You don’t have to feed a gun or clean up it’s shit. Unless you blast someone, then you might want to call a close friend.
[quote]doc_man_101 wrote:
CCFan wrote:
doc_man_101 wrote:
No. I was comparing the figures per 100,000 people. And my memory was wrong. The factor isn’t 10. It’s 30. Thirty. Three-oh. [/quote]
What is your source?
Due to reporting differences the most reliable data available is the 2005/06 survey from both countries.
According to the Home Office http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0607.html
In 2005/06 the total number of violent offences in England and Wales was 2,420,000.
These include:
357,000 incidents of domestic violence
817,000 incidents where the offender was an acquaintance
863,000 incidents where the offender was a stranger
382,000 incidents of mugging
and http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/hosb1107.pdf
Number of violence against the person offences per 100,000 population
2005/06 - 1,970
By comparison the FBI shows http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses/violent_crime/index.html
An estimated 1,417,745 violent crimes occurred nationwide in 2006.
There were an estimated 473.5 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants.
Based on the information from the agencies responsible for consolidating and reporting the data, I’d say your perception is a bit skewed.
I want a desert eagle
what a beautiful weapon
On some stupid wording of the Firearms act in Canada, these Dlask versions of Remington 870s with 8.5 inch barrels are legal. Some guys have even made holsters for them, but since you can’t carry in Canada, its pretty useless. The spray out of an 8.5 inch barrel would be enough to fill your apartment. No aim required! haha
Just electrify your doorknob at night. That will really make them think twice after they get the shit shocked outta them.
[quote]CCFan wrote
What is your source?
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I was specifically talking (as I think I said) about deaths by firearm. A fairly good comparative source is the UN:
[though that is specifically recording homicide by firearm, p32]
Those stats are more up to date than others I had: the ratio rises to 1:100 or more.
And to answer a different query, yes, the stats also show that you’re more than twice as likely to get burgled in the UK as in the US. [My own hunch would be that this owes more to the fact that we incarcerate a far smaller proportion of the population than the US does, and so we have far too many thieves on the loose, but that’s a wholly different thread.]
If the total figures for violent crimes are more-or-less comparable, well, I guess we learn something from that, too.
I note in passing that the number of accidental gun deaths in the US is reported to be about 2% of the total. That means that in the US, you are about as likely to be the dead victim of an accidental shooting, as you are to be the dead victim of any kind of shooting in the UK.
I wouldn’t presume to tell other people how to run their country: it’s your democracy; you do whatever you like. I was attempting to explain part of the reason why most Europeans are “appalled” at the approach.
[I’m gonna be offline for the next two weeks - travelling in the US mid-west, as it happens, LOL 
- so I doubt I can contribute further to this debate.]
[quote]doc_man_101 wrote:
CCFan wrote
What is your source?
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Interesting, thanks for the link.
[quote]Diablo9845 wrote:
On some stupid wording of the Firearms act in Canada, these Dlask versions of Remington 870s with 8.5 inch barrels are legal. Some guys have even made holsters for them, but since you can’t carry in Canada, its pretty useless. The spray out of an 8.5 inch barrel would be enough to fill your apartment. No aim required! haha[/quote]
That thing is crazy!
[quote]football061 wrote:
Just electrify your doorknob at night. That will really make them think twice after they get the shit shocked outta them.[/quote]
Fucking fantastic. That made me laugh out loud.
[quote]koots wrote:
The Supreme Court is hearing a very key case right now about our American rights to bear arms. I have lived abroad for several years and can tell you that most of the rest of the civilized world finds it rather appalling that we can easily purchase guns in the US. I have to say in most cases I agree.
Come on, man, how often do you think someone breaks into another person’s house and the owner has the time or know-how to get his gun and shoot the intruder? You would have to keep a loaded gun located close at hand. All it takes is one child (or adult, for that matter) having an accident with a gun like this to make it not worthwhile to have this “right.”
I agree with Zap. Go buy a baseball bat.[/quote]
If you know how to do it what to do and when to do it, none of this is a problem.
I’m prepared and my kids are safe. My right to be safe and protect myself outweighs the possible accident stuff, which by knowing what I can do renders such accidents impossible.
But it’s not just me you would worry about, my 13 twin son and daughter both are fairly proficient in firearms.
And the rest of the world is so low on my care what they think because list it’s silly.
[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
doc_man_101 wrote:
CCFan wrote:
doc_man_101 wrote:
Last time I looked, you were about 10 times (yes, ten) more likely to suffer death from a firearm in the USA than in, say, England. That’s what appals most Europeans.
That’s because there are so many more people in the USA. Compare the violent crime statistics from the Home Office vs FBI per 100,000 people and you’ll see a much different picture.
No. I was comparing the figures per 100,000 people. And my memory was wrong. The factor isn’t 10. It’s 30. Thirty. Three-oh.
In other words: Welcome to England: Home Break In Capitol of the World.
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The problem is that England hasn’t had a Prime minister with a dick since Maggie Thatcher.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
agree with the rock salt shells. Also the .22 pistol is the murder weapon of choice, tap to the back of the head and the bullet will enter the skull but it will lose too much force to exit so it will bounce around in the brain ripping shit up. sounds like a good deal to me?[/quote]
Rock salt shells are a horrible idea. You don’t want to use a lethal weapon in a non lethal way. It opens you up to a whole big legal mess. If you can shoot, you can kill. You don’t shoot to wound, you shoot to stop.
Which might involve killing, but that’s the way it works.
