Pac vs Mosley Prediction

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
But I still would put my money on Pac at this point. He’s so damn fast.[/quote]

Well, this is why I do not think Mosely should step to his right and try to time Manny. Pac’s speed and footwork make that plan risky. I always felt cutting to an opponent’s inside favored the faster (hand speed, foot speed, and reaction time) fighter. That is not Shane in my eyes. Of course, the pro certainly knows far more about this than I do. Thanks for the update/response.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I thought cutting to the inside favors the stronger fighter. Unless your just racking up points. You really can’t gather the strength that comes from a full punch and snap on the inside. If you can take the punch and throw a harder one you have a much better chance inside. It’s just more scary, you need somebody with no fear or hesitation like Tyson in the 80s
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OK, I am probably doing a poor job of explaining myself so apologies in advance. I never intended to advocate hitting lightly, just getting there first with enough power. I do not think we are too far apart on this, since you stated not hesitating (I am reading that as “punch now, do not wait”).

When I say cutting inside I mean stepping towards the opponent’s rear foot side. The step could put you at true infighting range (where people who do not know how to hit close in get their punches smothered) or just in range. Regardless, I think it is important to land first, and with enough power to hurt or at least “bump” the other guy off balance so he is less of a threat to hurt you. If you get him falling away from you, or off balance, his defense is less likely to be effective and his punches will not be as powerful or accurate. Even if he just tightens up and eats the first shot that still gives you time to fire again, or step off and out of danger. So provided a fighter is not throwing pillows, I believe cutting inside to work better for the faster (hand speed, footwork, and reaction time) fighter.

Contrast this with stepping outside (towards an opponent’s forward side), where now he usually has to shift his stance or step in order to land solidly while you have immediate options. This extra movement gives you more time to counter or evade, and your angle usually allows you to land without any extra steps.

You mentioned a prime Tyson as an example of power dominating when stepping to the inside. I see him as an example of the primacy of speed. Here is a video of him dismantling Berbick for the title. Note that he lands first when he steps to his left.

Here is a video of Tyson vs Holyfield. I would argue Tyson is still the more powerful puncher, but Holyfield is winning the first shot when Tyson steps in and to his left.

Now obviously these are cherry picked examples and may not be an accurate representation of all cases. If they were then I would offer them as proof that Tyson winning results in better music than Holyfield winning, if you do not get that joke watch them with the sound on.

Regards,

Robert A

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Was reading some stuff over at ESPN and came across this gem in the comments…

“As good as Ray Leonard was I CAN imagine Pacquiao running around him in circles”

Lol.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Was reading some stuff over at ESPN and came across this gem in the comments…

“As good as Ray Leonard was I CAN imagine Pacquiao running around him in circles”

Lol.[/quote]

lol. Gotta be a Filipino that wrote that.
I hold Sugar above May and Pac any day.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Was reading some stuff over at ESPN and came across this gem in the comments…

“As good as Ray Leonard was I CAN imagine Pacquiao running around him in circles”

Lol.[/quote]

Had to be a filipino.

Fucking christ. Idiot.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Was reading some stuff over at ESPN and came across this gem in the comments…

“As good as Ray Leonard was I CAN imagine Pacquiao running around him in circles”

Lol.[/quote]

Had to be a filipino.

Fucking christ. Idiot.[/quote]

That really takes a lot of imagining. I mean, well above the typical “Robert A, you just won the lottery and beautiful women wish to take you to bed.” level of imagining.

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Can’t say I was particularly shocked by the outcome of the fight, but the press response has been surprisingly harsh on Mosley.

Pacman looked worse than I expected him too. I’m sure Mayweather was looking on.

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I just watched a few rounds but i even thought pacman was going to lose when i saw Mosley tripping him and the referee giving a knockdown count.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
I just watched a few rounds but i even thought pacman was going to lose when i saw Mosley tripping him and the referee giving a knockdown count.[/quote]

??

Did you really have it that close? I thought it was a shutout, not a beatdown by any means, but I though Manny did enough to win almost every round.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
I just watched a few rounds but i even thought pacman was going to lose when i saw Mosley tripping him and the referee giving a knockdown count.[/quote]

Just watched the fight right now. After Pac knocked down Mose in the 3rd round, Mose didn’t do much. For the rest of the fight, Mose looked like he was trying to survive than trying to win. This wasn’t a Pac fight by his standards (high punch output), but he did well enough to win every round. Actually, pretty boring fight.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
I just watched a few rounds but i even thought pacman was going to lose when i saw Mosley tripping him and the referee giving a knockdown count.[/quote]

??

Did you really have it that close? I thought it was a shutout, not a beatdown by any means, but I though Manny did enough to win almost every round. [/quote]

remember i said i watched just a few rounds, i watched only 1, 2, 11 and 12 on the time, that’s why i thought, oh he tripped and the referee gave him a knock down count, maybe they are toe to toe on the score cards, bummer.

