Overweight & Testosterone Depleted

Training Over 35 Lifter
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[quote]KSman wrote:
Mark06C6 wrote:
Woody, nice to meet you!
Here was my situation 1 yr. 6 mo. ago…
BP, in Dr. office 165/120, weight 205, height 5’10"
Did not go on a diet but rather changed my eating habbits by cutting all softdrinks and beer, eating veggies almost every night with chicken and salmon, lean beef twice per week. cut out all fried food including fast food at lunch (went with leftovers from dinner and South Beach lunchs. Work out 5 days per week with freeweights and bowflex.

Now weight is 167, BP 125/80ish most of the time, now here is the strange part… You would think all that good stuff and I should be feeling like million bucks, well, wrong. I have for the last 7 months felt like crap, no energy, no sex drive. Went and saw my wife ( Urologist ) she ran blood tests and found my test was 180, So she sent me to an Endo doc buddy of hers and about the only thing that was not too low was my thyroid.

Now I am on injectable test for 1 month and I feel like 1/2 million bucks, but more each day. Go see an endocrinologist!

Many doctors are not good at TRT and many are. Same for endos. Some endo’s will not even check E2 levels. So an endo is not a garantee of proper TRT care at all. And some endo’s are simply difficult to deal with because of their case loads and waiting lists. The right doctor is enthusiastic about TRT and current research and improvements. For many, finding the right doctor is difficult.

Again, testosterone alone is a poor prospect for a good outcome. The beginning is aways sweet, but things don’t stay that way. You need to be concerned with E2 levels.[/quote]

Also if you look at the quote above from KSman, he basically says the same thing I said…that TRT does not always work and may not keep test levels elevated for a long period of time.

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[quote]andreisdaman wrote:
KNB wrote:
andreisdaman wrote:
xxbulldogxx wrote:
I’m not getting any feedback so I’m going to share my ideas on what I should do and what I would like to do.

I want to start with mostly cardio and some kind of circuit training. I haven’t dieted in many years so I think thats going to be the hardest part for me. Any help in choosing a diet is a huge plus.

Also I have done 2 cycles in the mid 80’s while in the USMC and got great results. Would that be something to think about doing now or should I hold off on that? My T levels are low so the Dr has me on Testim 1% and from what I have read it takes about 6 months to get your levels up. I would like to get them up faster than that if I could. Would a cycle be the answer or not?

Also when it comes to supplements. Should I be using some type of protein or something and how bad are energy drinks for someone with high blood pressure? I have very little energy and every little bit of help in that department would be great. I hope this helps explain what I am looking for better than my last post.

In my opinion, we spend a lot of time qas older men looking for that magic bullet which will make us feel younger, stronger and perform in bed better…I personally would stay away from taking anything having to do with drugs or other stuff such as Hormone therapy and just focus on working out…don’t worry too much about diet yet…just get into the gym and workout regularly… at least every two days, or every three days if you have trouble with recovery…this in and of itself will begin to boost your test levels and will make you feel stronger, younger and more aggressive…it will also make you harder in the pants and will help you with any ED or libido problems…this is what I have done and I found it works best for me and helps me with my confidence in and out of bed because I am in control of my body and not relying on any drugs or test replacement therapy which could become a psychological crutch…I think we as older men have got to change the ways in which we have sex and we will function better…we have to realize we are not twenty any more which means we may need longer to get aroused, and then once aroused, we have to strike quickly while the iron is hot, so to speak, because we aren’t able to maintain our erections for long periods of time…also we have to get our women more involved in getting us aroused since we can’t just get it up at will like we used to…women become notoriously lazy as the years go by and maybe we as older men need to make then get more active in getting us to the point where we can perform at an optimal level…so get back in the gym, every two days if you can, and eliminate as much sugar as you can…along with some cardio, that’s all you really need to do.

Hey, wait a minute! No offense here, but if you’re not a doctor please don’t give anyone such bad advise. I am guessing you haven’t done sufficient research on TRT/HRT or you wouldn’t say such things.
You may be one of the “lucky ones” and get something that resembles resultsfrom working out. Most don’t. I just changed my mind, I’m not going to challenge your ignorance. Instead, I suggest you read everything by KSman and get the education you so desperately need to not fowl up the life of someone who can can once again flourish from “…drugs or other stuff such as hormone replacement therapy…”.
I give up.