[quote]xb100 wrote:
Benelli makes some good 12 gauge shotguns for home defense.
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That’s my brand, a 12 gauge super 90 with ghost ring sights.
[quote]doc_man_101 wrote:
CCFan wrote
What is your source?
I was specifically talking (as I think I said) about deaths by firearm. A fairly good comparative source is the UN:
[though that is specifically recording homicide by firearm, p32]
Those stats are more up to date than others I had: the ratio rises to 1:100 or more.
And to answer a different query, yes, the stats also show that you’re more than twice as likely to get burgled in the UK as in the US. [My own hunch would be that this owes more to the fact that we incarcerate a far smaller proportion of the population than the US does, and so we have far too many thieves on the loose, but that’s a wholly different thread.]
If the total figures for violent crimes are more-or-less comparable, well, I guess we learn something from that, too.
I note in passing that the number of accidental gun deaths in the US is reported to be about 2% of the total. That means that in the US, you are about as likely to be the dead victim of an accidental shooting, as you are to be the dead victim of any kind of shooting in the UK.
I wouldn’t presume to tell other people how to run their country: it’s your democracy; you do whatever you like. I was attempting to explain part of the reason why most Europeans are “appalled” at the approach.
[I’m gonna be offline for the next two weeks - travelling in the US mid-west, as it happens, LOL - so I doubt I can contribute further to this debate.]
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Since you are on the road, I’ll open my queries up to the “appalled” Europeans:
(1) If the “30 times more likely” to get killed by a firearm in the US than the UK includes criminal on criminal crime, who really cares? Good fucking riddance to the “victim”.
(2) How do the innocent aged, infirmed and women defend themselves in Europe? Or don’t they have the right?
[quote]doc_man_101 wrote:
CCFan wrote:
doc_man_101 wrote:
Last time I looked, you were about 10 times (yes, ten) more likely to suffer death from a firearm in the USA than in, say, England. That’s what appals most Europeans.
That’s because there are so many more people in the USA. Compare the violent crime statistics from the Home Office vs FBI per 100,000 people and you’ll see a much different picture.
No. I was comparing the figures per 100,000 people. And my memory was wrong. The factor isn’t 10. It’s 30. Thirty. Three-oh. [/quote]
You’re also 100% more likely to still have a monarch in England. Pathetic.
mike
[quote]Himora22 wrote:
So I have never been one to care weather or not I owned a gun. Never felt the need to, But yesterday someone tried to break in to my apt. luckily I was home at the time and scared the guy off. But now I feel like I need to get one, not for me so much as for my girlfriend who lives with me. I’m in the Army so I know how to use a gun and have no problem teaching her how to use one.
But it just pisses me off that now I have to go out and spend my money that I…!!!WORK FOR!!!.. b/c some mother fuck is too lazy to go out and work for his own shit. Unfortunately there is no self-defense law in NC so if you shoot and kill someone it is manslaughter and you go to jail. But I really dont care next…if there is a next time, I will shoot that mother fucker.[/quote]
Here’s my $.02, which may have already been said, but I stopped reading after a few responses. First off, I’m very sorry you and your girlfriend were put in such a bad situation as having someone break in your home. It’s never happened to me, but I’m sure you two are feeling angry and vulernable, hence the urge to buy a firearm for protection.
Now I’m a fan of owning firearms as much as anyone, but I feel that purchasing one reactively because of a traumatic event isn’t the best idea. I’m not going to tell you not to buy a gun, just don’t rush to buy one. Give it at least a week.
I guess the biggest reason why I’m saying this is because in your state there is no “castle doctrine” or whatever they call it these days. If you lived in my state where it is legal to defend your home, I’d say happy hunting. That’s not the case for you. Saying you’ll shoot the MF’er sounds like the right thing to say anyway, but what if it did happen? If you only injure him you’re not only looking at criminal charges, but who knows how much money in damages from the inevitable lawsuit from the intruder. Yes, that’s fucked up but it would happen.
Just give it a little time, that’s all.
Oh, if you do decide to get a gun, I’d go with a .38spl revolver. Idiot-proof, more than enough power to get the job done at 10-20 feet, and if you miss you’ll still blind the son-of-a-bitch from the muzzle blast.
[quote]Diablo9845 wrote:
On some stupid wording of the Firearms act in Canada, these Dlask versions of Remington 870s with 8.5 inch barrels are legal. Some guys have even made holsters for them, but since you can’t carry in Canada, its pretty useless. The spray out of an 8.5 inch barrel would be enough to fill your apartment. No aim required! haha[/quote]
That is awesome. I have a 12ga Mossberg with a pistol grip. How hard would it be for me to re-create this?
Why don’t you upgrade your apartments security instead?
Bars on windows, alarms etc.
Do you really want your gf grabbing a gun to defend herself? There’s pretty good odds that that’s going to get really bad for everyone involved.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Spry wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What about a baseball bat?
Sensible advice. I’d go for a cricket bat myself.
I have one of those too. And a pile of guns. With kids in the house my guns are locked up and I have other disgused weapons at hand. A cricket bat here, an axe handle there…
Owning a gun is serious business and it is possible it could get stolen when you are not home.
If you do decide to go ahead and buy one I suggest something simple to operate like a revolver for the GF.
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In the words of a Turtel…
“You have to know what a crumpet is be fore you can understan cricket”
[quote]Rattler wrote:
I want a desert eagle
what a beautiful weapon[/quote]
LOL great Avatar