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Mosley looked like shit as he did in the Mayweather fight. Very gun shy and gave the opponent way TOO much respect. I mean yeah you have to respect the explosiveness of Pac and the Ring Savy of Money, but to the point of freezing up? Mosley didn’t take any chances, and the worse part is Manny was opening up and leaving himself exposed trying to put on a show. In my opinion Mosley was done after the 2nd round of the Mayweather fight…and what the hell was with all the hi-5’s and glove touching he was giving Manny? round 1 and round 12 for glove touching is good enough.

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As for comparing performances, Manny showed he gets impatient and will open up. which is no good vs. Mayweather. Mayweather has a low Punch count, but he does it on purpose and he will see Manny open up and will attack at that point. That’s just an early assessment, I still don’t see the fight happening until my boy Money cleans up his legal troubles

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
As for comparing performances, Manny showed he gets impatient and will open up. which is no good vs. Mayweather. Mayweather has a low Punch count, but he does it on purpose and he will see Manny open up and will attack at that point. That’s just an early assessment, I still don’t see the fight happening until my boy Money cleans up his legal troubles [/quote]

This is what I was thinking. The press were compplaining virulently that Mosley refused to engage in an entertaining fight. WTF do they think Mayweather is going to do?

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
As for comparing performances, Manny showed he gets impatient and will open up. which is no good vs. Mayweather. Mayweather has a low Punch count, but he does it on purpose and he will see Manny open up and will attack at that point. That’s just an early assessment, I still don’t see the fight happening until my boy Money cleans up his legal troubles [/quote]

Well, Pac expected Mosely to come and bang and go toe to toe, so he trained for that. Pac knows how Mayweather fights. Everyone knows how Mayweather fights. So Pac will have a different gameplan.
I’ve always said a top Mayweather would win by decision over Pac. His timing, defense and jab are just awesome. But Pac has the stamina to pressure and hit Mayweather a lot.

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@FNF I agree about Pacs conditioning, it could be all he needs to beat Mayweather. If he avoids falling into FLoyds games, and fires away with much more solid defense, I can see him out pointing Money.

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Pac looked like shit, Mosley looked AWFUL.

He should never fight again.

I’m as confident as ever that Mayweather would utterly run a clinic on Pac if they fight.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Pac looked like shit, Mosley looked AWFUL.

He should never fight again.

I’m as confident as ever that Mayweather would utterly run a clinic on Pac if they fight.[/quote]

I think it would be a shame if this were Mosley’s last fight. I believe that if he is given an opponent who just wants to stand and deliver he will at least give a good account of himself. He’s always looked bad in fights that lack action and I think Pacquaio’s speed probably gave his withering reflexes a lot of trouble.

I agree that Manny has given us absolutely no reason to think he might beat Mayweather. I still think he would be an awkward opponent, but that is more out of guesswork than any analysis of his recent fights.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Pacman and Roach this past while. Particularly when Roach started talking about “shutting Marquez up”… which apparently means dragging him up to a weight we all know he’s shit at and beating the pudding out of him.

I’ve also lost a lot of respect for the American boxing press, who are fucking terrified to tread on the image of fucking cash-cow Pacquiao.

Anyway, enough of this… who wants to see B-Hop do the only thing he does better than winning fights? Time for some smack talk…

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167245-video-pascal-and-hopkins-engage-in-spirited-discussion

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Pac looked like shit, Mosley looked AWFUL.

He should never fight again.

I’m as confident as ever that Mayweather would utterly run a clinic on Pac if they fight.[/quote]

I think it would be a shame if this were Mosley’s last fight. I believe that if he is given an opponent who just wants to stand and deliver he will at least give a good account of himself. He’s always looked bad in fights that lack action and I think Pacquaio’s speed probably gave his withering reflexes a lot of trouble.

I agree that Manny has given us absolutely no reason to think he might beat Mayweather. I still think he would be an awkward opponent, but that is more out of guesswork than any analysis of his recent fights.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Pacman and Roach this past while. Particularly when Roach started talking about “shutting Marquez up”… which apparently means dragging him up to a weight we all know he’s shit at and beating the pudding out of him.

I’ve also lost a lot of respect for the American boxing press, who are fucking terrified to tread on the image of fucking cash-cow Pacquiao.

Anyway, enough of this… who wants to see B-Hop do the only thing he does better than winning fights? Time for some smack talk…

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167245-video-pascal-and-hopkins-engage-in-spirited-discussion[/quote]

I agree with all of this.

I for one, have not been skirting this sacred cow- I’ve lampooned him in most of the articles I’ve written, and the last one I wrote as well after this fight.

People are starting to turn I think.

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who do you write for Irish? Im interested in reading some of your articles.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Pac looked like shit, Mosley looked AWFUL.

He should never fight again.

I’m as confident as ever that Mayweather would utterly run a clinic on Pac if they fight.[/quote]

I’m one of the biggest Mayweather fans out there, been following him since his first pro fight. Will May go 12 rounds and win a decision over Pac? Yes. But run a clinic on him? No.

Hopkins will win. He should have won the first fight.