P-22 Test Tapering Thread

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
However since the primo doesn’t aromatise, and the masteron is an anti-e, you would get a sub-homeostatic level of E, which might not be a good thing…

You know that nothing in the DHT family has the ability to aromatize, right? So I mean, you can use almost any of them, on that theory…

Not really, I mean winstrol screws your joints and anavar is too expensive, plus anavar is oral which makes it hard to taper with and winstrol is a suspension (or an oral) which doesn’t display a classic half-life, therefore it too is unsuitable for tapering.[/quote]

Yes, really.

I thought you made your own gear? SO why is anavar so expensive for you? What do you mean that Winstrol doesn’t display a classic half life? Why would anavar be difficult to taper? you make your own gear, don’t you? Just make caps of descending doses.

Anyway, as I said, on your original comments, any DHT derivation would be suitable, not just masteron. What special properties does masteron have that other DHT derivatives do not share? Why not use proviron? Masteron screws up at least one person’s joints that I know of…(*JuicyR6, a mod elsewhere)

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
However since the primo doesn’t aromatise, and the masteron is an anti-e, you would get a sub-homeostatic level of E, which might not be a good thing…

You know that nothing in the DHT family has the ability to aromatize, right? So I mean, you can use almost any of them, on that theory…

Not really, I mean winstrol screws your joints and anavar is too expensive, plus anavar is oral which makes it hard to taper with and winstrol is a suspension (or an oral) which doesn’t display a classic half-life, therefore it too is unsuitable for tapering.

Yes, really.

I thought you made your own gear? SO why is anavar so expensive for you? What do you mean that Winstrol doesn’t display a classic half life? Why would anavar be difficult to taper? you make your own gear, don’t you? Just make caps of descending doses.

Anyway, as I said, on your original comments, any DHT derivation would be suitable, not just masteron. What special properties does masteron have that other DHT derivatives do not share? Why not use proviron? Masteron screws up at least one person’s joints that I know of…(*JuicyR6, a mod elsewhere) [/quote]

I hope bush boy doesn’t actually use steroids . He looks like he doesn’t even workout . If your making your own roid’s buddy your doing somthing wrong . Better cough up the dough for some real one’s . What do you use a bow-flex machine ? Might wanna try some push-ups Instead .

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[quote]jjay wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
However since the primo doesn’t aromatise, and the masteron is an anti-e, you would get a sub-homeostatic level of E, which might not be a good thing…

You know that nothing in the DHT family has the ability to aromatize, right? So I mean, you can use almost any of them, on that theory…

Not really, I mean winstrol screws your joints and anavar is too expensive, plus anavar is oral which makes it hard to taper with and winstrol is a suspension (or an oral) which doesn’t display a classic half-life, therefore it too is unsuitable for tapering.

Yes, really.

I thought you made your own gear? SO why is anavar so expensive for you? What do you mean that Winstrol doesn’t display a classic half life? Why would anavar be difficult to taper? you make your own gear, don’t you? Just make caps of descending doses.

Anyway, as I said, on your original comments, any DHT derivation would be suitable, not just masteron. What special properties does masteron have that other DHT derivatives do not share? Why not use proviron? Masteron screws up at least one person’s joints that I know of…(*JuicyR6, a mod elsewhere)

I hope bush boy doesn’t actually use steroids . He looks like he doesn’t even workout . If your making your own roid’s buddy your doing somthing wrong . Better cough up the dough for some real one’s . What do you use a bow-flex machine ? Might wanna try some push-ups Instead . [/quote]

jjay man, you leave me fuckin’ speachless. In this week alone you’ve disrespected in a big way, two of the top contributers on this site. Again, my jaw just drops from the lack of respect, I simply don’t get it.

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I am only defending myself from bushboy and the rest of them to for that matter. I was only kidding about p#22.Those jokes were from meet the parents .