Hey…I’m not a doctor but hold on here a sec…all I did was offer an opinion…that’s all…I never said I was a doctor…I really thought you guys on here were pretty cool and pretty liberal…since when is it not okay to offer a contrary opinion?..what I was saying is that this is what worked for me…maybe you might want to give it a try before going straight for HRT…I didn’t put any one down… all I did was say beware of depending on something as a cure-all lest it become a psychological crutch or become a crushing disappointment…HRT doesn’t work for everyone either…I don’t understand how I am “fowling up someone’s life” by offering an opinion…or another option…what happens when you stop HRT?..it’s only going to be a temporary fix…what if you have no insurance to pay for HRT?..what I am saying is I am like you…I was having problems with ED…low libido…lack of energy…all of that stuff…and that the exercise worked for me…my doctor recommended that I go on HRT also (T-Level was 230)…I refused because I wanted to maintain control of my body and try to fix things on my own…since I began eating a little better (more salads, fruits, nuts, etc)cutting out lots of sugar and exercizing five days a week, I have been harder in the pants, able to work out frequently without getting tired, gained muscle,strength, and aggressiveness, and banging my wife 5-6 times a month up from 1-2…yes I agree with you guys that exercise doesn’t work all the time…but HRT doesn’t work all the time either…and my confidence is through the roof!..it wasn’t my intent to offend any one…if I were in my fifties I may have considered HRT, but I am still in my 40’s and wanted to to maintain my independence from being in therapy and being led around by dopey doctors who don’t know my body as well as I do
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A-man,
I wasn’t trying to be rude, and most guys on here are cool, and open minded, and knowledgeable too. You have to realize there’s always that one guy that hasn’t done his own research, reads a post that doesn’t follow the rest and takes the advice to his own demise.

I agree that by changing your diet and exercise you may have created better blood flow “everywhere”. I also have read KSman’s post and he says that HRT by itself doesn’t always work. But if the three legged stool approach is used; Test, HCG, and an AI, most guys guys have and keep a life positive changing experience. I did say most, not all.

Maybe you’ve lost weight, maybe your body is working better, and maybe because you feel better you’re chasing the wife more. Feeling more “manly” is always good for the ego. I am a positive example of how life changing getting on HRT can be.

Anybody that starts on HRT, KNOWS it’s a life long deal and if they have a great doctor they can also lower their cholesterol, maintain bone density, increase the strength of their heart, and possibly lower or eliminate their chances of developing Alzheimer’s too.

HRT using injectables is $50.00 for a 10 to 20 week prescription, and $17.00 for a 80 day supply of HCG, and $60.00 for a 60 week supply of Liquid Adex. That’s less than $5.00 a week for most guys, so cost isn’t a huge deal when you break it down by the week.

I am glad there are guys (you) that have resolved their problems without using a doctor, and I hope you stay healthy too. But for guys like me, doctors are gifts from God.

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[quote]andreisdaman wrote:

In my opinion, we spend a lot of time qas older men looking for that magic bullet which will make us feel younger, stronger and perform in bed better…I personally would stay away from taking anything having to do with drugs or other stuff such as Hormone therapy and just focus on working out…don’t worry too much about diet yet…just get into the gym and workout regularly… at least every two days, or every three days if you have trouble with recovery…this in and of itself will begin to boost your test levels and will make you feel stronger, younger and more aggressive…it will also make you harder in the pants and will help you with any ED or libido problems…this is what I have done and I found it works best for me and helps me with my confidence in and out of bed because I am in control of my body and not relying on any drugs or test replacement therapy which could become a psychological crutch…I think we as older men have got to change the ways in which we have sex and we will function better…we have to realize we are not twenty any more which means we may need longer to get aroused, and then once aroused, we have to strike quickly while the iron is hot, so to speak, because we aren’t able to maintain our erections for long periods of time…also we have to get our women more involved in getting us aroused since we can’t just get it up at will like we used to…women become notoriously lazy as the years go by and maybe we as older men need to make then get more active in getting us to the point where we can perform at an optimal level…so get back in the gym, every two days if you can, and eliminate as much sugar as you can…along with some cardio, that’s all you really need to do.

