amateur competitions taping hands isn’t allowed, although I think it would not even have the same effect as when pro boxers tape wearing those gloves they fight in.
[/quote]
Well, I just learned something new. In the US it looks like both are legal, so that explains why I am so used to seeing tape.
Link to U.S. Olympic Team rule book:
[quote]Section 103.5 of Rule book reads:
Bandages (hand wraps) and tape specifications
(1) The purpose of bandages is to protect a boxerâ??s hands, not to add force to a
blow.
(2) For competitions within the United States, each boxer shall wear hand wraps
that are made of cotton gauze, or soft surgical gauze, or velpeau (velpeau
use reference (3) below).
(a) Cotton/soft surgical gauze - 15 yards of 2-inch gauze and a minimum of
3 feet, and a maximum of 6 feet of 1 inch adhesive tape per hand. The
tape must be applied 1 inch behind the knuckles. Only 3/4 inch tape may
be applied between fingers and may not cover the striking surface of the
hand.
FIGURES 14.3
(b) Velpeau - A boxer electing to use Velpeau is allowed to use a minimum
of 3 feet, and a maximum of 6 feet of 1-inch adhesive tape per hand.
(3) For International Competitions, each boxer shall wear hand wraps that are
made of Velpeau.
(a) Velpeau - All weights, up to 2.5 meters (equivalent to 8 feet 2 1/4 inches),
with a strip of 1 inch adhesive tape by 8 inches in length which may
secure the bandages around the wrist.
(4) Only the above substances may be used on the hand.
[/quote]
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Yes, it seems that in the USA amateur gloves’ standard is allowed to slightly vary from AIBA standard, and it looks that some partial taping is allowed but still - not cowering striking surface, and the length of the tape is very limited. While professionals are allowed to tape the whole hand including striking surface. But this could probably also vary from one federation to another:), and there are four of them, and some even have different weight divisions, I am sure you can find all the details if you have time:)