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[quote]Tin Can wrote:
jjay wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
However since the primo doesn’t aromatise, and the masteron is an anti-e, you would get a sub-homeostatic level of E, which might not be a good thing…

You know that nothing in the DHT family has the ability to aromatize, right? So I mean, you can use almost any of them, on that theory…

Not really, I mean winstrol screws your joints and anavar is too expensive, plus anavar is oral which makes it hard to taper with and winstrol is a suspension (or an oral) which doesn’t display a classic half-life, therefore it too is unsuitable for tapering.

Yes, really.

I thought you made your own gear? SO why is anavar so expensive for you? What do you mean that Winstrol doesn’t display a classic half life? Why would anavar be difficult to taper? you make your own gear, don’t you? Just make caps of descending doses.

Anyway, as I said, on your original comments, any DHT derivation would be suitable, not just masteron. What special properties does masteron have that other DHT derivatives do not share? Why not use proviron? Masteron screws up at least one person’s joints that I know of…(*JuicyR6, a mod elsewhere)

I hope bush boy doesn’t actually use steroids . He looks like he doesn’t even workout . If your making your own roid’s buddy your doing somthing wrong . Better cough up the dough for some real one’s . What do you use a bow-flex machine ? Might wanna try some push-ups Instead .

jjay man, you leave me fuckin’ speachless. In this week alone you’ve disrespected in a big way, two of the top contributers on this site. Again, my jaw just drops from the lack of respect, I simply don’t get it.[/quote]

Dude, You are really looking like a fucking idiot. Stay out of it and read along because you are waayyyyy over your head here. Keep quiet and learn something here instead of insulting people you have no business insulting.

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[quote]jjay wrote:
I hope bush boy doesn’t actually use steroids . He looks like he doesn’t even workout . If your making your own roid’s buddy your doing somthing wrong . Better cough up the dough for some real one’s . What do you use a bow-flex machine ? Might wanna try some push-ups Instead . [/quote]

Are you serious? I’d take Bushy’s back over mine anyday. Of course its hard to see his back definition with such a small picture. I bet if he blew it up, it would look a lot better. Plus, you can see he has a nice V-taper.

Also, you say you are only joking around, yet you made a stupid comment. What was it again? Oh, here it is:

“Hey Anthony , Good work ! Don’t sweat 22 trying to pull rank on you cuz he is a nurse ! What are your opinions on the pro-hormones out now and the safest, most effective way to use them ?”

Yeah. You are only joking. Right. You are acting like a real tool and you seem to have tourettes or schizophrenia. One or the other. Maybe one day you will realize how stupid you have acted and you’ll be more than happy to let the guys here pass your future girlfriend around, in return for being an ass, and she’ll get banged like a Salvation Army drum.

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[quote]jjay wrote:
Prisoner#22 wrote:
jjay wrote:
Alright your test is at a normal range at 100 mg but it’s from injecting ? Your natural production is still down 50% at least ? Then the taper is over and you wait 4-6 weeks and start again. After a while can that cause permenant damage to your natural production ?

As you taper the exogenous test, your endogenous production increases to make up for any defincit in your body’s needs.

There is absolutely no damage done whatsoever, as the only drugs used is testosterone, and an anti E.

I believe you are qualified to answer this question .

Do you believe that shooting bodybuilding doses of test 9 months ( if my math is right ) out of the year . Year after year is not going to damage your body in any serious way ? Assuming all the precautions ? [/quote]

I replied to a thread about a month ago where I outlined the ‘real’ health risks of steroid use, and bodybuilding. It’s pretty detailed so I think you should search it out.

As for the health of your hpta, Here are some thoughs off the top of my head:

we know that as men age the degree of responsiveness of the testes to LH secretion decreases. This is a given. The studies I have seen (and I don’t have any at my fingertips right now) indicate that it is The receptiveness and responsiveness of the testes that diminishes, and that LH production remains pretty much unchanged.

So with that noted, I don’t see how using exogenous AAS will negatively impact the testes. Granted it causes gonadotropin suppression in varrying degrees, however at no time if cycles are constructed properly, is there any loss of libido, or loss of function.

I just don’t see how any damage at the testicular level could occur at the testicular level, other than of course from chronic abuse of HCG.

Bear in mind that it takes the body a while to recover from an AAS cycle. The tapering protocol iself with the waiting period is three months. But give the body time and it will readjust itself, our bodies are definitely by nature designed to be adaptive.