Hey, wait a minute! No offense here, but if you’re not a doctor please don’t give anyone such bad advise. I am guessing you haven’t done sufficient research on TRT/HRT or you wouldn’t say such things.
You may be one of the “lucky ones” and get something that resembles resultsfrom working out. Most don’t. I just changed my mind, I’m not going to challenge your ignorance. Instead, I suggest you read everything by KSman and get the education you so desperately need to not fowl up the life of someone who can can once again flourish from “…drugs or other stuff such as hormone replacement therapy…”.
I give up.

Hey…I’m not a doctor but hold on here a sec…all I did was offer an opinion…that’s all…I never said I was a doctor…I really thought you guys on here were pretty cool and pretty liberal…since when is it not okay to offer a contrary opinion?..what I was saying is that this is what worked for me…maybe you might want to give it a try before going straight for HRT…I didn’t put any one down… all I did was say beware of depending on something as a cure-all lest it become a psychological crutch or become a crushing disappointment…HRT doesn’t work for everyone either…I don’t understand how I am “fowling up someone’s life” by offering an opinion…or another option…what happens when you stop HRT?..it’s only going to be a temporary fix…what if you have no insurance to pay for HRT?..what I am saying is I am like you…I was having problems with ED…low libido…lack of energy…all of that stuff…and that the exercise worked for me…my doctor recommended that I go on HRT also (T-Level was 230)…I refused because I wanted to maintain control of my body and try to fix things on my own…since I began eating a little better (more salads, fruits, nuts, etc)cutting out lots of sugar and exercizing five days a week, I have been harder in the pants, able to work out frequently without getting tired, gained muscle,strength, and aggressiveness, and banging my wife 5-6 times a month up from 1-2…yes I agree with you guys that exercise doesn’t work all the time…but HRT doesn’t work all the time either…and my confidence is through the roof!..it wasn’t my intent to offend any one…if I were in my fifties I may have considered HRT, but I am still in my 40’s and wanted to to maintain my independence from being in therapy and being led around by dopey doctors who don’t know my body as well as I do
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No one took offense to anything you said… but what you mostly said, or what was heard the loudest, was not your opinion of how one should go about helping themselves, but about how we need to accept that we are slowing down in our old age and our women are sexually lazy.

Firstly, most of us here are already veteran trainers, nutritionists and otherwise healthy lifestyle enthusiasts. In spite of this, our test is low, causing our dicks not to work properly, and making us borderline depressed.

I myself, would rather try a means less reliant on syringes and pills, but when all else is exhausted - am I going to accept the fact that at 37 years old I rarely feel the urge to fuck my wife? Nope. I’d rather be slave to a syringe.

Secondly, HRT becomes your lifestyle - it’s not something you quit once you get “better”. HRT may not work for everyone, but I guarantee the success rate is markedly more than natural means - in fact, exercise and diet should be a baseline and foundation for HRT.

The populace that contributes here can mostly take exercise and healthy living for granted when discussing HRT. I agree with you, however, that a completely sedentary lard ass on the brink of heart failure should change lifestyles first.

-Al

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I’d just like to comment on some of the misinformation presented here.

Exercise does not increase testosterone production. Measured testosterone levels will be slightly elevated post exercise due to a lowering of blood plasma volume and the inhibition of metabolic testosterone clearing. The higher level is not due to increased testosterone production. Exercise has many direct benefits, but increased testosterone production is not one of them.

This is monumentally bad advice for anyone, let alone someone who is “Overweight & testosterone depleted.” Fat produces estradiol and aromatase and so reducing body fat is probably the number one best thing that all men can do to “naturally” increase their testosterone levels.

The philosophy of TRT is for each man to decide for himself, but only a fool looks for magic bullets, so please don’t include me in the “we as older men” category. I’ve spent an extraordinary amount of time an effort educating myself about TRT and my approach to it is anything but foolish.

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Perhaps everyone is through with this subject. Well OK. I’ll put in a few late words. The balance that I have achieved since last April when I started with the nutritionist/Md has changed my physical well being dramatically. I do not really care when I kick the bucket as long as it is fast. In the meantime I have to function to make a living and enjoy life a bit more than I have been. Finally I attribute my gains to training, diet, nutrition, TRT & a healthy life style and mind set. Are we having fun yet?