I havn’t seen any data to attribute a certain disease process of the testicles or pituitary that would cause permament suppression, as related to AAS. I have seen individuals who were long time users take a few years to recover to a stage where they felt as responsive ‘libido wise’ as they did pre AAS use, however you have to factor in a lot of things such as HCG use aging, compounds used, and pct.

Definitely a complicated subject. Obviously as men age from their 30’s to their 40’s, T levels begin to plumet, so declines can be attributed to this, as much as AAS use. It is also a good idea to try and get as much gains as you can naturally in your early twenties to take advantage of natural test levels, and wait to use AAS during your late twenties and thirties.

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[quote]jjay wrote:
I hope bush boy doesn’t actually use steroids . He looks like he doesn’t even workout . If your making your own roid’s buddy your doing somthing wrong . Better cough up the dough for some real one’s . What do you use a bow-flex machine ? Might wanna try some push-ups Instead . [/quote]

Hey punk, we are yet to see any photo’s of yourself and any video of you lifting. Why don’t you step up to the plate and post them.

Better yet post your address and we’ll come see for ourselves.

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[quote]trailrash wrote:
Tin Can wrote:
jjay wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
However since the primo doesn’t aromatise, and the masteron is an anti-e, you would get a sub-homeostatic level of E, which might not be a good thing…

You know that nothing in the DHT family has the ability to aromatize, right? So I mean, you can use almost any of them, on that theory…

Not really, I mean winstrol screws your joints and anavar is too expensive, plus anavar is oral which makes it hard to taper with and winstrol is a suspension (or an oral) which doesn’t display a classic half-life, therefore it too is unsuitable for tapering.

Yes, really.

I thought you made your own gear? SO why is anavar so expensive for you? What do you mean that Winstrol doesn’t display a classic half life? Why would anavar be difficult to taper? you make your own gear, don’t you? Just make caps of descending doses.

Anyway, as I said, on your original comments, any DHT derivation would be suitable, not just masteron. What special properties does masteron have that other DHT derivatives do not share? Why not use proviron? Masteron screws up at least one person’s joints that I know of…(*JuicyR6, a mod elsewhere)

I hope bush boy doesn’t actually use steroids . He looks like he doesn’t even workout . If your making your own roid’s buddy your doing somthing wrong . Better cough up the dough for some real one’s . What do you use a bow-flex machine ? Might wanna try some push-ups Instead .

jjay man, you leave me fuckin’ speachless. In this week alone you’ve disrespected in a big way, two of the top contributers on this site. Again, my jaw just drops from the lack of respect, I simply don’t get it.

Dude, You are really looking like a fucking idiot. Stay out of it and read along because you are waayyyyy over your head here. Keep quiet and learn something here instead of insulting people you have no business insulting.

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Man you’ve fallen off you fuckin’ rocker. “Keep quiet and learn something you say instead of insulting…” What the fuck? I didn’t even insult him dipshit. I said he was being disrespecful. Telling me to mind my own business? Why don’t you follow your own advice and do the same? So YOU shut the fuck up because now YOU are in over your head.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Tin Can - I could be wrong, but I think Trailrash was actually refering to our mutual friend jjay, not yourself…[/quote]

Well damn, if that’s the case, I offer my sincere apologies to Trailtrash. I guess I get confused when alot of us quote the text someone wrote and reply, then somoene quotes your reply with the previous texts, I’m not sure who the response was being directed at. So I guess that makes me the dipshit! It did seem weird for someone to defend another who keeps putting his foot in his mouth. But then again, you never know… Again, sorry dude!

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[quote]Tin Can wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Tin Can - I could be wrong, but I think Trailrash was actually refering to our mutual friend jjay, not yourself…

Well damn, if that’s the case, I offer my sincere apologies to Trailtrash. I guess I get confused when alot of us quote the text someone wrote and reply, then somoene quotes your reply with the previous texts, I’m not sure who the response was being directed at. So I guess that makes me the dipshit! It did seem weird for someone to defend another who keeps putting his foot in his mouth. But then again, you never know… Again, sorry dude!
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He is right about that tincan . I don’t know what you mean about being in over my head . And as far as shuting up an learning somthing . Fuck that , they need to learn somthing from me . I’m not dumb enough to use steroid’s .

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
jjay wrote:
I hope bush boy doesn’t actually use steroids . He looks like he doesn’t even workout . If your making your own roid’s buddy your doing somthing wrong . Better cough up the dough for some real one’s . What do you use a bow-flex machine ? Might wanna try some push-ups Instead .

Are you serious? I’d take Bushy’s back over mine anyday. Of course its hard to see his back definition with such a small picture. I bet if he blew it up, it would look a lot better. Plus, you can see he has a nice V-taper.

Also, you say you are only joking around, yet you made a stupid comment. What was it again? Oh, here it is:

“Hey Anthony , Good work ! Don’t sweat 22 trying to pull rank on you cuz he is a nurse ! What are your opinions on the pro-hormones out now and the safest, most effective way to use them ?”

Yeah. You are only joking. Right. You are acting like a real tool and you seem to have tourettes or schizophrenia. One or the other. Maybe one day you will realize how stupid you have acted and you’ll be more than happy to let the guys here pass your future girlfriend around, in return for being an ass, and she’ll get banged like a Salvation Army drum.[/quote]

That is not a stupid comment , P#22 was trying to pull rank on him over schooling like that wins him the arguement . I said nurse instead of school so what .

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[quote]jjay wrote:
I’m not dumb enough to use steroid’s . [/quote]

But you are probably dumb enough to think that prohormones and orals are “safer” than mild injectable AAS.

Well, whatever. I’m done with you. This thread was towards P22’s Theory and you turned the spotlight on you. How disrespectful.

Like I said, I’m done with you.

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[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Anthony Roberts wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
However since the primo doesn’t aromatise, and the masteron is an anti-e, you would get a sub-homeostatic level of E, which might not be a good thing…

You know that nothing in the DHT family has the ability to aromatize, right? So I mean, you can use almost any of them, on that theory…

Not really, I mean winstrol screws your joints and anavar is too expensive, plus anavar is oral which makes it hard to taper with and winstrol is a suspension (or an oral) which doesn’t display a classic half-life, therefore it too is unsuitable for tapering.

Yes, really.

I thought you made your own gear? SO why is anavar so expensive for you? What do you mean that Winstrol doesn’t display a classic half life? Why would anavar be difficult to taper? you make your own gear, don’t you? Just make caps of descending doses.

Anyway, as I said, on your original comments, any DHT derivation would be suitable, not just masteron. What special properties does masteron have that other DHT derivatives do not share? Why not use proviron? Masteron screws up at least one person’s joints that I know of…(*JuicyR6, a mod elsewhere) [/quote]

Tony…you know the reasons/answers for all the questions you posed to bushy there. Come on bro, you use, you research and write, and beyond that i assume that you are somewhat practical…you know the reasons he gave for no winny and var are legit.

We both know you are not a stupid guy…you shouldn’t need to argue for the sake of argument. this one here applies IMO.

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JJ…

bro…have a little respect and keep on topic. there is a thread in this forum for people like you to vent in…keep that type of stuff confined to there.

This thread is about P-22’s taper theory. if you have a beef with the method and have an intelligent response/question, do so…like a few others have. nothing wrong with intelligent discussion (AR acheives this most of the time with his posts…which is good for a thread like this)…but what you’re doing is BS.

and you also made a comment about “not being stupid enough to juice”…yet you hug Anthony’s balls in this thread a little…and guess what…he juices…a lot. think about it you hypocrite.

just no reason to make personal attacks and insults and shit on that level without just provocation, and you have received none. keep the jihad confined to the other thread.

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In the end, it’s speculation that’s at the heart of this. it’s pure speculation that x amount of weeks at y dose will allow z amount of your natural hormonal levels to come back. None of the resesarch provided supports it, unless you make huge leaps of logic.

Tapering, for the most part, has been abandoned (*with good reason) by AAS users everywhere.